babyjesusracing

I am sorry if this ends up being a lengthy post but I guess you don't have to read it.  I am also in no way affiliated with the 28N team, I do know Nate and talk to him on occasion but am no part of his team.

 

Babyjesus you say that Nate was illegal Saturday night and the tech official told you that he was illegal but give him a week and it will be legal.  You have stated that Nate's dad is the tech man and you have never stated anything about anybody else be a tech official, others have established that Denny does not tech the street stocks, so are you saying that Denny (Nates dad) came to you and told you the car was illegal and what the infraction was?

 

I have heard statements from others that after the race the cars were pulled into the infield and Nate wasn't allowed to have photos taken until after he passed tech.  Once in the infield Rich (the track promoter) and Jeremy (the tech official for street stocks) went to Ray Hickock and Jeff Sweeney and said I am tired of getting phone calls about this car being illegal and asked them to come with them to tech the car and witness it.  They proceeded to measure the wheelbase that came out to be equal for both sides of the car in conflict of what you have stated here on a public forum!  They also measured the control arms on the rear of the car which was also found to be legal.  The stuck a magnet on the block and heads which both showed to be steel and legal.  They pulled the distributor cap off to check for traction control and low and behold there was none.  At some point in time they established his car legal and he was awarded the win.  If an official told you his car was illegal which official was it?  How many times this year has he been found illegal and allowed to continue racing as you have claimed?  What were the infractions?

 

Babyjesus you have a Pro-1 street stock chassis advertised for sale on the classifieds of this board.  Did you purchase this chassis new from Dave Kline Motorsports?  Do you have any photos of the chassis?  If you don't mind me asking who did you purchase this car from?  Have you ever been in contact with Dave Kline Motorsports to confirm that your car is indeed a Pro-1 car?  I have been told that the car you have for sale is not a Pro-1 chassis and was just curious if you were snookered when you purchased the car, whether you are trying to defraud someone else intentionally or if possibly the car is a Pro-1?  There haven't been many chassis come out of that shop so it's not hard to account for them all.

 

Nate raced at Lernerville last year and was doing pretty good for himself before he ran into problems, contrary to recent statements that he has never been to Lernerville.  He has also won I believe 2 Chilli bowl races at tracks other then MCS or DHS.  At Marion Center they redraw the top 6 from the heat races to establish the starting order for the feature, therefore if Nate hasn't had to start at the back of a feature it is because he has done well for himself in heat races.  Just 2 or 3 weeks ago in the makeup feature Nate started dead last and won.

 

If you go to the Dave Kline Motorsports Facebook page you can see several pictures of the car being built in several different stages of completion.  Looking at the pictures anyone can see that it is a stock Monte Carlo frame with the very rear clip of the car replaced with rectangular tubing to mount the fuel cell.  The car uses the stock control arm mounting points on the front and rear of the frame.  I am not quite sure how this makes his car a late model and that he needs to run the car with late models?  The frame that was used was the frame from the strictly stock car that Nate campaigned that was actually twisted.  Babyjesus also claimed earlier that this car is a house car and the Smith's don't have any money in it, that is absolutely false.  I know for a fact that Denny ordered the chassis and paid for it in addition to bringing the frame for the car.

 

The engine was built by Nate's father in their garage.  Helman's machine did the machine work to the engine and Denny did the rest.  I am sure that they used quality parts in the engine but I am also sure it did not cost near as much as some of the guys' engines that they compete against.  I have heard dollar amounts that guys have spent to have race engine shops build their motors and it is ridiculous.  If you ask Nate I am sure he will tell you that you have to have 800 horsepower in your motor to compete as he walks away smiling and laughing at you.

 

 Denny drives water truck for an oilfield company working long hours during the week and Nate has recently graduated high school and completed higher education before landing a pretty good job, unfortunately he is now laid off.  The claims of large amounts of money being dumped into the car just doesn't seem to tread water.  Up until this year they hauled to the races on an old rollback and over the winter Nate purchased a cheap used enclosed trailer that they haul with.  They used the money they had wisely and invested into the car.  There is a guy racing at Marion Center that pulls in with a big fancy truck and a brand new fancy spread axle trailer and he isn't even close to being a threat to win. 

 

I know Nate would love to travel to bigger races but a lot of them just don't make sense financially.  And if you live close to two tracks and plan to race there would you build your car to race competitively at those two tracks or would you build them to run 3 or 4 specials that you may lose money just travelling to?

 

There is a very good article by Kristin Swartzlander and anybody who subscribes to her blog will know why it is appropriate here.

oh and i personally know that guy you are talking about with the fancy truck and spead axle trailor his car is 100 percent legal and maybe that why all the closer he can get is 3 since he is no threat to winning (here is a suggestion to you y don't you go and say that to that guys face and see what he says to you with a smile on his face)

I am sorry if this ends up being a lengthy post but I guess you don't have to read it.  I am also in no way affiliated with the 28N team, I do know Nate and talk to him on occasion but am no part of his team.

 

Babyjesus you say that Nate was illegal Saturday night and the tech official told you that he was illegal but give him a week and it will be legal.  You have stated that Nate's dad is the tech man and you have never stated anything about anybody else be a tech official, others have established that Denny does not tech the street stocks, so are you saying that Denny (Nates dad) came to you and told you the car was illegal and what the infraction was?

 

I have heard statements from others that after the race the cars were pulled into the infield and Nate wasn't allowed to have photos taken until after he passed tech.  Once in the infield Rich (the track promoter) and Jeremy (the tech official for street stocks) went to Ray Hickock and Jeff Sweeney and said I am tired of getting phone calls about this car being illegal and asked them to come with them to tech the car and witness it.  They proceeded to measure the wheelbase that came out to be equal for both sides of the car in conflict of what you have stated here on a public forum!  They also measured the control arms on the rear of the car which was also found to be legal.  The stuck a magnet on the block and heads which both showed to be steel and legal.  They pulled the distributor cap off to check for traction control and low and behold there was none.  At some point in time they established his car legal and he was awarded the win.  If an official told you his car was illegal which official was it?  How many times this year has he been found illegal and allowed to continue racing as you have claimed?  What were the infractions?

 

Babyjesus you have a Pro-1 street stock chassis advertised for sale on the classifieds of this board.  Did you purchase this chassis new from Dave Kline Motorsports?  Do you have any photos of the chassis?  If you don't mind me asking who did you purchase this car from?  Have you ever been in contact with Dave Kline Motorsports to confirm that your car is indeed a Pro-1 car?  I have been told that the car you have for sale is not a Pro-1 chassis and was just curious if you were snookered when you purchased the car, whether you are trying to defraud someone else intentionally or if possibly the car is a Pro-1?  There haven't been many chassis come out of that shop so it's not hard to account for them all.

 

Nate raced at Lernerville last year and was doing pretty good for himself before he ran into problems, contrary to recent statements that he has never been to Lernerville.  He has also won I believe 2 Chilli bowl races at tracks other then MCS or DHS.  At Marion Center they redraw the top 6 from the heat races to establish the starting order for the feature, therefore if Nate hasn't had to start at the back of a feature it is because he has done well for himself in heat races.  Just 2 or 3 weeks ago in the makeup feature Nate started dead last and won.

 

If you go to the Dave Kline Motorsports Facebook page you can see several pictures of the car being built in several different stages of completion.  Looking at the pictures anyone can see that it is a stock Monte Carlo frame with the very rear clip of the car replaced with rectangular tubing to mount the fuel cell.  The car uses the stock control arm mounting points on the front and rear of the frame.  I am not quite sure how this makes his car a late model and that he needs to run the car with late models?  The frame that was used was the frame from the strictly stock car that Nate campaigned that was actually twisted.  Babyjesus also claimed earlier that this car is a house car and the Smith's don't have any money in it, that is absolutely false.  I know for a fact that Denny ordered the chassis and paid for it in addition to bringing the frame for the car.

 

The engine was built by Nate's father in their garage.  Helman's machine did the machine work to the engine and Denny did the rest.  I am sure that they used quality parts in the engine but I am also sure it did not cost near as much as some of the guys' engines that they compete against.  I have heard dollar amounts that guys have spent to have race engine shops build their motors and it is ridiculous.  If you ask Nate I am sure he will tell you that you have to have 800 horsepower in your motor to compete as he walks away smiling and laughing at you.

 

 Denny drives water truck for an oilfield company working long hours during the week and Nate has recently graduated high school and completed higher education before landing a pretty good job, unfortunately he is now laid off.  The claims of large amounts of money being dumped into the car just doesn't seem to tread water.  Up until this year they hauled to the races on an old rollback and over the winter Nate purchased a cheap used enclosed trailer that they haul with.  They used the money they had wisely and invested into the car.  There is a guy racing at Marion Center that pulls in with a big fancy truck and a brand new fancy spread axle trailer and he isn't even close to being a threat to win. 

 

I know Nate would love to travel to bigger races but a lot of them just don't make sense financially.  And if you live close to two tracks and plan to race there would you build your car to race competitively at those two tracks or would you build them to run 3 or 4 specials that you may lose money just travelling to?

 

There is a very good article by Kristin Swartzlander and anybody who subscribes to her blog will know why it is appropriate here.

first and for most i never said anything about nates dad so untill you get your facts straight its not worth  my time to argue with you 2nd yes i did have a pro 1 strreet stock for sale it is an 06 so if you no anything about racing and chassis builders they change the way they build cars form year to year and some chassis are built the we the driver/owner wants them so with that being said you are wrong oh and my car was sold the suppossed none pro1

bottom line is  the suspention rules are not clear he is run spring loaded upper trailing arms on the rear that no one can find the rules say any aftermarket trailing arms but if no one can find them are they truely after market. the rules also say wheel base must match left to right but as someone stated earlier if you move the lower trailing arms up or down (witch is allowed) its not going to. so in my opinion these tracks all need to get together and have a clear set of suspention rules so there will be no arguement on what is legal and what is not. i will say when is the last time anyone has seen one guy win every race and be legal (there is something its just got to be found) Marion center says they hired a tech guy and all cars better be to the rules for next week (well i have heard this before and my guess will be there will be no tech the rest of the year)

all they really have to do is scope that motor rules say flat top pistons (of course rules only apply to some and not all)

His dad is not the tech man for that class! I agree with Legend if everyone believes he is doing something to his car that makes it faster than theirs why don't they change their cars? Instead of taking your car home leaving it loaded up try getting it off the trailer and make changes to it. They don't get faster without working on them and just complaining about someone else car being faster.

beleave me most of the ss that run marion center don't sit on their trailors and they are worked on every week you can only chase a guy so many weeks till mentally u ask the ? what is he doing that i'm not the answer is (cheating) then you hear it said not once but twice by the supposed to be tech guys that he is not legal but give him another week so then they won't tech again the rest of the year