if you had a track with passing, hell yes it would fly. people have been spoiled for years up here with the big three, and if you don't see it as declining year by year, your a fool. you read the cost to have a top notch car around here, and run for $1500 to $1200 bucks........not happening long i tell ya. somebody said to cheapen the lm's.......well, somebody freaken do it. you folks bitch at vicki, say how much she is raking in, well, what are you doing behind the computer bitching then... load your damn pockets. she at least gave young racers an option....don't even tell me she hasn't brought young racer's into the sport, or added young lm drivers to your favorite slm's. blair, pegher, angelicho, martin, lake, longbrake, latta, rhorher, bidwell, should i keep going? blaming vicki is a damn shame, and scapegoat to the track owner's not assessing their future. track owners can talk, and can implement rules, an changes to benefit their future.......but what have they done, but same old, same old. viki is at least out there offering an option, that has shown nothing but success......and you blame her, for your home tracks failure to do anything. please......
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#22
Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:05 PM
#23
Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:21 PM
am I the only one to see that the crate lm are dying and the suppers are gaining more cars every year
#24
Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:23 PM
again, what are tracks doing to keep their main divisions healthy? nothing.........not one thing. i'm not going to say crate racing is great. on a good track, the lm's put on a great show. i do wish the modifieds went to the 604 because it seems their tongues are hanging out. why do you think her classes in every division are growing? it is an affordable option, that no track has come up with themselves.......all want somebody else to do it, but nobody is? and no, dirt, woo, lucas don't count....they come once a year, and don't give a chit if you can afford to play. tracks need to start giving a chit, or somebody that does will have the effect she has. bitching about her product is easy when you sit in the stands, but who else is out there putting in the time, money back into the owners pockets like her? nobody.........and until somebody gives a crap about slm's future, and does the work, or brings a united product, who can run there mouth at hers? if nobody joined, or showed up, i'd believe everything on here, but they are, so how can anyone bitch when nobody else has done anything?
#25
Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:24 PM
dieing? i saw 53 at tri-city last year on a sunday........
#26
Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:36 PM
am I the only one to see that the crate lm are dying and the suppers are gaining more cars every year[/quote]
Uhhh isn't that a good thing?
#27
Posted 17 February 2017 - 06:26 AM
tdietz. let's all hope your right. reportedly, the car pegher brought down to florida is a new xr-1. unbolt a few fasteners and drop in a 430 and he can run with anybody. point being, guys are still spending stupid money to go racing, and that will never stop.
#28
Posted 17 February 2017 - 06:34 AM
94.3. your right. promotors in western pa. are there own worst enemy. semi-late class, gone. 358 mods, gone. both of these classes were great support classes. if you added up all the different classes at all the tracks in western pa I would venture to say we have more diluted fields than many other areas of the country. that does not help the sport at all.
#29
Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:26 PM
tdietz. let's all hope your right. reportedly, the car pegher brought down to florida is a new xr-1. unbolt a few fasteners and drop in a 430 and he can run with anybody. point being, guys are still spending stupid money to go racing, and that will never stop.
Ppl have been running new cars in crates forever, now they have a different name. Even having a xr1 with a crate you still need 50k to make it a super. Not to mention then you have more competition. And then the races pay basically the same amount, if a guy with a crate travels and races for 1500-10,000 to win or races with a super and races for the same purse but spends 50k more then more for tires and fuel who made the better choice?
#30
Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:06 PM
am I the only one to see that the crate lm are dying and the suppers are gaining more cars every year
I wouldn't say crates are dying, but the crate LM class is functioning as a top support class should. You're going to have cycles of the top young talent moving up to the headliner.
Edited by BaconBits, 17 February 2017 - 01:07 PM.
#31
Posted 17 February 2017 - 02:37 PM
Right Bacon man!!! The two top crate drivers ever locally, Blair and Pegher both moved up although still running some crate races. In fact, as most everyone knows, Pegher just won a pair of crate races in Florida!!
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#32
Posted 17 February 2017 - 05:39 PM
I wouldn't say crates are dying, but the crate LM class is functioning as a top support class should. You're going to have cycles of the top young talent moving up to the headliner.
As critical as I am of Rush and crates, I agree with this. It's the overtaking of everything else that I have issues with.
I wouldn't even mind the crate sprints if they ran 604s and drop the crate mods to make room. They might not be too underpowered to lift.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#33
Posted 17 February 2017 - 10:23 PM
As critical as I am of Rush and crates, I agree with this. It's the overtaking of everything else that I have issues with.
I wouldn't even mind the crate sprints if they ran 604s and drop the crate mods to make room. They might not be too underpowered to lift.
fan, but those divisions in time will probably do what crate lm's have done, move top talent up. you need some time, and experience before you really can, plus the funding. when i saw the modifids at lernerville, they have improved greatly. guy/gals will move up, but give it time.....
#34
Posted 18 February 2017 - 08:54 AM
I can understand the mods to a point but it's not like there is no stepping stone classes for the sprints. There are multiple sprint classes already. And the sportsman class was a stepping stone to the crate lates and was already working. There will be a lot of guys choosing to stay with the crate class instead of moving up. The reason to move up was to go faster. use to be something to aim for. But with track conditions the way they are lately the crates are fast enough to run top 5 most nights in the super lates so why move up? So the top teams stay there to win and the top ten guys struggle. It hasn't made anything better in my opinion.fan, but those divisions in time will probably do what crate lm's have done, move top talent up. you need some time, and experience before you really can, plus the funding. when i saw the modifids at lernerville, they have improved greatly. guy/gals will move up, but give it time.....
#35
Posted 18 February 2017 - 09:40 AM
fan, but those divisions in time will probably do what crate lm's have done, move top talent up. you need some time, and experience before you really can, plus the funding. when i saw the modifids at lernerville, they have improved greatly. guy/gals will move up, but give it time.....
It's the power to weight, if you lift you lose, thing. In theory a sprint should be able to accelerate with less power, and give more freedom to actually drive the car rather than just stick your toe in it and hold on. Now, I've never raced, so I can only give you my perspective and what I've gleaned from drivers, so maybe I'm way off base.
Edited by FanJim24, 18 February 2017 - 09:41 AM.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#36
Posted 18 February 2017 - 09:48 AM
I can understand the mods to a point but it's not like there is no stepping stone classes for the sprints. There are multiple sprint classes already. And the sportsman class was a stepping stone to the crate lates and was already working. There will be a lot of guys choosing to stay with the crate class instead of moving up. The reason to move up was to go faster. use to be something to aim for. But with track conditions the way they are lately the crates are fast enough to run top 5 most nights in the super lates so why move up? So the top teams stay there to win and the top ten guys struggle. It hasn't made anything better in my opinion.
we are running both, and will say up north here, classes seem to be very healthy. the crates up north are very good cars, and it is hard to win. most teams have very good equipment, and run very well, but as in any division, there are going be great teams that win the most races. same in sprints, lm's, big blocks......ect. there is a handfull of about 5 teams that win everything in all divisions. never going to change that imo. we bought a used lm engine and at lernerville giving up 150 hp to some of those guys is like wow, how are we going to catch up? lol, spend more money is how......all the classes are tough..... as for the sprint stepping stone class, here is the problem i see. i don't know much about the motor packages that they run, but have seen they are different, and guys are on here asking can we run here, or there with this or that package? rush makes it so you can run any rush track and know you have what they have. believe it or not, that is a big deal. then there is no unneeded travel to find out you can't run that night......jmo.
#37
Posted 18 February 2017 - 09:52 AM
It's the power to weight, if you lift you lose, thing. In theory a sprint should be able to accelerate with less power, and give more freedom to actually drive the car rather than just stick your toe in it and hold on. Now, I've never raced, so I can only give you my perspective and what I've gleaned from drivers, so maybe I'm way off base.
those 1200 pound sprints will get around there with any motor......but why rush only put 604 in lm's only i don't know......they are way better than the 602.
#38
Posted 18 February 2017 - 10:00 AM
BTW, you really want to drive engine costs down in the sportsman class? Put them back on stock tires and wheels. It may cost more for tires than slapping whatever rubber falls out of the late model trailers, (yes, I know I'm oversimplifying it), on your car, but then you don't have to have engine rules. Let some guy stuff a Kenny Bernstein or John Force motor in a sportsman, he'll be broke, stupid and last. Granted, the sportsman will look like a turtle race compared to the big 3, but costs will be back under control.
Edited by FanJim24, 18 February 2017 - 10:06 AM.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#39
Posted 18 February 2017 - 10:14 AM
all divisions could have cheaper rules, but tire companies don't make enough money with hard tires on cars....kick backs talk.......
#40
Posted 18 February 2017 - 06:40 PM
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