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[FanJim24]

You know what really hurts tracks? Whiny fans who think they should tell people how to spend their money and what class to run because somehow their $14 means more than the $50k or more said driver has invested. Or they think they know how to promote a track so they tell the promoter everything they do wrong with the track from track prep, to what divisions they choose to run, to how they pay, all because that $14 investment means more than the hundreds of thousands the promoter has invested.
Maybe instead of constantly bitching about everything, get off your ass and be a part of the solution. Invest where you can, attend meetings, go help a driver to see what they go through to get their "junk" crate to the track, volunteer some time to help your local track with prep or whatever.

Yeah, that whole not listening to your customers thing is the best business model out there.  It's not my $14 that's such a big deal. It's mine times a few hundred more, but my $14 is still being spent, maybe a little less often, because I still love racing, and appreciate that we have a top tier track, that still does have room for improvement.  

[Hot Dog]

Yeah, that whole not listening to your customers thing is the best business model out there.  It's not my $14 that's such a big deal. It's mine times a few hundred more, but my $14 is still being spent, maybe a little less often, because I still love racing, and appreciate that we have a top tier track, that still does have room for improvement.  

How can you listen to a customer when all they are doing is looking for a reason to be pissed off? It's always something with a certain vocal minority and it creates a miserable atmosphere. The people who complain anonymously on a message board help nothing. If you're so passionate about something that needs changing, politely make yourself known to the promoter. Tell him the things you see that you'd like to see changed. You'd be surprised, but face to face polite interactions are much more effective than endless bitching on message boards and social media. It's easy to get on here and bitch, it's a lot more effective to get up and do something about it.

[Walt Wimer]

RIGHT ON!!!

[FanJim24]

How can you listen to a customer when all they are doing is looking for a reason to be pissed off? It's always something with a certain vocal minority and it creates a miserable atmosphere. The people who complain anonymously on a message board help nothing. If you're so passionate about something that needs changing, politely make yourself known to the promoter. Tell him the things you see that you'd like to see changed. You'd be surprised, but face to face polite interactions are much more effective than endless bitching on message boards and social media. It's easy to get on here and bitch, it's a lot more effective to get up and do something about it.

I do agree that when possible we should present our ideas and concerns to the track management. Some of us have. Some management is completely deaf to the people who keep the gates open. I understand that you can't please everyone, but the other end of that spectrum does not work either. Ask the founder of AOL how that worked out for his company. 

 

This is a discussion forum, people discuss. Discussing is not necessarily complaining. In much of the corporate world there is a philosophy that thinks that if you don't know how to solve a problem you shouldn't identify it. Maybe no one should pull fire alarms if they are not firemen there to fight the fire that can only be reported by firemen responding the fire that they aren't even aware of because they aren't their to pull the alarm. 

 

Do you think that the current format in this area is working? Do we need ever more starter divisions running the same motors flat out the whole way around every track that no one moves up from, or would it possibly be wiser for the promoter/GMs/owners to work together for a more focused approach. Maybe things are just fine and smaller tracks aren't on the verge of closing, and we haven't lost any tracks lately. If you think so, go ahead and make the case.

[sicario]

The best way to shut someones ears is with zero insight to their current methods and using empathy. Before disagreeing with a promoter or tracks methods, find a positive or at least examine it from a full perspective. If you try to undestand while keeping your own opinion, you might learn something. I am guilty of this just as much as anyone else. We all love racing or we wouldn't be here. We're passionate about it but there are better ways to collaborate. There is also a difference between stating an opinion or idea, & just complaining.

Edited by sicario, 26 April 2017 - 10:46 AM.

[LM RACING]

The main problem is over the past 20 years kids stopped going outside to play. Nobody builds a shack in the woods, fixes their flat tire on their bike or learns how to figure out a problem. Daycare don't teach that, parents don't teach that and this is why the sport is failing. It's pure laziness. Nobody wants to go out and do something when they have video games and internet at their disposal. Therefore the kids have no interest in building, driving or watching racecars. Welcome to the world of technology folks isn't it great.

[Walt Wimer]

A lot of food for thought here!!

 

Walt

[dirtstudent2]

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Edited by dirtstudent2, 26 April 2017 - 11:37 AM.

[94.3-RADRACER]

it took crate lm's about 6 years to get guys moving up. now there are 12-14 guys running supers from crates. the crate modifieds and sprints are very new........give it time people.....

[BaconBits]

it took crate lm's about 6 years to get guys moving up. now there are 12-14 guys running supers from crates. the crate modifieds and sprints are very new........give it time people.....

Indeed. Crate lates are now functioning as an estabished top support class should. In time, so will the mods (who have long needed a support class for drivers to get their feet wet in a mod). I don't know that sprints will experience the same growth and transformation, though. 305s are already functioning that way.

[94.3-RADRACER]

if those sprints run a 604 motor, they are going to fly out there.....crate lm's aren't very far off slm's n feature times........them sprints will get after it.........

[dirtstudent2]

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Edited by dirtstudent2, 26 April 2017 - 01:44 PM.

[sicario]

Indeed. Crate lates are now functioning as an estabished top support class should. In time, so will the mods (who have long needed a support class for drivers to get their feet wet in a mod). I don't know that sprints will experience the same growth and transformation, though. 305s are already functioning that way.

I agree. I like the rush mods. I think that class was def needed. The LM class has worked nicely also. I just don't feel that the last two additions to RUSH were needed. As you said, the 305 class is functioning nicely. And I've said it many times, I disagree with the RUSH pro mod class fully because of the following the economod classes have. Only time will tell the outcome and there have been positives from RUSH, the modified class in particular. I just don't feel that every type of car needs a RUSH class.