43 replies to this topic

[Paul55]

GM part# for a 604 piston is 10159436 and costs $101.26 each

yes they are hyperutectic pistons and yes they are overpriced but that is what we HAVE to use to keep the engines all equal and legal

I see where some folks think the engine builder is overcharging ----its an area like this where a parts price comparison is made with the aftermarket industry

again----we HAVE to use GM specific parts not aftermarket and not any GM # ---the correct part

hope that helps
Brad

What if someone was to bring u gm parts to put in the motor would it still cost the same for a rebuild? Like say I get my buddy that works at gm get me all my piston rods and so on at cost and bring them to u does the price of the rebuild drop way down?

[Dandyjr19]

I just want all the racetracks , announcers, pr people to quit saying the engines are $5600 when most are in fact not.

[brad hibbard]

What if someone was to bring u gm parts to put in the motor would it still cost the same for a rebuild? Like say I get my buddy that works at gm get me all my piston rods and so on at cost and bring them to u does the price of the rebuild drop way down?

absolutely Paul-----but keep in mind they have to be the correct parts

I actually appreciate it when a guy brings his own parts----that way I don't have my money tied up in parts----we don't make any money to speak of on the GM parts they are already WAY to high and to mark them up anymore would be insane

Brad

[K.H.]

$5,524.99 Speedway Motors

[K.H.]

$5,524.99 Speedway Motors

[brad hibbard]

$5,524.99 Speedway Motors

$250 shipping----we are free shipping

we have people that watch the market daily and I brought that to their attention a few months back-----its within a few dollars everywhere just different people market it different ways

[racer777]

Now look at how quick you two guys jumped to the other side and want to build a "better" engine just because the aftermarket piston is cheaper

if that became an acceptable rule ---we would have everyone wanting to change pistons in their new engine

we HAVE to stick to the GM parts and dimensions period.

I'm thankful this discussion happened---it hopefully has shed some light on rebuild prices that some folks did not understand

Brad

A speedpro hypertentic piston and rings is around $350. That's a viable option.no advantage at all running same style.just makes me sick to see these engines that high in price.a normal rotating assembly for this motor is only around $1200. So to spend $6-8 k is wack.

[The Legend]

A speedpro hypertentic piston and rings is around $350. That's a viable option.no advantage at all running same style.just makes me sick to see these engines that high in price.a normal rotating assembly for this motor is only around $1200. So to spend $6-8 k is wack.

Sounds to me like GM and the rebuilders are Pounding out people's "2" holes on replacement parts ... I don't believe for a second the rebuilders are paying 102 dollars for a 30 dollar piston ...

[The Legend]

Just so everyone knows these guys are charging you Jack Cornett money to work on these pieces of shit. It's absolutely beyond the pail absurd. Yes the same Jack Cornett who is the umpteen time Lucas oil engine builder of the year ....

[tdietz10]

Exactly, and all you have to do to these motors is change the parts I just redid a 604 that had a bad head, bought used bare heads that needed shaved and were no longer legal new rings bearings valves gaskets cam bearings new valve springs and seals and I had 2100$ in it total, counting buying the broken motor and the new heads were rebuilt by a engine builder and I used all the 604 parts gm parts and paid someone to build it, 2100!

[Parocket]

This motor is still cheaper than an Jack Cornett motor and you can still go out and have one hell of a good time racing in the area with it. Trust me I bought a "cheap" open motor had alomst $15k into it and it went boom...wish I would have not left crates. Or of course you can buy a Jack motor and run oh about 15th place the legend. I seen this motor listed and thought it was right on the money. If i don't get a sponsor deal from a local GM dealer I'll be at Race 1 buying in on his deal. I'll run the motor 3 years just changing the oil every 5 races and have a good time..maybe win one or two.

[K.H.]

This motor is still cheaper than an Jack Cornett motor and you can still go out and have one hell of a good time racing in the area with it.
Trust me I bought a "cheap" open motor had alomst $15k into it and it went boom...wish I would have not left crates.

Or of course you can buy a Jack motor and run oh about 15th place the legend.

I seen this motor listed and thought it was right on the money. If i don't get a sponsor deal from a local GM dealer I'll be at Race 1 buying in on his deal.
I'll run the motor 3 years just changing the oil every 5 races and have a good time..maybe win one or two.

How much more power will this motor have over a new 604? What can I do to a new or used 604 to reach this power level?

[The Legend]

This motor is still cheaper than an Jack Cornett motor and you can still go out and have one hell of a good time racing in the area with it.
Trust me I bought a "cheap" open motor had alomst $15k into it and it went boom...wish I would have not left crates.

Or of course you can buy a Jack motor and run oh about 15th place the legend.

I seen this motor listed and thought it was right on the money. If i don't get a sponsor deal from a local GM dealer I'll be at Race 1 buying in on his deal.
I'll run the motor 3 years just changing the oil every 5 races and have a good time..maybe win one or two.

Maybe a little bit of reading comprehension on your part .... The block on the Cornett is more expensive than the entire 604 clearly I'm aware of that ... What I'm saying is this guy is charging you Jack Cornett labor rates to work on a crate motor .... Almost 3k in labor .... On a motor that costs 5500 new ....

[The Legend]

This motor is still cheaper than an Jack Cornett motor and you can still go out and have one hell of a good time racing in the area with it.
Trust me I bought a "cheap" open motor had alomst $15k into it and it went boom...wish I would have not left crates.

Or of course you can buy a Jack motor and run oh about 15th place the legend.

I seen this motor listed and thought it was right on the money. If i don't get a sponsor deal from a local GM dealer I'll be at Race 1 buying in on his deal.
I'll run the motor 3 years just changing the oil every 5 races and have a good time..maybe win one or two.

The fact that you bought someone's junk motor and your not educated well enough on its proper use and not blew up is not relevant to the crate rebuilding scam

[Parocket]

Maybe a little bit of reading comprehension on your part .... The block on the Cornett is more expensive than the entire 604 clearly I'm aware of that ... What I'm saying is this guy is charging you Jack Cornett labor rates to work on a crate motor .... Almost 3k in labor .... On a motor that costs 5500 new ....

Labor is labor dumbass. Your a LABORER do you charge a different hourly rate to build a 5x6 porch as a 10x16?
Both motors have 8 pistons, 8 rods, takes the same tools to put together.
Race -1 is the Cornett of crates.

Edited by Parocket, 15 January 2014 - 08:56 AM.

[stiveyss]

Labor is labor dumbass. Your a LABORER do you charge a different hourly rate to build a 5x6 porch as a 10x16?
Both motors have 8 pistons, 8 rods, takes the same tools to put together.
Race -1 is the Cornett of crates.

HI GUYS, THIS IS JUST A WASTE OF TIME. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE PRICE ,GO SOMEWHERE ELSE . NO NEED TO FIGHT OVER THIS CHILDISH ISSUE. AND THIS IS THE AD SECTION ANYWAY. JUST GIVING SOME ADVISE FROM A OLD TIMER , HAVE A GOOD DAY

[The Legend]

HI GUYS, THIS IS JUST A WASTE OF TIME. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE PRICE ,GO SOMEWHERE ELSE . NO NEED TO FIGHT OVER THIS CHILDISH ISSUE. AND THIS IS THE AD SECTION ANYWAY. JUST GIVING SOME ADVISE FROM A OLD TIMER , HAVE A GOOD DAY

Yes he's the Cornett of unmodified bone stock 400hp shit boxes... So I guess I can be the Chris " devil of rahmadi " Kyle of snipers that have never fired a sniper rifle ....

[brad hibbard]

Just so everyone knows these guys are charging you Jack Cornett money to work on these pieces of shit. It's absolutely beyond the pail absurd. Yes the same Jack Cornett who is the umpteen time Lucas oil engine builder of the year ....

Really John?
I thought we were having an intellegent, productive conversation and you run off with accusations and insults without really knowing anything about the program----did you check the price of a piston before calling me a liar?

do you have any idea what so ever the amount of time that goes into a "legal" crate engine not that BS that dietz is trying to portray but a truely legal engine.

Brad

[The Legend]

Really John?
I thought we were having an intellegent, productive conversation and you run off with accusations and insults without really knowing anything about the program----did you check the price of a piston before calling me a liar?

do you have any idea what so ever the amount of time that goes into a "legal" crate engine not that BS that dietz is trying to portray but a truely legal engine.

Brad

Brad if you are not allowed to modify anything as per the rules what exactly takes soo much time ?? You mention the possibility a valve may not be sealed correctly ... And that takes how long to diagnose / correct ... 15 minutes ?? I thought these motors were supposed to remain stock ??? I understand there are manufacturing tolerances but that means parts on the high and low end are all within spec. If you are coming across stock parts that don't fit the parameters then clearly the parameters need changed or GM needs to change suppliers .. What you are doing isn't dyno testing it's breaking it in , within the rules you can only change carb settings and timing right ? And with every engine being the same you should have those settings down after the first engine ...

[brad hibbard]

Brad if you are not allowed to modify anything as per the rules what exactly takes soo much time ?? You mention the possibility a valve may not be sealed correctly ... And that takes how long to diagnose / correct ... 15 minutes ?? I thought these motors were supposed to remain stock ??? I understand there are manufacturing tolerances but that means parts on the high and low end are all within spec. If you are coming across stock parts that don't fit the parameters then clearly the parameters need changed or GM needs to change suppliers .. What you are doing isn't dyno testing it's breaking it in , within the rules you can only change carb settings and timing right ? And with every engine being the same you should have those settings down after the first engine ...

John,
your knowledge of rebuilding crate engines is very similar to mine would be of deck building...........

I don't see why a deck builder couldn't build 3 decks in a day-----all he needs is a circular saw from harbor freight that costs about $40 and one of their real good nail guns at about $80 and a compressor that's about $60 so your less than $200 in brand new tools to do the work

now go to any Home Depot or Lowes and buy all the treated 2X6's they have and a big box of nails so we have plenty of inventory

now all we have to do is lay some boards cross ways on the ground where the customer wants the deck and build a perimeter to the actual size then cut the 2X6's to what ever length and nail them down---heck you really don't even need a tape measure

I think I could easily do 3 of those a day and I have never built a deck.

Brad