Posted 26 July 2016 - 08:09 PM
So Yoder won and Satterlee flipped? Then that means that he went out in a blaze of glory and not leaving the track before the track early after spinning around like a top all night. Glad to see he is running better.
Edited by racepace, 26 July 2016 - 08:11 PM.
Posted 26 July 2016 - 09:33 PM
Posted 27 July 2016 - 12:04 AM
Edited by fastforward1, 27 July 2016 - 12:14 AM.
Posted 27 July 2016 - 08:19 AM
haven't you beat this topic enough.....wow!!!
Posted 27 July 2016 - 11:23 AM
You missed the point entirely. One comment was made about the guy spinning out 6 times at a track and noe you manage to weave it around as someone not liking his family? And as far as beating anybody that I know, I couldn't imagine him beating no one if he ran like he did at Stateline when he is forced to run legal!
Posted 27 July 2016 - 02:54 PM
From the above comments about some fighting and not fighting it it being reputation:
There is way more at stake than reputations. The monies they won at the various WRG races will not get paid as well --- plus the fines the were hit with.
From the Dream:
All five have been disqualified from the event, including the loss of all purse money and championship points earned during the event, fined $1,000 and penalized 1,000 DIRTcar Late Model points for the 2016 season. The total penalty, including loss of money, fine and the cost of the tire analysis was $19,630 for Sheppard, $4,655 for Satterlee, $7,630 for Owens, $10,930 for Thornton and $6,105 for Bloomquist.
And then Bloomquist won the Firecracker 100 and that was a WRG race so I believe they held is $30,000 check from that race as well.
So I think these guys have a little more at stake than their reputation.
Posted 27 July 2016 - 03:23 PM
Very good post. You know how it is with some people though, no matter how many times a person gets caught being underweight, doping tires, missing drivers meetings, body modifications, etc. there will always be somebody in denial.1 driver has lost about $150,000 just from underweight violations and people still grasp at straws trying to blame it on somebody else when you would think after most normal peoples 1st race ever that they would know how much the car needs to weigh.
Posted 27 July 2016 - 04:14 PM
Posted 27 July 2016 - 05:14 PM
Seems like some people don't understand that these sanctioning groups WOO, UMP, LUCAS and a number of regional series test tires at every race. The top 3 cars get tested sometimes top 5, then random test through out the field in addition to the top cars. Most use the same lab. The technology used is MASS GAS SPECTROMETER ANALYSIS. So to say that all that these drivers have accomplshished is because of doped tires is ludicris. This wasn't surprise pop up random test. They do it all the time. All those drivers have been checked before and passed. This time it just didn't go so well for them for what ever reason you want do believe.
Posted 27 July 2016 - 05:28 PM
Again I'll say it. How many times has Bloomquist been caught doing something ? Tires, Weight, and whatever else he has been hit for. People keep talking about reputations and yet the first driver's name you will hear about is Bloomquist. Is HE going to be there, or is he this or is he that. STOP. Individuals are making comments toward the 22 team that has no merit whatsoever. Nobody has a clue to what is going on in those meetings with WGR. Yet if you look at some of the posts, well I heard this and I heard that. Yep makes sense to me. Does anyone think that Bloomquist cares what anyone thinks of him ? Well maybe the Saterlee family does and they want to get it cleared. If so, good for them.
O boy ! Bloomer (lol) needs his back scratched. Yea his reputation is really hurting. His tee shirt sales alone proves that.........The guy can wheel a car and I to enjoy watching him and others putting on a good show.
Posted 27 July 2016 - 06:10 PM
I guess what I'm saying is for all the people calling them cheaters because the lab doesn't get it wrong.... Can't say they have been cheating the whole time because in the past the lab said they were clean. Therefore no they haven't been cheating the whole time.
Posted 27 July 2016 - 06:31 PM
Posted 27 July 2016 - 06:48 PM
Hovlane, very good posts!! These drivers failed a test and are paying for it but they have passed hundreds of these same tests. They wanted an edge and made a mistake.
Remember most people on this board haven't been to a race outside Thunder Mtn, Dog Hollow, MC, or The Bird and probably have no clue how things are run. If they think this is going to ruin Bloomer's legacy then I've got some bad news, lol. For the other guys we will all forget about it soon enough, probably around Sept 13th.
Ya that's becoming pretty clear to me. I don't even know why I happened to even look at this forum. I won't even attempt to explain that not meeting the benchmark vs. cheating concept. lol
There are a number of things that can happen to cause a tire sample to not meet the benchmark for tire testing one of which is cheating. The rule is written to benchmark test only. So it doesn't matter if they soaked the tire or if it's a production issue with Hoosier it's a violation of the rule. That's why the World Racing Group the Parent company of Dirtcar, UMP the WOO won't say that they cheated only that the tire samples don't meet the benchmark. There is no way that WRG can determine if a person cheated or something else happened, that's why the rule is written the way it is. It meets the benchmark or it doesn't how it got that way doesn't matter.
That's the problem with tire testing, it's the only way to catch tire doping but you also get other cases that aren't but until they find a better way this is what everybody has to live with.
Edited by Hovlane, 27 July 2016 - 07:19 PM.
Posted 27 July 2016 - 07:18 PM
Ya that's becoming pretty clear to me. I don't even know why I happened to even look at this forum. I won't even attempt to explain that not meeting the benchmark vs. cheating concept. lol
There are a number of things that can happen to cause a tire sample to not meet the benchmark for tire testing one of which is cheating. The rule is written to benchmark test only. So it doesn't matter if they soaked the tire or if it's a production issue with Hoosier it's a violation of the rule. That's why the World Racing Group the Parent company of Dirtcar, UMP the WOO won't say that they cheated only that the tire samples don't meet the benchmark. There is no way that WRG can determine if a person cheated or something else happened, that's why the rule is written the way it is. It meets the benchmark or it doesn't how it got that way doesn't matter.
Good point.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
Posted 27 July 2016 - 07:40 PM
Oh and one more thing a doped tire might take a 3rd place car and make it a 2nd or 1st place car. If you're a backmarker and you dope your tires your still going to be a backmarker If your a front runner your still a front runner. The advantage is not that great.
Posted 27 July 2016 - 07:50 PM
Not so. Its more of an advantage than that. Now that statement would be true for traction control but not doped up tires.
Posted 27 July 2016 - 08:41 PM
Not so. Its more of an advantage than that. Now that statement would be true for traction control but not doped up tires.
I agree. With a series or a track that mandates a single hard compound tire doping is a huge advantage. If you have multiple compounds to choose from not so much. Just my opinion. I guess I should have been more clear but I can agree with your point.
Posted 27 July 2016 - 08:51 PM
I'm wondering when the next big bad Boogie man is going to show up? First it was traction control, now it's tires, What's The next Boogie man? I'm losing to traction control, I'm losing to doped tires. I'm losing to ??????? Gotta love racin it's always the same story line.
Posted 27 July 2016 - 09:31 PM
There was an article in Stock Car Racing magazine a while back that said that traction control wouldn't necessarily make a great driver much better but it does make a mediocre or good driver a lot better. And as usual it was the late model teams that had the most resources to begin with that was running it. The next big thing is these spring and shock programs that the same teams that are winning all of the time use. There is technology out there that allows each corner of the car to be recorded and put into a data base and in events where the tech people don't have a clue what they are seeing there are systems that can be adjusted on the fly. The big buck teams have a special shock and spring dynamometer in their haulers that they can oscillate a shock that they hot lapped on and figure out from there what they are going to need to make the car faster through out the night.
Edited by racepace, 27 July 2016 - 09:33 PM.
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