just curious....why they drop the sportman class there.
mercer
Started by blue by you, Jul 09 2017 08:25 AM
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#1
Posted 09 July 2017 - 08:25 AM
#3
Posted 09 July 2017 - 06:06 PM
I predicted all of this years ago with these tracks going to all RUSH so they can get full fields. Good article in flat out magazine on her plans for the future of the RUSH series.
She mentioned she wants crate everything under the tracks.
Edited by bhhracing, 09 July 2017 - 06:07 PM.
#4
Posted 09 July 2017 - 06:58 PM
So if you get crate everything the fans then don't have a choice. Tracks will be closing. Good for her. Teams will have to decide if they want to continue and they will have to buy that 40K XR-1 so they can keep the pedal to the floor. There will be no more local SLM or WoO sprint car touring shows. WoO or Lucas because they need local cars to fill out the fields. Good for nobody. The average fan is not going to travel to go see crate racing. The purses are cut by 1/3 if not more. I've seen anything from 650.00 to 800.00 to win. I see oglethorpe speedway, I have sat beside a guy that tells me how great this place was at one time. He raced late models and he said how the place would be packed and how they had full fields. Well I have said it before, I won't be back. If there is 100 people in the stands that mite be a lot. Crate racing is not bringing new fans into the seats or is it bringing guys into the pits. Yea I can see it know. The Firecracker with 16, 18 touring pro's or the Don Martin memorial with 14 sprint cars. Boy, I can't wait.
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#5
Posted 09 July 2017 - 09:03 PM
You said it right to the point jo73.....If the future has no super lates,410 sprints and big block block mods at local tracks my racing attendence will be very limited !....Vicki,"You're A Disaster To Dirt Track Racing"!....
#6
Posted 09 July 2017 - 09:29 PM
This RUSH monopoly and idea of a dirt take over is the worst thing that could possibly happen. The all crate show at Tri-City just brought in the fans didn't it... RUSH is supposed to be a support or starter class for any division it runs in, not THE headliner because they're not worthy of being a headlining series. RUSH is extremely well run and pays great for the touring series but look at the budget for the front running guys like Pegher or Blair. Blair probably has $4,000 to $5,000 in shocks/suspension, the full package motor for $12,000, an XR1, and goes through a set of tires each time the car is on the track... then add in the trans, seats, etc... an expense of $60,000+ to race touring races against someone who can't afford an XR1 as mentioned in a post above, has 1 or 2 sets of shocks, reuses tires each week and has half that in a motor that's actually trying to run on a budget. If it was truly about being affordable they'd have spec shocks and not a Bilstein points fund for guys on budgets.... So Money still rises toward the top and it's still the same shit, just that those who still want to race will move to RUSH because there are no other options and that gap will grow from front pack to mid pack with guys like Chad Wright and Will Thomas who have unlimited budgets running around Paying Blairs and Kings thousands of dollars to set their cars up. Fans will stop coming and it will die a slow painful death.
#7
Posted 10 July 2017 - 07:29 AM
So if you get crate everything the fans then don't have a choice. Tracks will be closing. Good for her. Teams will have to decide if they want to continue and they will have to buy that 40K XR-1 so they can keep the pedal to the floor. There will be no more local SLM or WoO sprint car touring shows. WoO or Lucas because they need local cars to fill out the fields. Good for nobody. The average fan is not going to travel to go see crate racing. The purses are cut by 1/3 if not more. I've seen anything from 650.00 to 800.00 to win. I see oglethorpe speedway, I have sat beside a guy that tells me how great this place was at one time. He raced late models and he said how the place would be packed and how they had full fields. Well I have said it before, I won't be back. If there is 100 people in the stands that mite be a lot. Crate racing is not bringing new fans into the seats or is it bringing guys into the pits. Yea I can see it know. The Firecracker with 16, 18 touring pro's or the Don Martin memorial with 14 sprint cars. Boy, I can't wait.
Late Model car counts are down for the most part everywhere, instead of blaming RUSH, maybe blame the costs. Not many people have 40-50 grand to dumb on a Durham engine to go race for 1100 bucks but you cry the prices are out of control for RUSH. The tour race at Lernerville was just as good as a regular Friday night super feature. I find it silly you people would rather watch 12 late models race. A good race is a good race period whether it's crate motors or not.
#8
Posted 10 July 2017 - 08:00 AM
I don't even care about the stock class at Lernverville anymore. Just drop it at this point. It used to be the best racing of the night. Now I don't know what purpose it serves. When guys who sponsor cars in the class walk out in the middle of the feature you know the racing isn't worth it.
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My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#9
Posted 10 July 2017 - 08:11 AM
When they had the option to run the crate motor it wasn't bad. A few guys went that way and it worked for them. The racing was still pretty good. It should have been left alone. Now you are seeing a lot of tracks starting with steel block latemodels or semi lates. Now the latemodels have an option again.I don't even care about the stock class at Lernverville anymore. Just drop it at this point. It used to be the best racing of the night. Now I don't know what purpose it serves. When guys who sponsor cars in the class walk out in the middle of the feature you know the racing isn't worth it.
Matt D
#10
Posted 10 July 2017 - 08:28 AM
With pms iffy Mercer would be dumb not to pick crates up.
(TEAM 14g/CAMPING-Paul Duratz)
#11
Posted 10 July 2017 - 09:01 AM
When they had the option to run the crate motor it wasn't bad. A few guys went that way and it worked for them. The racing was still pretty good. It should have been left alone. Now you are seeing a lot of tracks starting with steel block latemodels or semi lates. Now the latemodels have an option again.
I agree, wholeheartedly, except to say that the racing was better than not bad, it was usually really good.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#12
Posted 10 July 2017 - 09:03 AM
With pms iffy Mercer would be dumb not to pick crates up.
Mercer would be dumber to touch that contamination, and it would be sad to see such a historic track in the death spiral that is crate racing.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#13
Posted 10 July 2017 - 09:05 AM
Let someone run an all crate special event and see how many fans stay home, then imagine that being the program. The easier solution would be to close the track and skip the wishing on a star part.
Edited by FanJim24, 10 July 2017 - 09:17 AM.
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My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#14
Posted 10 July 2017 - 11:04 AM
Most people cry that RUSH prices are out of control because RUSH pretends it's a money saver. The only thing they save money on is an engine and even that isn't accurately represented. The LM's have no shock rules and shocks are every bit as important as a motor if you don't have the money for at least $500 shocks your SOL. I really don't have an issue with crate racing, I have an issue with the misrepresentation and back door politics involved with rush and the monopoly vicki is trying to create. I have an issue with RUSH jumping in in every class especially ones it doesn't belong in. Make no mistake Vicki and RUSH are not here to help racing, they are here to make money and they're doing just that. If they weren't they'd be gone. That's the reaso. She wants all rush classes and only rush classes for every track. $$$$$$$
Edited by sicario, 10 July 2017 - 11:07 AM.
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#15
Posted 10 July 2017 - 11:19 AM
It's gonna happen!Mercer would be dumber to touch that contamination, and it would be sad to see such a historic track in the death spiral that is crate racing.
(TEAM 14g/CAMPING-Paul Duratz)
#16
Posted 10 July 2017 - 12:08 PM
Most people cry that RUSH prices are out of control because RUSH pretends it's a money saver. The only thing they save money on is an engine and even that isn't accurately represented. The LM's have no shock rules and shocks are every bit as important as a motor if you don't have the money for at least $500 shocks your SOL. I really don't have an issue with crate racing, I have an issue with the misrepresentation and back door politics involved with rush and the monopoly vicki is trying to create. I have an issue with RUSH jumping in in every class especially ones it doesn't belong in. Make no mistake Vicki and RUSH are not here to help racing, they are here to make money and they're doing just that. If they weren't they'd be gone. That's the reaso. She wants all rush classes and only rush classes for every track. $$$$$$$
The thing with crate late racing from day one was the only promise any sanction ever made was a more affordable engine. They never even tried to claim they were saving money on any other aspect of the car. I don't know why nobody ever seems to understand that.
Edited by BaconBits, 10 July 2017 - 12:09 PM.
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#17
Posted 10 July 2017 - 12:10 PM
Most of those who have been very successful on the promotional side of racing were in it to make money and help themselves!! Bill France, Glenn Donnelly, Ted Johnson and many others. Many fans ans competitors have disliked them over the years, but where would the sport be without them??? Probably a much worse mess than we are in today, a drifting ship with no rudder!!
Walt
#18
Posted 10 July 2017 - 12:35 PM
I don't even care about the stock class at Lernverville anymore. Just drop it at this point. It used to be the best racing of the night. Now I don't know what purpose it serves. When guys who sponsor cars in the class walk out in the middle of the feature you know the racing isn't worth it.
The Sportsman race is still the best race of the night!
And someone leaving the track in the middle of a feature whats that thave to do with it?
I watch people at the Don Martin The Firecracker....... get up and leave before it's over.
If they ran any of the other class last people would get up and leave to beat the traffic.
#19
Posted 10 July 2017 - 12:48 PM
The thing with crate late racing from day one was the only promise any sanction ever made was a more affordable engine. They never even tried to claim they were saving money on any other aspect of the car. I don't know why nobody ever seems to understand that.
They do it because it doesn't support their anti-crate bs. Why let the facts get in the way of your claims.
#20
Posted 10 July 2017 - 01:17 PM
The thing with crate late racing from day one was the only promise any sanction ever made was a more affordable engine. They never even tried to claim they were saving money on any other aspect of the car. I don't know why nobody ever seems to understand that.
Their other series have shock rules. If it's a "money saver" then it should that way the whole way around. I can't speak from the beginning of "crate" racing because when that crap became the headliner at tri city I stopped going to any dirt racing for years. I speak from what I hewr at tracks and the lovely population of race stud. If it's an inacurate statement and not something they put out then I digress. I just don't see why LM's should be different than rush mods or pro mods with shock rules. As you've said before the modifieds needed a class like the rush mods and I enjoy them. I am just not a fan of the RUSH LM's. And if they make no promises or mention of shocks then the bilstein program makes sense but money is still at the front, which will be the case in any form of racing I suppose.
Edited by sicario, 10 July 2017 - 01:22 PM.
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