People like you save your Motors when you know when they have been pushed to the Limit. Other people just keep pounding the gas pedal until they blow.
RUSH at Lernerville
Started by fastforward1, Nov 22 2016 12:22 AM
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#21
Posted 02 December 2016 - 08:37 AM
#22
Posted 02 December 2016 - 09:07 AM
they might last longer in a lighter car but a 3000 + pound stock car on a heavy track will have its tongue hanging out in short time. I'd like to hear the truth on how many cars hurt there motors this year at lernerville?
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#23
Posted 02 December 2016 - 09:27 AM
only one of the motors that broke could maybe be linked to a heavy track it broke a crank but to be fair that motor was in a late model that rolled and it broke the intake off it so who knows. The one thing for sure is they definitely lug much harder coming off the corner then they ever did in my late model.
#24
Posted 02 December 2016 - 01:29 PM
It don't mater anyway I still think they suck & will never run one ever. I had to much fun doing it my way. you guys that just buy everything will never understand the thrill of winning with something you built yourself.
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#26
Posted 02 December 2016 - 04:26 PM
I think the thrill of winning, the emotions that come along with it and the way you got there depends on the person. Whether that means working long hours to pay for what you use, getting sponsor money to do it or doing it yourself. It's what you take pride in that counts. Most guys don't have the means or knowledge to build there own chassis, engine, gears, etc. If you choose the path to do it all yourself then why would you need a pat on the back or have to boast about what you have accomplished to make you feel better? If the satisfaction of doing it yourself makes you feel proud then that's all that matters. So does that mean the other people who race don't have passion about what they do or that they don't put any effort forward to get there car onto that racetrack?? To each it's own but we all choose to take our own paths to get there and hopefully that path leads to victory lane.
Edited by Foz20J, 02 December 2016 - 09:14 PM.
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#27
Posted 02 December 2016 - 04:48 PM
Racing has changed a bunch since I was a kid in the 1950s watching the old coupes run!! Back then a guy got and old 1930s Ford coupe at the junkyard, gutted it, cut back the fenders and such and went racing. However, those with good mechanical knowledge were one up on the others and it usually showed on the track. Today it is different and you can BUY everything you need to go racing. I'm just a fan, but I can see both sides of the coin here and there is no "right" answer for everyone. Jim and Lapinski are both correct in their thinking from the way they look at it!!
GOOD RACING!!!
Walt
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#28
Posted 02 December 2016 - 05:34 PM
I think the thrill of winning, the emotions that come along with it and the way you got there depends on the person. Whether that means working long hours to pay for what you use, getting sponsor money to do it or doing it yourself. It's what you take pride in that counts. Most guys don't have the means or knowledge to build there own chassis, engine, gears, engines, etc. If you choose the path to do it all yourself then why would you need a pat on the back or have to boast about what you have accomplished to make you feel better? If the satisfaction of doing it yourself makes you feel proud then that's all that matters. So does that mean the other people who race don't have passion about what they do or that they don't put any effort forward to get there car onto that racetrack?? To each it's own but we all choose to take our own paths to get there and hopefully that path leads to victory lane.
one of the best posts I have seen on here in years. Some like Bob and Skull are and always be anti crate which they are free to do. Others enjoy a good competitive race and don't care if someone built their motor themselves or bought it already assembled. Tracks are going away more then we would like to see, instead of always complaining about shit maybe it would be best to try to be open minded and enjoy what we have.
#29
Posted 02 December 2016 - 06:30 PM
the motors i was talking about was in the late model class
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#30
Posted 02 December 2016 - 07:24 PM
It don't mater anyway I still think they suck & will never run one ever. I had to much fun doing it my way. you guys that just buy everything will never understand the thrill of winning with something you built yourself.
I know what you mean. I built everything on my car expect the drive train. It would suck if you had to buy a certain chassis only but I just want to race. And this isn't that bad.
#31
Posted 03 December 2016 - 07:36 AM
Racing has changed a bunch since I was a kid in the 1950s watching the old coupes run!! Back then a guy got and old 1930s Ford coupe at the junkyard, gutted it, cut back the fenders and such and went racing. However, those with good mechanical knowledge were one up on the others and it usually showed on the track. Today it is different and you can BUY everything you need to go racing. I'm just a fan, but I can see both sides of the coin here and there is no "right" answer for everyone. Jim and Lapinski are both correct in their thinking from the way they look at it!!
GOOD RACING!!!
Walt
Right, so my issue is that what they were doing 2 seasons ago was working pretty well. Greencar got shuffled out of being competitive with the weight rules, which is too bad, but he could still race. The guys who just want to race had a choice and the guys who wanted to wrench and race weren't illegal, and the racing was unbeatable almost every week. Even now with the heavier surface, by the last race of the night the track slicked off enough that the multiple approaches would likely put on a great show. What I'm saying is that what they were doing was far superior to the exclusion that they are doing now. Why continue to double down on mediocre?
As I said, I can find mediocre racing, and more of it for $5.
Edited by FanJim24, 03 December 2016 - 07:38 AM.
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My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#32
Posted 03 December 2016 - 04:25 PM
While I enjoy all of the divisions at Lernerville, most fans come to see the Big 3 of the Fab Four, and those divisions certainly did NOT have mediocre racing last season.
#33
Posted 04 December 2016 - 03:30 PM
The racing last season was great, especially the track conditions.
#34
Posted 04 December 2016 - 04:28 PM
Racing has changed a bunch since I was a kid in the 1950s watching the old coupes run!! Back then a guy got and old 1930s Ford coupe at the junkyard, gutted it, cut back the fenders and such and went racing. However, those with good mechanical knowledge were one up on the others and it usually showed on the track. Today it is different and you can BUY everything you need to go racing. I'm just a fan, but I can see both sides of the coin here and there is no "right" answer for everyone. Jim and Lapinski are both correct in their thinking from the way they look at it!!
GOOD RACING!!!
Walt
It sure has changed. No more going to a junk yard to salvage a Mopar center link that yielded four good shock eyes. Heck, I worked for a guy that made his own lug nuts!
#35
Posted 04 December 2016 - 10:20 PM
It don't mater anyway I still think they suck & will never run one ever. I had to much fun doing it my way. you guys that just buy everything will never understand the thrill of winning with something you built yourself.
Is there no thrill in having the same engine as the others and winning on setup and driving? I admire the guys who aren't afraid to run by the book, against everyone else running by the book.
If at first you don't succeed, then maybe you just suck.
#36
Posted 05 December 2016 - 08:52 AM
Is there no thrill in having the same engine as the others and winning on setup and driving? I admire the guys who aren't afraid to run by the book, against everyone else running by the book.
The thrill is still in doing it, supporting it and winning on setup and driving. What's now missing is having a chance to get a thrill out of doing it with your own stuff, because of having high dollar products forced on you by promoter rules makers. What's also missing now are racers who can't afford the high dollar products, who got by on their own stuff and occasionally won doing it their way.
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I just had a thought about the possibility of the Pro Stock class growing at the expense of Crate Late Models.
Might racers who can't afford a competitive Crate Late Model chassis, start switching to the new Pro Stock class? I don't think promoter rules makers would care if crate Pro Stock hurts Crate Late car count.
Why would they care what class poor racers choose, so long as they through their promoter rules making can force racers to buy the same mandatory products and services.
Edited by dirtstudent2, 05 December 2016 - 10:13 AM.
#37
Posted 05 December 2016 - 11:53 AM
The thrill is still in doing it, supporting it and winning on setup and driving. What's now missing is having a chance to get a thrill out of doing it with your own stuff, because of having high dollar products forced on you by promoter rules makers. What's also missing now are racers who can't afford the high dollar products, who got by on their own stuff and occasionally won doing it their way.
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I just had a thought about the possibility of the Pro Stock class growing at the expense of Crate Late Models.
Might racers who can't afford a competitive Crate Late Model chassis, start switching to the new Pro Stock class? I don't think promoter rules makers would care if crate Pro Stock hurts Crate Late car count.
Why would they care what class poor racers choose, so long as they through their promoter rules making can force racers to buy the same mandatory products and services.
The answer to this, as it is with every question you post, is no.
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#38
Posted 05 December 2016 - 12:13 PM
The thrill is still in doing it, supporting it and winning on setup and driving. What's now missing is having a chance to get a thrill out of doing it with your own stuff, because of having high dollar products forced on you by promoter rules makers. What's also missing now are racers who can't afford the high dollar products, who got by on their own stuff and occasionally won doing it their way.
Is there thrill in letting your stuff collect dust because you refuse to change? I hardly call crate engines "high dollar products."
If at first you don't succeed, then maybe you just suck.
#39
Posted 05 December 2016 - 04:52 PM
Ds2. If you think about it what is separating a crate LM and a S&S chassis sportsman at lernerville. The drive train can be the same minus the rear. Overall weight, and shocks. Sure the LM has much more adjustability in the chassis, but I think most chase there tail on the chassis ahyhow. In today's racing I say that you can probably find a crate LM buy out easier than a sprtsman car buy out...for a minimum cost difference.
#40
Posted 05 December 2016 - 09:05 PM
Chuck Sarver can't get rid of his LM for $20k. I think you hit it on the head.Ds2. If you think about it what is separating a crate LM and a S&S chassis sportsman at lernerville. The drive train can be the same minus the rear. Overall weight, and shocks. Sure the LM has much more adjustability in the chassis, but I think most chase there tail on the chassis ahyhow. In today's racing I say that you can probably find a crate LM buy out easier than a sprtsman car buy out...for a minimum cost difference.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
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