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Night #2 of the Steel City Stampede at Lernerville: 10-17-20


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#21 FanJim24

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Posted 21 October 2020 - 02:17 PM

I think the sprints need to run before the track is run out, which is one of the inherent problems with the stampede. Not enough warm weather time between nights to open the track up and get enough water into the clay. 



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Posted 21 October 2020 - 02:34 PM

Just here to say, just as I do every year at Stampede time for about 4 or 5 years running, how criminally underwhelming and misused the Stampede is compared to what it could be if it just headlined the Big 3 and paid 5-10k each to win. That’s all, see you next year when I’ll be back to say the same thing when they run the same dumb Regular Show Back Gate Fiesta.

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Posted 21 October 2020 - 06:23 PM

And they laugh all the way to the bank


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Posted 21 October 2020 - 07:16 PM

And they laugh all the way to the bank


So? Im sure the money of the friends and family of the 110 4 cylinders and micro sprints they get spends just as well, but as is, the event sucks and always has sucked. Im aware Im only one less paying customer who will never go, but I have no desire to watch and pay premium rate for what amounts to a regular show for the divisions I want to see and about 200 cars worth of divisions I have zero interest in watching. Glad youre easy to please Jo.

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Posted 21 October 2020 - 08:57 PM

Just here to say, just as I do every year at Stampede time for about 4 or 5 years running, how criminally underwhelming and misused the Stampede is compared to what it could be if it just headlined the Big 3 and paid 5-10k each to win. That’s all, see you next year when I’ll be back to say the same thing when they run the same dumb Regular Show Back Gate Fiesta.

Preach on, Abe. They could make a smaller version of The World Finals. If it paid well, I'd pay twice what they charge for Stampede Saturday.




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Posted 22 October 2020 - 05:33 AM

Vigoda, my only point was that so many tracks now do these end of year events and bring in as many classes as possible. They want that back gate, they want the 4 cylinders and micro guys to bring 2 to 3 people in the pits with them. They want that show to last until they sell the last hot dog out of the freezer. Oh let's make them multiple day events. Camping spots, $$$. It's all a money making event. Do I blame them ? No not at all. But your not going to see good racing. I quit going to these deals years ago. They don't miss me because they still show up every year. For people to complain about the racing and whatever else. Just what did you think you were going to get ?


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Posted 22 October 2020 - 08:11 AM

Preach on, Abe. They could make a smaller version of The World Finals. If it paid well, I'd pay twice what they charge for Stampede Saturday.


DirtCar for better or for worse dictates what Lernerville can and cant do with their shows, while what the World Finals is would be ideal for the Stampede Im sure DirtCar wouldnt allow that, especially less than a month before the Finals. No reason they couldnt do:

410 Sprints Unsanctioned 10,000 to win
Super Late Models Unsanctioned 10,000 to win
BRP Modifieds 5,000 to win
Rush Late Models 3-5,000 to win
Pro Stocks 2,000 to win.

Event fixed.

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Posted 22 October 2020 - 08:14 AM

Just what did you think you were going to get ?



Im aware that it is nothing more than a complete and unabashed year end money grab. I expect better from Lernerville. I have not and will not attend a Stampede under the current format, cant be the only one.

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Posted 22 October 2020 - 08:47 AM

DirtCar for better or for worse dictates what Lernerville can and cant do with their shows, while what the World Finals is would be ideal for the Stampede Im sure DirtCar wouldnt allow that, especially less than a month before the Finals. No reason they couldnt do:

410 Sprints Unsanctioned 10,000 to win
Super Late Models Unsanctioned 10,000 to win
BRP Modifieds 5,000 to win
Rush Late Models 3-5,000 to win
Pro Stocks 2,000 to win.

Event fixed.

I know there is a contract in place between the Tomson's and WRG. It will be interesting to see what happens once it ends. I don't know if they'll try to renegotiate another or if they'll end the relationship. It's my understanding that the current deal is very beneficial for WRG. All of the events held there under WRG are guaranteed money makers. However, the Stampede could set the gold standard if it featured quality over quantity.




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Posted 22 October 2020 - 06:27 PM

Isn't this year the end of said contract ?




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Posted 22 October 2020 - 08:54 PM

Isn't this year the end of said contract ?


Some say. No way are they going to drop world racing group. Those 2 Sprint car races make up a good percentage of their money plus the fire cracker.


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Posted 22 October 2020 - 09:10 PM

At the drivers meeting both nights they stated the Dirtcar secured a date for the stampede for 2021.

I like your guys super stampede format but I dont think its changing.


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Posted 22 October 2020 - 09:18 PM

[quote name="Tommy" post="448458" timestamp="1603419002"]

At the drivers meeting both nights they stated the Dirtcar secured a date for the stampede for 2021.


They have only secured a date for the past 12 consecutive years.


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Posted 22 October 2020 - 09:40 PM

Some say. No way are they going to drop world racing group. Those 2 Sprint car races make up a good percentage of their money plus the fire cracker.

 

If you own a track and want to host a WoO Sprint or LM event, I'm sure you have to sign a contract. I think the contract Lernerville had with WRG was different in that those contracts lasted multiple seasons and it is my understanding that WRG profited from the gate receipts in lieu of paying a sanctioning fee. I think for a "regular" contract, you pay the sanctioning fee(s), satisfy what the contract stipulates as far as safety, insurance, etc. You hold the event, pay the purse and whatever is left over belongs to the track owners. The Tomson's had to make their money on advertising and food, camping, beverage and merchandise sales for those big shows.

 

One thing that makes me think the contract may very well be finished is the fact that they hired a very experienced GM. Someone who is versed in handling sanctioning bodies. I'm sure they would like to have the 3 WoO events next year.




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Posted 23 October 2020 - 06:37 AM

That deal ended last year.... thats why the purse was raised tire rules and open engines were changed... the stampede isnt going to change, WRG leases the track for it... its their event not Lernervilles.


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Posted 23 October 2020 - 08:33 AM

That deal ended last year.... thats why the purse was raised tire rules and open engines were changed... the stampede isnt going to change, WRG leases the track for it... its their event not Lernervilles.

So, the Tomson's willingly lease the track although they are under no obligation to do so? If true, it tells me it's obviously a big money making event and a win win situation for the Tomson's and WRG. On that plateau, it's good event. My personal opinion is it could be much better for fans and race teams.




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Posted 24 October 2020 - 10:03 AM

I guess about 300 drivers and I are in the minority then, because I like the stampede. Sure, I could do without the half dozen micros running around full throttle the whole way, but overall I like it. 



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