6tixride

hell no on Keith.... Wish Dave Hess still was a regular however...

Well I might be a little byist with Keith,but what I respect most about him is he does it his way and with alot less $ than those other great drivers. I also like his driving style (bulldozer??!!LOLmaybe butnotlately) and he drives a MBH & WO/ world renoun engine builder. Also watched him win 3 or 4 races in a row at ppms this year and do very well in the Pittsburgher with his domhoff back up motor.

Dave Hess too, is/was a great wheel man in any car.

 

Add Russ King, and those three are head and shoulders above everybody else.

Keith Barbara? and I agree with the other 3 too!

Traction control?? lol... Rev limiter?? lol, so what...exotic parts?? lol... Listen, I dont know him at all but He's just a good driver that has his shit figured out!!! There's only so much you can do to these cars. It's all about balance! Smooth power, smooth driver, balanced race car, and tire prep. Now thats not easily achieved either. I personaly haven't figured out everything yet and even if I do there will always be someone that just might be a little better. I'll just take Chris Schnieder for example.( I know him very well and he answers all my questions) There is nothing exotic on his car, nothing special about his motor( except for his cam selection). Hell, Chris has had the same rf spring and stock lowers since he built his car probably 10 years ago! He just got his shit figured out and wins a ton of races!!

Alright Jon, this is how it is from personal experience.(35 years of consecitive dirt and drag racing) We've built and bought every type of motors over the years. In my opinion the most your going to spend on an all steel 23 degree engine w/ a good after market block, jessels, dart cnc ported 230 heads, best crank, ect. is 15000. ( everything new and professionally built ) If you spend any more than that then you might me crazy or being over charged. We had an 383 engine built all new from top to bottom with an aftermarket block, callies crank, dart platinum heads, no expense spared and dyno'd for 9500 at broughers.(hated the motor- to much cam n tourqe). We've also bought a used 421 full roller, dart cnc 230 ported heads, motown block, jessels, best of everthing motor for 5000 off a winning steel block late model guy. That motor probably had an realistic 650+ hp, it was super fast but couldn't hook it up either.( only raced it a few times n lost oil pressure n currently gettn rebuilt w/ a milder cam). The best I've done in an stock car was with a smaller 358 engine! hell of alot easier to hook up! Theres nothing worse than trying too hook up a beast of a motor in the stock class. I've gone thru changing the setup a million times, de-tuning the motor with timing, 2 barrels, restrictor plates, ect. nothing worked! My dad and I battle it out at the shop all the time about this. He's from the old school drag racing days bigger is better. I think he's finally starting to come around n listen to me.(we'll see!) And by the way my dad does assemble n tune all of ours engines himself.

      As for this crate deal, i dont hate on the engine itself. I just hate for the guys like us that have 5 of everything on the shelf and loves build n tune themselves get that stripped from them by mandating crates only. As for the lernerville guys, most of them been racing there soo long that they got multiple engines or parts sitting there and they can build them up for alot less than 6000+ dollars its going to take to race a crate.

Craig Koteles 64k

Vince, you sure are nit picking. So what if there charging $75 pit fee & $15 entry fee. Where going there to race and watch a good late model show! Its a bonus that their having support classes. Do you really that us racers really care about $50-$100? If you do, your in the wrong hobby or sport. Its the end of the year and were just happy that we got somewhere to race and watch a good show. I believe your in the minority on the one.

Craig 64k