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#1 blue by you

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Posted 11 April 2021 - 01:17 PM

just curious, as to why the pro stocks  are no longer under rush there under the penn/ohio series. .....anybody know.





 

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Posted 11 April 2021 - 01:42 PM

just curious, as to why the pro stocks  are no longer under rush there under the penn/ohio series. .....anybody know.

Open motors. Better racing. Less Vicky. No downside. 



My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill. 


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Posted 11 April 2021 - 02:04 PM

Also, less hassle for Lernerville to just let Penn/Ohio administer the rules. I may be wrong on this, but I think that a lot of the drivers like the way Penn/Ohio is run, and wanted them involved, or at least their rules package invoked. It also means that a Lernerville legal stock car is Penn/Ohio legal and vice versa, and I assume that Lernerville points are also Penn/Ohio series points. 

 

I don't see any downside here. 


Edited by FanJim24, 11 April 2021 - 02:06 PM.


My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill. 


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Posted 11 April 2021 - 10:34 PM

Vicki promised the Thompson's great car counts and such. So they gave it a shot. Over a few years it did not grow and basically ruined the division with a lot of guys dropping out or quit racing altogether. Now they got smart and went back to the old way. Create racing is not the answer and they found that out


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Posted 12 April 2021 - 12:08 PM

Vicki promised the Thompson's great car counts and such. So they gave it a shot. Over a few years it did not grow and basically ruined the division with a lot of guys dropping out or quit racing altogether. Now they got smart and went back to the old way. Create racing is not the answer and they found that out

well they got smart an sent her packing.she tryed that shit at ppms too i think she promised miley the same thing.




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Posted 12 April 2021 - 02:43 PM

Now, she's found a new sucker in Dog Hollow Speedway. They are going the RUSH route for their Stocks. Good luck.




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Posted 12 April 2021 - 05:07 PM

well they got smart an sent her packing.she tryed that shit at ppms too i think she promised miley the same thing.

 

you do realize the stock counts there sucked before rush was even involved? the way you people word your statements is misleading. if someone wasn't there you would make it seem like these tracks had 30 stocks a week which is a lie.




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Posted 12 April 2021 - 08:19 PM

 
you do realize the stock counts there sucked before rush was even involved? the way you people word your statements is misleading. if someone wasn't there you would make it seem like these tracks had 30 stocks a week which is a lie.


The stock car class had more cars than any other division there before the crate motor was introduced. They thought it would bring in more cars but it did the opposite


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Posted 12 April 2021 - 09:49 PM

The stock car class had more cars than any other division there before the crate motor was introduced. They thought it would bring in more cars but it did the opposite

 

I wasn't talking about Lernerville. Are you related to Jo? 




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Posted 12 April 2021 - 10:04 PM

Well you better look what the topic says on this post fellow. This is a learner ville post


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Posted 13 April 2021 - 04:45 PM

Hummm, did I say anything in this thread. I must have missed it. You make me laugh. Nice to know you think about me. Glad I bother you so much. Hahahhahahahahahahaha:):):)


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Posted 14 April 2021 - 08:03 AM

The open stock class is dying. All the DIRT tracks to the north saw the progression downward and changed to the crate motor platform. The class was all but dead ten years ago. They have seen a great resurgence of the Pro Stocks, as well as the Sportsman Modified division.
Locally, we still have the loyalists to open competition. I respect that, me being one of them, however not everyone can afford open competition. I, can no longer afford it, so I have chosen to end my racing career.
I see the place for the RUSH Series, and thank Vicki for her efforts to award those the opportunity to compete at the level they can afford. I also believe the Penn/Ohio Series is a fabulous opportunity for those who can afford to compete at that level.
Some day I can see myself running a Series again, just depends on how big my stimulus check is, haha.

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 11:46 AM

The open stock class is dying. All the DIRT tracks to the north saw the progression downward and changed to the crate motor platform. The class was all but dead ten years ago. They have seen a great resurgence of the Pro Stocks, as well as the Sportsman Modified division.
Locally, we still have the loyalists to open competition. I respect that, me being one of them, however not everyone can afford open competition. I, can no longer afford it, so I have chosen to end my racing career.
I see the place for the RUSH Series, and thank Vicki for her efforts to award those the opportunity to compete at the level they can afford. I also believe the Penn/Ohio Series is a fabulous opportunity for those who can afford to compete at that level.
Some day I can see myself running a Series again, just depends on how big my stimulus check is, haha.

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Interesting perspective, since we've had drivers on here actively saying the exact opposite. The cost of initial buy-in and ongoing maintenance of the crates pushed drivers out of the sport. Penn-Ohio gives a weight advantage to the lower powered 602 crates, so one could run a crate in the series, and a lower budget driver could build an engine and run mid-pack. 

 

I'm sure John Garvin and the Thomson's main business would be happy to accommodate Rush's place in racing. 

 

Having said that, I do think that the crate late models put on competitive shows, but to own one of those, you have to be willing to spend big money on a late model and then put an underpowered/less responsive motor in it. Kinda like spending on a Porshe and putting VW motor in it. 



My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill. 


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Posted 14 April 2021 - 12:31 PM

The open stock class is dying. All the DIRT tracks to the north saw the progression downward and changed to the crate motor platform. The class was all but dead ten years ago. They have seen a great resurgence of the Pro Stocks, as well as the Sportsman Modified division.
Locally, we still have the loyalists to open competition. I respect that, me being one of them, however not everyone can afford open competition. I, can no longer afford it, so I have chosen to end my racing career.
I see the place for the RUSH Series, and thank Vicki for her efforts to award those the opportunity to compete at the level they can afford. I also believe the Penn/Ohio Series is a fabulous opportunity for those who can afford to compete at that level.
Some day I can see myself running a Series again, just depends on how big my stimulus check is, haha.

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Crate motors are a costly alternative to super motors in a late model chassis .........rush crate motors are saddled to an authorized rush engine builder who charges for repairs that can be done in the shop and then rush charges for replacement seals ...... it's a shell game .....NOT the driver cost savings they lay claim to ..... but young guys who have never worked on a motor are at the mercy of rush's program ........the semi-late motor program at thunder mountain/hummingbird/hidden valley is a more cost effective alternative to super late motors ........IF you know how to fix/repair/tune/choose your parts and have the knowledge to control your own motor program ...... comparison to new is penny for penny equal ........I.m always in hopes of the crate motor racing dying out in favor of good ole 350 home built motors .....crate motors are great boat anchors and mail box bases ....JMO as always




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Posted 14 April 2021 - 02:49 PM

Crate motors are a costly alternative to super motors in a late model chassis .........rush crate motors are saddled to an authorized rush engine builder who charges for repairs that can be done in the shop and then rush charges for replacement seals ...... it's a shell game .....NOT the driver cost savings they lay claim to ..... but young guys who have never worked on a motor are at the mercy of rush's program ........the semi-late motor program at thunder mountain/hummingbird/hidden valley is a more cost effective alternative to super late motors ........IF you know how to fix/repair/tune/choose your parts and have the knowledge to control your own motor program ...... comparison to new is penny for penny equal ........I.m always in hopes of the crate motor racing dying out in favor of good ole 350 home built motors .....crate motors are great boat anchors and mail box bases ....JMO as always


From what I have seen of the 358 lates being run at the tracks you mention and others you're 100% spot on.
Another added cost saver is the 358 lates are not handcuffed by having to run/use all the mandated "official" fuel, tires, and on and on.
Also zero "membership" fees entry, fees, etc.


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Posted 14 April 2021 - 11:27 PM

Crate motors are a costly alternative to super motors in a late model chassis .........rush crate motors are saddled to an authorized rush engine builder who charges for repairs that can be done in the shop and then rush charges for replacement seals ...... it's a shell game .....NOT the driver cost savings they lay claim to ..... but young guys who have never worked on a motor are at the mercy of rush's program ........the semi-late motor program at thunder mountain/hummingbird/hidden valley is a more cost effective alternative to super late motors ........IF you know how to fix/repair/tune/choose your parts and have the knowledge to control your own motor program ...... comparison to new is penny for penny equal ........I.m always in hopes of the crate motor racing dying out in favor of good ole 350 home built motors .....crate motors are great boat anchors and mail box bases ....JMO as always

Haven't seen them a whole lot. But the times I have, they put on a pretty good show.




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Posted 15 April 2021 - 09:43 AM

I looked into the 358 program. I asked my engine builder what an all new competitive 358 complete would cost. He gave me a price range of 20k-35k, oil pan to carburetor and to include ignition and headers. He said "how fast do you want to go and how long do you want it to last". That's quite a bit more than a crate motor. I enjoy racing of all types. I don't put anyone down for their division, where they race, or a Sanctioning body. Choices are what makes America Great.
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Posted 16 April 2021 - 05:23 AM

Stock stroker. There is the problem, the engine builders in my opinion. There sucking money from customers because guys believe if they don't have it they can't be competitive. 20K to me is high for a 358 let alone 35. Can you blame the engine builder, No, because the guy down the road raised his prices so your shop just gets in line with all the rest.


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Posted 16 April 2021 - 12:21 PM

What kind of 358 are we talking about here? A 358 to run semi lates at Thunder Mountain/Hummigbird/Hidden Valley. A 358 to run BAPS, Hagerstown, Bedford, Port Royal or a 358 to run Mods at Grandview or Big Diamond or in New York. There are a lot of differences. A thunder mtn/HV/Hbird semi late motor shouldn't run you that much. To run Small Block Mods in New York or out east then, yes it probably would. A Late Model Sportsman "358" from central PA is probably somewhere in between depending on what you put in it. 


Edited by Benny K, 16 April 2021 - 12:22 PM.



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Posted 17 April 2021 - 08:53 AM

I looked into the 358 program. I asked my engine builder what an all new competitive 358 complete would cost. He gave me a price range of 20k-35k, oil pan to carburetor and to include ignition and headers. He said "how fast do you want to go and how long do you want it to last". That's quite a bit more than a crate motor. I enjoy racing of all types. I don't put anyone down for their division, where they race, or a Sanctioning body. Choices are what makes America Great.
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"How long do you want it to last?" That's the real question. Buy a Rush motor and it lasts as long as Vicky says it will, period, and when they slow down, you have to pay top $$$ for a refresh. Can you change a head gasket in a crate, or are the heads under sealed bolts? 



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