ramsey31

I believe the answer to your question is no.   All other variables the same, it ill be impossible to gain more  by moving the RR out unless like Legend said, you run backwards.    If you look at the physics of gravity, and centrifugal force generated during a left turn, the center line of the car acts like a lever.   The RR in a left turn situation acts like the fulcrum to the LR.   More like a catapult would.    The closer you move the fulcrum toward the center line, the more weight is loaded, and the easier that weight is to load onto the RR. The further out, the exact opposite, so the transfer of the lever would be slowed.

The available force carried through the turn is the same, the further you move the fulcrum the less Newtons are transferred to the track.    On a LM, you can manipulate the newtons transferred ultimately to the RR tire patch in a few different ways, and accomplish the same thing. 

To really see this is action, watch how often karters will slide rear hubs

I have never once bitched that a track closed.  Even after sponsoring the track, providing services, etc.   Hell our billboard is still there with weeds growing around it.   I love racing, and have been involved my whole life, but I can just as easily do something else to have fun.   My need to sit behind the wheel is not greater than their need to put on a show.

Im not exactly sure that was the case.   Im just not sold that the average tech official has kept up with technology.    I have always played in the gray area, and sometimes it bites me, and others it doesn't.    Most officials get this nice warm fuzzy feeling if they find an obvious "rule infraction" and never care to dig any deeper.   

As Bloomquist himself said....its not cheating if the tech man doesn't know what he is looking for.

Lets just say in the situation of Nate Smith.  If he was running a Davis box, Ill bet $ 20, most tech officials have never even laid eyes on one, let alone know what they are.   If you told them it was an RFI suppression box for the radio....they would probably believe it.

I know people like to bust on this class, but its nice to see an area driver, not afraid to go to every big $ race he can, and WIN.     Fall Nationals, FWD, $5,000 to win and a PA boy brings the money back home!

With a car that has won every where from Susquehanna and Hagerstown to Lernerville and Muskingum County...Now Travelers Rest SC.   I think is safe to say we have one of the top FWD teams right here in PA.

Ace no offense, but the current way your car is built, youd need the rules to go back to the early 90's to be competitive. This isn't Burger King, you don't get the rules how you want them.   I have followed your posts every time "rules" come up, and it would be very convenient if the rules went backwards 10 years because you wouldn't have to do a thing to your car.    My question is, when was the last time you made any type of investment into your car?  

Pure stock or Street Stock, youre spending $ 100-125 a week minimum to run.    Since you haven't ran in some time, you should have a few thousand saved up to update your car right?

While I don't disagree with you Jon, I do not see that happening any time soon.   Again, look at the average age of a car driver in our area.   Im willing to bet there are more in the 35-50 range, than the 18-35 range.   Comparing those stats to say the 60's, 70's and 80's through conversation with both my father and stepfather who raced in those years, that statistic is backward.   That says we are losing the battle.   There is a good chance todays 18-25 yr olds have never driven, let alone ridden in a rwd car.   They have never tore down an engine, or even seen a driveshaft.    We are expecting this age group to magically get involved in a sport where the fuel system of choice hasn't been used in production since the mid 80's.

Look at our age group, are we running around wrenching on flatheads and setting points?   doubtful.   Much like a FWD is not exciting to me, neither is a rwd carburetor fueled car impressive to a kid now a days.   This is the age group our sport needs.   That fine line where a job pays enough to have disposable income, and no real responsibilities to manage financially.

The target market that we would pull from now is busy with $20,000 side-by-sides, and $60,000 pulling trucks.   Lord knows there are no shortage of either in the area, just like there is no shortage of people who want instant gratification that a truck loan or a ATV loan will grant them, where as a racecar will not.

I am a firm believer, our generation will be the last generation to keep the dirt track popular as we know it now.

Like Ive said before, if you look at the car counts of most tracks they are getting less cars, yet have more classes.  Its weird Ive been to races all over the South, and been through the Midwest, both places where racing is big business, and yet overall they have fewer classes of cars....and plenty more in each class.   And the stands can hold 5x the amount of most local tracks.

I think few promoters actually want to see how its being done right elsewhere.  After all that would be admitting that there IS a better way.

Support classes are designed to do 2 things....get people involved in racing, and bring fans into the stands.   If all a track ever did was run Late models they would be out of business very quickly.  That's like saying we should do away with high school and college ball, because those who want to play can make the majors.   How else do you invest in tomorrow unless you give a "economical" stepping stone.

Those who chose to learn the ropes in the top tier classes are the ones who make a demo derby of the class.    IMO, one should have to prove they belong in the top tier classes.  

Maybe they should look at repaying the over 7.5 million that the taxpayers have paid each year to put them in a new arena.   The state (we ) are on the hook for 30 years on that one, and even the 7.5M per year is not covering it.   The farce is that a private business can use forced taxpayer money to build a new arena, to sell the team...for a profit.  Big business is definetly not playing by the rules they force us, smaller businesses to play by.

This is a joke.    Sounds like you are definitely a socialist.   So freaking what if someone schedules the same day?!?    Don't people in this country have a choice where they want to go watch/race?   Maybe the better track will draw the better cars.  No one is forced to do anything, and Im willing to bet you have a direct interest with the "other local track," otherwise you wouldn't waste your time complaining.

In this country, when 1 business has a special, the others don't sit by and wait their turn like in your socialist ideal...they compete likewise.

Let me guess....you also would complain saying that 2nd place on the track shouldn't make a move for first because the driver in the lead already planned to win?

Money spent right can make a better driver.   There is no guarantee.    Money can buy driver training, strength training, and reflex training.   Most NASCAR drivers spend the bulk of a week in the gym.   Why?  1. it makes them a better driver, and 2. Because money allows them to sit in a gym all week.    Money buys experience.  If a 100k/yr crew chief wasn't worth the expense, they would not be needed.   A driver is like the fireman on a steam locomotive.  Fire goes down, driver shovels more coal to bring it up.   The crew chief is looking down the tracks and sees what needs done down the line. Big picture vs Little picture.   In turn, the paid for experience of top help, makes a smarter driver.

Equipment vs Money.   If I am told "drive the balls off the car" and I don't have to worry about anything, Im going to push the car to the limit every time, Im going to see where that breaking point is, and im going to see how long those tires will last because my job is to "drive the damn car."   If my job is to put food on the table, and a roof over my families head-with an occasional side of fun racing, I may never leave my comfort zone pushing it as hard as I can, because id rather bring it home in one piece than to risk running another second faster and parking the car the rest of the year. Hands down, on a broad scale the drivers who put on the best show for the fans and are running like wild on the track, are usually not the ones who have paid for the equipment.

Competition.  You are only as good as your best competitor.   Once a driver steps out of their comfort zone, they show their true skill and talent.  They also learn how to be a better driver because they are competing against different or better drivers.   It takes $$ to travel, and for your crew to travel.  Not everyone has the luxury of 100-150 mile tows to race each week.

I do believe money can make a driver, but only if the driver wants to make themselves a better driver.

Its just as much about the fans as it is the drivers.   Everyone always voices their concern with how to make the show better for the drivers, but why shouldn't the fans who pay the purses have an equal say? The cars bring fans, and the fans bring cars.  The biggest complaint you always hear in the stands is the show is taking forever, and taking 10 minutes to reset the field after each caution at some tracks.  I spent an evening in the booth with a couple scorers and they by far have a very demanding job.   Anything that helps the fans enjoy the show better, and keeps it moving is a win-win for all IMO