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[dirtstudent2]

Wow did I screw up again.  Looking at the Eldora schedule I saw the WoO are there on Sept 27th.

 

One of my favorite seats there was open and I now am awaiting my ticket for the Friday show. 

[BaconBits]

As a novice to WRG....what's the big hold they have and why are they wielding  such a big stick with any track.....and do they own a tire company !!!!!!....... what tire is the one used at lernerville ? ...as you can see I'm in the dark.....

 

They owned the track prior to the Tomsons, and agreements were n place when it changed hands. They do not own any tire companies. General Tire owns Hoosier.

Edited by BaconBits, 02 September 2019 - 11:37 AM.

[BaconBits]

WRG holds Lernerville hostage with those "precious" WoO sprint car dates.

As far as the WoO sanctioning the Firecracker.
No big loss.
IMO if Lucas Oil sanctioned the race it would be more successful and draw more cars.

 

 

Lucas has an even more restrictive and expensive tire rule than UMP. If guys don't come now because of a tire rule, why would they come if an even more expensive rule is in place?

[dirtstudent2]

 

 

Lucas has an even more restrictive and expensive tire rule than UMP. If guys don't come now because of a tire rule, why would they come if an even more expensive rule is in place?

 

I don't know might it be maybe they can use the more expensive tires more places then just one track and they get better life out of the UMP rule tires?

 

 

 

I also have no clue what a UMP tire rule is and  guessing again is it the Lucas UMP tire rule?

[Walt Wimer]

I am sure guys are complaining about the tire rule for the weekly shows, not one for a WoO or Lucas race!!!

 

Walt

[dirtstudent2]

Thanks

[DavyLee2]

Like he said
Lernerville is a world class Sprint car track with two other top divisions on the card
The Woo is the Top of the food chain for Sprint cars in the World !
Take those factors away
Your as dumb as NASCAR taking away the Southern 500on Labor Day weekend !
Dump the WooLatemdels and have the Lucas oil Latemodels and call it the Bottle Rocket !
Like He said Puck em !
The Tire rule ? It obviously sucks and I don’t know why but it’s obvious it does!
And monopoly Motors in Stock cars always was GAY !
America’s economy is best ever and best in the world by double
So if you planning to retreat like the oppressed Husain years .. your gonna be left in the dust of the best economy ever

[bhhracing]

They also own the steel city stampede.

[jo73]

So you guys are saying wrg comes in and runs the sprint car shows, firecracker and the stampede ?

So who owns the property the track is sitting on ? WRG or the Martin family ?
because if it's the Tomson's I don't understand how that deal works out for those shows. He'd be losing his ass on the biggest money making shows for the year.

[dirtstudent2]

Except for Charlotte Dirt track at the end of the year which ticket sales are totally handled by Charlotte Motor Speedway and likely a few other tracks, the WoO at least from what I've seen sells the tickets online and scans into their system your ticket when you enter the track.  They(the WoO) use hand held scanners to track fan tickets.  I have credits from two rainouts at Volusia to use to buy tickets from the WoO for the Firecracker.  But I can't use the credits to help pay for my renewal tickets at Charlotte.  It makes me think the WoO tracks fan ticket sales real close to make sure they don't get cheated by a track by getting short changed on total fan tickets sold. 

 

I'm guessing the Track pays a guarantee to have the show which is x amount of dollars plus a percentage of ticket sales maybe over the guarantee or in total.  The track probably makes its money per a fan gate over the guarantee they negotiated, with food sales and and pit entry charges in total going to the track.  Hence the probably reason why the last race they had a $10 up charge to go in the pits no matter what kind of fan ticket you bought.  My up charge was on top of a reserved seat ticket so I paid the maximum possible to go into the pits.  I don't know if pit entry for general admission was also a $10 up charge or not, maybe having general admission upgrade to the cost of a pit pass.   The cost also doesn't include the service fee paid.

 

If the track can promote and garner a lot of fans through the front gate, my guess is they will make out very well.  If they just piss poor promote the show they'll probably wonder why they even put the effort into a WoO show.  In my opinion their success is all up to them and successful or not they will get my ticket money.  Or maybe they won't get a dime from me if I'm able to use my credits at the WoO to purchase my ticket, I don't know?

[BaconBits]

I am sure guys are complaining about the tire rule for the weekly shows, not one for a WoO or Lucas race!!!

 

Walt

 

The poster I was talking to was specifically talking about the Firecracker and that the tire rule keeps guys away.

[BaconBits]

So you guys are saying wrg comes in and runs the sprint car shows, firecracker and the stampede ?

So who owns the property the track is sitting on ? WRG or the Martin family ?
because if it's the Tomson's I don't understand how that deal works out for those shows. He'd be losing his ass on the biggest money making shows for the year.

 

WRG absolutely runs the WoO shows and Stampede. The big advantage to that is that Lernerville doesn't have to come up with any sanctioning fees. They don't have to come up with the entire purse, either.

[dirtstudent2]

I don't know about the different tire rules.  Are there 3 different requirements for tires being talked about?

 

1.  Does Lernerville have a unique tire rule different from WoO and Lucas?

 

2.  What is the difference between WoO, I assume Lucas and Lernerville?

 

Those in the know seem to assume everyone else knows the tire rules, we don't !

 

3. Who does any testing of tires beyond looking at compound and sidewall identifiers?  I suspect none do from past discussions on here and lawsuits.  

 

4.  If there is no testing beyond looking at compounds and sidewall identifiers do you think there is much chemically altering of tires, even to the extent of recapping with a desired compound.  I don't think recapping of "new" race tires to apply the compound needed for a race is out of the question.  It's been done for years for kart money races where a specific brand and type of tire is required of all competitors.  Kart racing it's accepted the tires no matter what is required will be chemically altered.  If there's no longer outside tech of tires, which I don't know there is or is not, wouldn't it be common practice to chemically prepare Late Model tires?  

 

I know there were area Late Model teams using rolled and chemically preparing tires well over 10 years ago.  And the only way I found out about it for sure was one Late Model team was were offering to do local area sprint car team tires for a fee.  For anyone interested the old time common chemicals used for 20-30 years are Toluene outside, Xylene inside and mix some or throw some ATF fluid at them for grip.  Since then what works and how to do it has been refined to a science mainly by kart racers and chemical tire treatment suppliers to kart racers.

[DavyLee2]

Do teams work their tires
?
Absolutely not ! that would be attempting to gain an advantage
I am also curious about the tire rule

Edited by DavyLee2, 04 September 2019 - 09:13 AM.

[bhhracing]

Amen baconbits! Thank God somebody else understands how everything is run with wrg.

[rocket21]

To run at Lernerville, late model or pro stock, you are required to use Hoosier LM tires. Compounds are LM-20,30 OR 40.You wont find any teams running these tires elsewhere. Open competition tires are preferred ( Hoosier 1350,American Racer SD-38 etc.) Therefore if you want to run at Lernerville, even just occasionally, you're going to have to buy tires that you're likely not going to use anywhere else. This is what keeps some late model teams away,especially the underfunded ones. As far as pro stocks go,you also have to run the LM tires and run the required Rush crate engine. Double whammy. This is why you don't see any Penn Ohio cars visiting Lernerville and rarly see any Lernerville /Rush pro stocks running outside of Lernerville. I think you will see their pro stock field dwindle even more in years to come. I know that as soon as our 604 shits the bed we're going to an open motor so we can race elsewhere .

[dirtstudent2]

Does what your saying about the WRG mean except for a few races there isn't any track getting a WRG date unless the WRG controls the gate and feels they will profit from the front gate.

[dirtstudent2]

To run at Lernerville, late model or pro stock, you are required to use Hoosier LM tires. Compounds are LM-20,30 OR 40.You wont find any teams running these tires elsewhere. Open competition tires are preferred ( Hoosier 1350,American Racer SD-38 etc.) Therefore if you want to run at Lernerville, even just occasionally, you're going to have to buy tires that you're likely not going to use anywhere else. This is what keeps some late model teams away,especially the underfunded ones. As far as pro stocks go,you also have to run the LM tires and run the required Rush crate engine. Double whammy. This is why you don't see any Penn Ohio cars visiting Lernerville and rarly see any Lernerville /Rush pro stocks running outside of Lernerville. I think you will see their pro stock field dwindle even more in years to come. I know that as soon as our 604 shits the bed we're going to an open motor so we can race elsewhere .

 

Thank you for explanation.

[Benny K]

The whole thing on the UMP tire rule at Lernerville seems so backward too me. I listen to the Dirt Nerds podcast and they were talking about the WoO Late show in Michigan and  and how guys won't run with the WoO because the shows don't require the UMP tire and they only run on the UMP tires in that area, but then at Lernerville they mandate the UMP tire for the Firecracker when the locals don't run the UMP tire except at Lernerville.

 

 

As for Lernerville's Friday nights Keep Fab 4 for some select shows pay 2000 or 2500 to win the the big 3 and charge more to get in, and then the other nights rotate through paying one of the 3 3000 to win, and run an 2nd of the big see for more of a regular purse, open stocks, and one of the crate classes giving one of the top 3 the night off. for instance

 

Week 1

410s  3000 to win

Big Blocks  2000 to win

Open Stocks

Crate Lates

 

Week 2

Super Lates 3000 to win

410s 2000 to win

Open Stocks

Crate Sportsman Mods

 

Week 3

Big Blocks 3000 to win

Super Lates 2000 to win

Open Stocks

305 sprints

 

Week 4

Big Blocks, 410s, Super Lates each 2000 or 2500 to win

$20 - 25 general admission

+open stocks

Edited by Benny K, 05 September 2019 - 09:11 AM.

[bhhracing]

Benny's k are you on glue?