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[dirtstudent2]

Sorry, I just don't care anymore.

 

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Edited by dirtstudent2, 22 April 2018 - 06:16 PM.

[DavyLee2]

Well whatever it is
Lernerville read the art of the deal and struck one with Government motors
In the Sportsman class
If you find out what you have asked
please post it !
And if you are able to discover the commission for boxing racers into buying a truck motor for 6500 bucks
That would be very telling of the wave of the future and very informative of how people make racing and rules decisions
It was a very good idea for a topic !
What do you estimate. Being official mud flap of whatever would pay ?

Edited by DavyLee2, 22 April 2018 - 08:10 PM.

[starboyshady]

I love how you bash the Crate motors !!!! Yet you cant beat them with that big high dollar hammer you have 😂😂. And the fact you are clueless as far as the rules of Rush and what they bring to the table

[sicario]

The thing that kills me is that there is zero understanding of rush from opppsite side. As fans have stated they really don't care how much money a driver saved when the racing is undesirable as stated in many of their opinions and drivers don't get why fans don't like it because they're so good to drivers. I don't hate it across the board but there are aspects of it I really dislike.

[starboyshady]

You could alway sponsor a latemodel team and buy them a 45,000 Roush Yates 460 + cubic in motor and go racing !!

[starboyshady]

Im not sure what races you have gone and watched but Crate lates put on a good show ........ I hate to be the bearer of bad news but if the cars get in line like a freight train , engine had Very Litte to do with that , it was the track that dictates that .

[sicario]

How does sponsoring a race team have anything to do with what I said??? There in lies the problem... i've seen this comment from crate drivers and supporters to people who don't like, care for, or question crate racing and it makes zero sense. Have I seen decent crate late races, yes but I have seen many more of the lesser variety. It's okay for me to dislike them and disagree with you just as much as it is the other way around. And yes I'm fully aware of how track conditions dictate a race. I've discussed my opinion on crate racing and racing vs passing in depth already and frankly don't care to explain it again. And to do so with someone who races a crate will get both of us nowhere.

Edited by sicario, 22 April 2018 - 10:06 PM.

[starboyshady]

The point I was trying to make is the cost of a competitive open motor is astronomical and to the racer it isnt that noticeable.

[starboyshady]

The post was aimed more at Davey lee , whom races a uncompetitive Street stock . Why doesnt he win ? Because of MONEY being spent . And a street stock is a fraction of what a super late cost

[DavyLee2]

My perspective is from the sportsman class
Please explain what Im missing in having a sanctioning body tell me throw away your Chevy 350 and purchase this one
Group think that most of you blindly follow doesnt make the case to just fall in line with me and Im sincerely asking a question
What does Rush or Any sanctioning body bring to Sportsman already running a 350
PennOhio Brings a mountain of benefits already so what am I missing
This topic is about venders
What is commission on selling a government motor Is the question in this thread
Never got an answer of the former question
Just some guy whining instead of selling his mandate motor choice

[dirtstudent2]

DavyLee2 your not missing a thing.

I to love racing and have the same fears as you. The net of it is DavyLee2 if you don't make enough to afford to be in the group they market too, you can't race with them. They positioned themselves to suck the cream off the top lower level classes and the supporting life blood by belly wonding top classes.

Your worried your chance to race at the level you can afford will be gone. I'm worried bleeding the level class we chose will deplete it to the extent it will be gone and we will not be able to race either.

Edited by dirtstudent2, 23 April 2018 - 12:29 PM.

[sicario]

The only thing I will say at this point is watch participation in the sportsman class this year at Lernerville and see what direction it's going...

Edited by sicario, 23 April 2018 - 02:19 PM.

[DavyLee2]

Thanks for understanding
Im not a follower But there are a lot of them

Im not opposed to Crate racing I
But taking away the option for people like me or people who can build a good motor for less than they sell that truck motor ( truck motor is a quote from an engine builder what he calls it )
Is war on the original stock car class
My sportsman is competitive and could be as much as the 33 at llerne vile I BELIEVE and thats what keeps me trying
Late models are 5 to 1 cost over stock cars not counting motors! Scrape the wall send the car to Richards you just purchased a stock car maybe Even race ready stock car
My guess is that the profit on the crates is 2000
The commission to force the Sportsman to buy them or dont come here is 40 percent or 800
Has to be quite high to chase off the other motors
Just my estimated breakdown as per this topic posed the question

[flash49]

DavyLee2 your not missing a thing.

I to love racing and have the same fears as you. The net of it is DavyLee2 if you don't make enough to afford to be in the group they market too, you can't race with them. They positioned themselves to suck the cream off the top lower level classes and the supporting life blood by belly wonding top classes.

Your worried your chance to race at the level you can afford will be gone. I'm worried bleeding the level class we chose will deplete it to the extent it will be gone and we will not be able to race either.

  

The top classes were hemorrhaging long before Rush came to town.  What part of this situation do you no understand?  How many guys racing Crates have come on this board and said point blank, that if weren't for Crate racing, they would be sitting on the sidelines. Apparently, you don't believe what you hear from the horse's mouth.  I don't usually stay for the Sportsman feature at Lernerville, and I really have no problem with the Crates racing with the open motors as they previously did, so I have no comment on how the racing is.  But the Rush Pro Late Models and Rush Modifieds usually put on a hell of a show wherever I see them race, especially at Lernerville and PPMS.  

[dirtstudent2]

The time frame before you polnted out the norm was 24 carfields and b mains at lernerville and tricity. Mercer was usally full fields.

[old man d]

ALL of us agree crate late models and pro mods produce good racing, but the issue is Rush closed the open motors at Lernerville for only crates in the pro stocks. Tell me why they can"t race open with crates, and don"t tell me this crap it is best for racing. And don"t  answer my question with a question! Just give a straight answer on why they can"t race both.

[flash49]

ALL of us agree crate late models and pro mods produce good racing, but the issue is Rush closed the open motors at Lernerville for only crates in the pro stocks. Tell me why they can"t race open with crates, and don"t tell me this crap it is best for racing. And don"t  answer my question with a question! Just give a straight answer on why they can"t race both

 

 

 

 

If you're replying to me, I never said in any post that I thought it was a good idea to go with a "crate only" format for the Sportsman cars.  

[old man d]

I was agreeing with you about the crate late models and pro mods. As for DavyLee2 trust me he does understand the situation. Yes some of the crate racing has kept guys in racing, and that my Friend is a good thing. I and a lot of other racers put their HEART,  BLOOD, MONEY and SOUL into racing because the love of the sport. But sometimes to much change is not good and it will back fire.

[jo73]

Total domination.

[sicario]

As someone stated earlier it's a stock car. People spending insane amounts of money for a motor is somewhat pointless especially if you can't get through a corner. Everyone is so concerned with motor equality. How's that working out for the guys at Lernerville. They pay "less" to finish second?? After the legal upgrades are purchased how much cheaper is it?

And speaking of motors, everyone is going on about super late motors. Volpe and his CT525 crate seem to be doing just fine. A stock 525 can be purchased for $7,600. But whether your motor is 10,000 or 40,000 it doesn't matter if you don't have it set up. It's does not matter if your motor has 500 horsepower or 5000 if you can't get it to the track.

And while everyone is hot and bothered about motors, shocks and suspension get lost in the shuffle and that's where races are won, not motors. If someone running a sportsman stock, pro stock, or crate late or whatever and has a shock dyno and can mimmick $2,000 shocks and have custom ones built to their high end specs for $500 which is within the class limit, build them themselves, or rebuild them after only a few races how can someone compete with that. They can't but thank god everyone has the same $13,000 crate with all the upgrades..... 👌👌👍👍

Edited by sicario, 24 April 2018 - 09:43 AM.