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[brad hibbard]

2007 604 with new GM bow-tie heads---- new rockers---new pistons

complete rebuild/GM blueprint with all GM parts

100% legal in any series--Guaranteed in writing by Race-1

FASTRAK seals

0 laps since rebuild but was broke-in on the dyno

as it comes from GM $6500

we can ad accessories if you want

call Brad at 330-540-7223
or contact thru website at www.race-1.com

ENGINE is SOLD-----I will let the Legend flap his jaw a little more before I let him know but i figured anyone really looking will look at the first post.

thanks for the calls and comments

Brad

Edited by brad hibbard, 16 January 2014 - 02:45 PM.

[tdietz10]

If this is a used engine what makes it worth more than a new one?

[The Legend]

If this is a used engine what makes it worth more than a new one?

I was thinking the same thing lol

[brad hibbard]

If this is a used engine what makes it worth more than a new one?

its not a used engine------the "used" parts are the block crank and rods----and they were of a premium pick

the heads rockers and pistons are brand new----$3000 value

rings-- bearings-- T-set--lifters--gaskets--seals----another $1000

we charge $2350 labor for a GM blueprint

we charge $500 for dyno service

that adds up to $6850 and that is giving you the block crank and rods for free

hope that helps
Brad

[j20000]

its not a used engine------the "used" parts are the block crank and rods----and they were of a premium pick

the heads rockers and pistons are brand new----$3000 value

rings-- bearings-- T-set--lifters--gaskets--seals----another $1000

we charge $2350 labor for a GM blueprint

we charge $500 for dyno service

that adds up to $6850 and that is giving you the block crank and rods for free

hope that helps
Brad

What's the benefit of this over a brand new $5500 engine? We've been told time and time again that there is no benefit to these "blueprinted" motors, but there must be some benefit, or no engine builder would tie up more in the motor than a new one is worth. This is an honest question...not trying to be a smartass.

[racer777]

This is what's wrong with crate racing.paying more for used than new.also why fastrack didn't renew some engine builders contracts this year. Tearing new engines apart and matching closer tolerance parts gives more hp to one expensive motor,and then sell less toleranced motor for new price.buying that motor now your gonna have less hp than an original new.money racket and bullshit.there should be no rebuilt motors.gm only.

[tdietz10]

so if this is a used engine i wonder what a new one cost to be done??? 5500+2350+500+beehive springs?? 500, no wonder I couldn't keep up with me 5500$ engine, not to mention a 1000 carb to run some exotic fuel that shouldn't be allowed through my 1000 beyeas

[tdietz10]

They should be allowed to rebuild the motors, but they shouldn't take advantage of the racers and charge a ridiculous price because they are the only ones who can do it, these rebuild prices are crazy and I think way over priced for a very simple engine rebuild.

[racer777]

They should be allowed to rebuild the motors, but they shouldn't take advantage of the racers and charge a ridiculous price because they are the only ones who can do it, these rebuild prices are crazy and I think way over priced for a very simple engine rebuild.

Agreed,but they shouldn't be allowed to tear a perfectly good brand new or (used cuz it was on dyno) engine apart.

[brad hibbard]

What's the benefit of this over a brand new $5500 engine? We've been told time and time again that there is no benefit to these "blueprinted" motors, but there must be some benefit, or no engine builder would tie up more in the motor than a new one is worth. This is an honest question...not trying to be a smartass.

perfectly good question Justin,

in most cases there is no noticable difference in power-----we do make sure that everything has the proper clearance to add to the dependability--------there are engines that may have 1 weak lifter or 1 valve that leaks----and when we are talking 50HP per cylinder losing even 25% from 1 cylinder is 10 horse-----thats not the normal but its not rare either

as for the engine we have for sale ----I came across a great 07 block,crank and rods----decided to put new pistons at a cost of $800 and the normal rebuild parts but had no heads or rockers-----since the bottom end is like new I decided to put new heads and rockers on it rather than some old overheated junk from the shelf----the parts bill is a little high but in the end its a really good piece and the final price was derived from our normal charges compared to a new engine sale which I will out line below-----I think its more than fair

1st of all new engines have been $5675 for the last 5 months and they just went up another $50 jan1st----we are going to do our best to get back to the $5675 despite the current increase at GM but for now they are $5725

2nd----new engine prep can be done by anyone and we will help anyone with this task for free should they choose to do it themselves , however most choose to pay us to do it for them----the charge is $300

3rd----break-in is critical on a 604 and the best way to accomplish this is in a controled atmosphere such as a dyno
we charge $500 for this service which includes Joe Gibbs Oil and Wix oil filter

new engine ordered today with prep and break-in ----$6525 (not blueprinted)

thanks for asking Justin----I don't mind explaining

Brad

[brad hibbard]

They should be allowed to rebuild the motors, but they shouldn't take advantage of the racers and charge a ridiculous price because they are the only ones who can do it, these rebuild prices are crazy and I think way over priced for a very simple engine rebuild.

Tyler,
you say engine builders are taking advantage of the racer------

do you realize the time it takes to check every component in an engine just to make sure that its legal?

I am not talking about the rebuild, cleaning, machineing anything else just the checking------this does not have to be done to an open engine of any sort-----we have to meet the specs in every aspect

this takes tme---alot of time

Brad

[racer777]

as for the engine we have for sale ----I came across a great 07 block,crank and rods----decided to put new pistons at a cost of $800 and the normal rebuild parts but had no heads or rockers-----since the bottom end is like new I decided to put new heads and rockers on it rather than some old overheated junk from the shelf----the parts bill is a little high but in the end its a really good piece and the final price was derived from our normal charges compared to a new engine sale which I will out line below-----I think its more than fair $800. Pistons ? Aren't oem hypertentic pistons ? That are $350. A set with rings ? Why are high dollar pistons even allowed ?! I understand your trying to run a business , and its for reliability purposes, but a rebuilt motor shouldn't be better than a new one.it should be equal playin field.its no secret forged pistons will take more timing . I'm not knocking what your doing,you gotta eat too.but this is a flaw in the system and you being a major voice to fastrack is the only way us real budget racers can be heard.the whole concept was for an even playing field motor wise.it still boils down to who has the deepest pockets.

[brad hibbard]

GM part# for a 604 piston is 10159436 and costs $101.26 each yes they are hyperutectic pistons and yes they are overpriced but that is what we HAVE to use to keep the engines all equal and legal I see where some folks think the engine builder is overcharging ----its an area like this where a parts price comparison is made with the aftermarket industry again----we HAVE to use GM specific parts not aftermarket and not any GM # ---the correct part hope that helps Brad

[racer777]

GM part# for a 604 piston is 10159436 and costs $101.26 each

yes they are hyperutectic pistons and yes they are overpriced but that is what we HAVE to use to keep the engines all equal and legal

I see where some folks think the engine builder is overcharging ----its an area like this where a parts price comparison is made with the aftermarket industry

again----we HAVE to use GM specific parts not aftermarket and not any GM # ---the correct part

hope that helps
Brad

Thank you for the clarification !

[The Legend]

GM part# for a 604 piston is 10159436 and costs $101.26 each

yes they are hyperutectic pistons and yes they are overpriced but that is what we HAVE to use to keep the engines all equal and legal

I see where some folks think the engine builder is overcharging ----its an area like this where a parts price comparison is made with the aftermarket industry

again----we HAVE to use GM specific parts not aftermarket and not any GM # ---the correct part

hope that helps
Brad

If those junk pistons are really a hundred dollars each you should allow aftermarket Srp pistons at 400 a damn set

[racer777]

If those junk pistons are really a hundred dollars each you should allow aftermarket Srp pistons at 400 a damn set

Damn right

[brad hibbard]

Now look at how quick you two guys jumped to the other side and want to build a "better" engine just because the aftermarket piston is cheaper if that became an acceptable rule ---we would have everyone wanting to change pistons in their new engine we HAVE to stick to the GM parts and dimensions period. I'm thankful this discussion happened---it hopefully has shed some light on rebuild prices that some folks did not understand Brad

[The Legend]

Don't allow rebuilds then , it doesn't even make sense to rebuild at that point

[brad hibbard]

Don't allow rebuilds then , it doesn't even make sense to rebuild at that point

as a promoter of crate racing i am not totally against that concept John----but here is the hitch

what do you do with the guy that has a simple problem?
leaking intake
blown head gasket
rocker arm came off and lifter fell out (Very Common)
etc
etc

do you make them buy a new $6000 engine everytime they have a little mishap?

I don't have the answers----we just try to do our best work---stay 100% legal and be as fair as we can on price

Brad

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