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[Sparkler]

Does anybody know if the Brandon Mattus and others boycott is over this Friday night at Lernerville? Trying to decide if I want to go or not. Not worth the trip to see 11 sprint cars.

[Walt Wimer]

To my knowledge they have not made anything public, including their "demands"!!

 

GOOD RACING TO ALL!!

 

Walt

[Sparkler]

Thanks for your knowledge of information while. Hopefully it's another quick night.

[scruffy1a]

Does anybody know if the Brandon Mattus and others boycott is over this Friday night at Lernerville? Trying to decide if I want to go or not. Not worth the trip to see 11 sprint cars.

Serious question: Is this genuine, or are you campaigning on behalf of oppressed sprint car owners?

[Sparkler]

As genuine as you are my friend. You going to race Latrobe this year? Would love to come check it jeremy.

[blue by you]

Serious question: Is this genuine, or are you campaigning on behalf of oppressed sprint car owners?

wow!! look who poped his head out of the ground...AGAIN!!

[Brian44m]

Why would you not come just because there was only 11 cars? Sprint feature had great racing last week. Pure stocks still great. mods pretty good. Late model racing was good too.

[dirtstudent2]

Good payday for those there.  Good racing for the fans. And less total payout for the track.

 

All in all a good night except for two good cars being damaged, with both cars making the show at Sharon the next night.

 

 

I don't see any reason to think there was a boycott. 

 

If you have proof spew it out on here instead of the innuendo's and name calling. 

 

I stayed for the last feature and the night at the races for me was well worth it.  

[dirtstudent2]

Friday with the Allstars at Attica you may see either more or less cars at Lernerville.  

 

I think there will be more, likely a B main.

[rob0170]

Friday with the Allstars at Attica you may see either more or less cars at Lernerville.  

 

I think there will be more, likely a B main.

there will be more cars because some 305 sprints are going to be there

[bhhracing]

Good payday for those there.  Good racing for the fans. And less total payout for the track.

 

All in all a good night except for two good cars being damaged, with both cars making the show at Sharon the next night.

 

 

I don't see any reason to think there was a boycott. 

 

If you have proof spew it out on here instead of the innuendo's and name calling. 

 

I stayed for the last feature and the night at the races for me was well worth it.  

 

 

Guess you don't follow a certain driver on social media. He stated he and others will not be back till pay is raised. It's not like these people on here are making this up. 

Edited by bhhracing, 23 May 2019 - 08:51 PM.

[Express Man]

I notice that they don't have their payout listed on page seven of the rules where they say it is listed?????  That must mean its not up to par!  I realize its a hard deal to make money today.  But racers are going to go where the money is.  Take a look at Port Royals payout for Sprints and Latemodels and you will see why they most always have full fields.  They are the only track that I notice consistantly gets more than 12-13 latemodels.  And usually 24 sprints!

[Walt Wimer]

Stateline and Eriez usually get the best Late Model car counts in the western PA area!!   Port Royal in in central PA!!  Stateline had 27 last week!!

 

GOOD RACING TO ALL!!

 

Walt

[Hotrod11h]

Isn't that why couple years ago so many western PA cars we all-star racing? Thought recall something like 4yrs ago regarding pay and more money traveling

[dirtstudent2]

 

 

Guess you don't follow a certain driver on social media. He stated he and others will not be back till pay is raised. It's not like these people on here are making this up. 

 

I don't follow any drivers social media.  Would you post a url to the info?

 

thanks

[Sparkler]

 
I don't follow any drivers social media.  Would you post a url to the info?
 
thanks

Don't think you're going to be able to see it as you have to be friends or follow somebody to view their information.

[fast_crew]

This has been floating around Facebook the last week or so. It's no wonder the guys are complaining of the payout, come on Ed Lynch SR ran for this purse 20+ yrs ago. I'm sure these guys aren't asking for a Central PA purse, but somethings gotta change.

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[Stock Stroker]

I think you should post total purse of all divisions to get the full picture.

[Benny K]

Sharon and Baps purse is not weekly.

[dirtstudent2]

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Tow money 300,  only transfers get an additional 25 per transfer in the C or B. No more payout for a transfer is needed because only racers who think they have a chance or are there for seat time or just the love of racing will put their cars in C or B mains anyway.  

 

If a racer wants to start and park for C or B money only for the coin, they ain't going to do it anymore.  There going to run a C or B main because they want to race and for no other reason.   Sometimes the B or C IS the expected feature for some and has a lot of meaning for a win or seat time.  Getting rid of any B or C payout schedule and moving the money towards tow or non qualified money will get rid of some of the start and park bull shit fans don't appreciate.   Yes it takes something away from drivers but again it's more then made up with by good tow money.  

 

If you don't earn a transfer spot be it C to B or B to A, you go home with tow money.  Making the A main makes passing worth 25 and 50 more for an additional spot and is enough for most racers to have something to race for, in addition to their place on the pecking order.  There's no need to pad the winners of any transfer feature because the real racing is to see who will be last to make the A main and if you figure your already going to make the A then it's for starting position.

 

Cars and drivers are so close on the top end of the food chain now a days buying stuff right out of a catalog and paying to have engines built, there's no need to jack up lop spots that much or the winner.  Those paying top dollar to go racing are there to win not for the money.  300 tow and taking care of all half deciently, who make the A main will bring in cars and FANS.

 

Take care of the racers and the front gate will take care of itself !

 

 

edit:  If you look at this payout schedule making the top 10 pays $600 which is more then any other track on the posted comparison.  So though top payout isn't up to the rest most all who get into the top 10 will make out better at Lernerville then any other track near by.

 

 

 

The $300 tow money is your promotional investment to bring in cars and fans.  If it doesn't bring in cars, which it will, then it doesn't cost the track a dime.  The rest is up to the track to make racers feel welcome and if racers show up,  SO WILL THE FANS.

 

 

For a Fan Lernerville your expected $1000 or more 50/50 payout is a great incentive to go to the races.  Bring in more cars with a little more payout and you'll see $1500 or better 50/50 each week.  Your 50/50 payout is almost as much a fan incentive to go to the races as the racing.  For  some fans  I'm sure  if the 50/50 payout starts to drop they'll start to drop their attending your racing.

 

 

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Sharon rained out to and I just got home so what the heck here's more easily cut up idea's. 

 

Also no alternates or other add on's to the A main.  You either make the feature or go home and cars already making the feature but not able to start are not replaced.  If two cars can't make the feature then the feature goes off with 18 cars.  Also I would like to see all cars taking their position after a yellow, no go to the back unless your on the lead lap and no free pass.  If on a restart the first laper in line is between 1st and second place it gives the first lapped car in line a chance to get their lap back after the restart.  It also demands the second place car has to get around the same cars the leader went around.   With the payout and the number of cars I expect to show I suspect it will not be all that uncommon for the first lapped car before the caution to get a lap back.  The leader and second place know that with stiff competition each lapper gets tougher and tougher to pass which is another reason to not put lapers to the back.  Better all around racing for the fans instead of watching the top 4 or 5 cars continually lined up to race each other.  The way it is now a caution after 10 laps in you may as well pull all but the top 5 cars off the track and pay them per their spot after 10 laps.  That ain't exciting racin, may be good racing in many eyes but exciting, no..  

 

My thoughts on this are to ONE, draw cars and TWO provide great racing for us fans.  If these ideas can do both then with many fans in the stands the only next logical step to improve the SHOW which is what tracks sell is to move feature car count back up to 24.  I'm accepting the 20 car feature is the way it is today and looking for and hopefully providing a way for it to get back up to 24.   I'm trying to do it without bitching about how anything is now and thinking about drivers first, fans next and letting the ideas if ok take care of the track and it's owners.   ... and yes there's proly a bitch about something in this post 

 

Another idea i'd like to add in is if a driver spins out and keeps going keeping the SHOW moving instead of stopping to bring out a caution, IN ANY CLASS EXCEPT SPRINTS.  Throw the driver an extra $10 bucks in his pay out for his efforts.  You can call it a little bit extra for taking care of the SHOW and keeping things going.

 

Edit for more ideas on it.  No B main if there are just 21 cars, tag the 21st car onto the feature for feature payout money, 22 and there's a B main.  B main no more then 10 cars and 10 laps each to keep the chances of racers tearing up equipment down for B and C mains.  With only a 20 car feature field let racers who need or want seat time get it in B and C mains while still allowing the top 4 or 5 depending on what the track wants to do to advance to the feature.   As car counts increase, which they will, the track can add on 4 additional starters to the field for 325 start money each.  It will only mean an additional $100 payout to put 24 cars in the feature and it will reduce the needs for B mains and keep the over all SHOW moving better for fans.  Fans don't need an intermission to watch drivers draw pills, there there to watch racing so only announce the results of the pill draw without fans having to hang around watching drivers draw pills.  If you want that added to your show for the fans, do it on a special and not regular Friday night racing.

 

Pill draw for heat starting spot or qualifying during warm ups or regular qualifying by one or two laps how ever the track wants to do it with top 4 reversed for heat position.  No more then 8 cars in a heat race. 

 

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ok,  it's an idea offered instead of a bitch and complaint 

 

6 drivers to the pill draw for feature position with the top 4 picks picking their starting position in order for feature.  Who ever picks the 1 pill is first to choose where they will start in the feature and on back to who picked the 4 pill.  5 and 6 pill draws start feature in positions 5 and 6 along with the rest of the field who's order will be set by how ever the track wants to do it. 

Edited by dirtstudent2, 26 May 2019 - 10:24 AM.