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[hiwayman]

there is a reason that most tracks in ohio dont run nonwing sprints, its like watchin paint dry , you dont drive a non wing car you just throw it in the corner. not to much skill in that, and the non wing drivers that show up at waynesfield -most of them couldnt make a feature in indiana, thats the only reason that they race there, it shure isnt for the money>>>><<<<<.........................................................this is winged sprint car country period.......................................................................... ..............................................................

[MWestfallfan54]

i have a quote my uncle danny who raced and owned sprints for many years in the 70's and 80's. Wing sprints are for the guy's that can't handle real racing,it takes more talent to drive a non-wing sprint than it does one with a wing and all that down force.jmo

I couldn't agree more with your Uncle Danny. A nonwing car actually takes a driver, they don't have a wing to keep them on the track and help them turn.

[MWestfallfan54]

there is a reason that most tracks in ohio dont run nonwing sprints, its like watchin paint dry , you dont drive a non wing car you just throw it in the corner. not to much skill in that, and the non wing drivers that show up at waynesfield -most of them couldnt make a feature in indiana, thats the only reason that they race there, it shure isnt for the money>>>><<<<<.........................................................this is winged sprint car country period..........................................................................
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Your an idiot. I would like to see you go out there and "throw" a nonwing sprint into the corner, I guarantee you would spin out. It takes way more of a driver to drive a nonwing.

Have you ever taken into account the costs to haul a racecar to and from Indiana every weekend when most of the guys that race Waynesfield are from Ohio? My guess is no. Most of the guys that race at Waynesfield do it for the fun and don't have the money to haul to Indiana all the time like you think they should.

[compact racer]

Your an idiot. I would like to see you go out there and "throw" a nonwing sprint into the corner, I guarantee you would spin out. It takes way more of a driver to drive a nonwing.

Have you ever taken into account the costs to haul a racecar to and from Indiana every weekend when most of the guys that race Waynesfield are from Ohio? My guess is no. Most of the guys that race at Waynesfield do it for the fun and don't have the money to haul to Indiana all the time like you think they should.

It seems some of the winged sprint guys believe they're the only ones in the world that matters. The rest of the racers are just bums. Oh well everyone has their own opinion. When the track tells the rest of us not to come back then we'll have to cross that bridge. Seems funny though the track was built for and on the trucks minis compacts and stocks and was the local track for the little guys. The fact is WRP is a growing track and is not the big E yet. I hear a lot of rumors about next yr so we will see. Maybe some will get their way and all us bums will be gone.

[blackflagmanwhaa]

Dont forget stockcars is what helped WRP to grow. WRP is a 1/3 mile track lima a 1/4, limas track doesnt get tore up by the stocks, . Yes non wing counts are up but if you remember when they started they only had 3. But by running them every week it has grown. They said stocks and 360,s werent getting enought cars, Running stocks against eldora bad call. Eldora has cut way back on their stockcar races. Jump on the wagon and bring them back. Even with low counts at Lima they put on a good show. The last race 18 trucks - use to get that many 360,s but it costs more money for a pay out, but they have a big fan base. 13 compacs ?? I thought this class was suppose to grow. 21 mini sprints , some times they have had less. Mini sprints ( dont always have that many but it is a exciting class)) and compacs counts have been down but they are still there , LOW PAYOUTS My point run non wing and 360,s every other week Run mods when eldora is not running. Run the stock cars. when eldoras not Then fill in with minisprints, trucks and compacs on weeks when stocks or mods dont run. How many times have you watched when sprints are over people start to leave. 3 support groups with low payouts on any given night doesnt put fans in a stand , it might help the tracks pocket in payouts but for fans. Have you ever watched when Tony anderson wins at lima some times you will see 20 people come out of the pits for the pictures 25 bucks times 20 ( that right there pays for Tonys win). Enought said where is Tony we know. Even if winged sprints, and stock counts are down they have a big fan base, then the mods have a good draw. The non wing speaks for its self by running them a lot it has grown. I know its hard to have a small crowd and payout big money, But you have to start at what fans want to see. people complain about about lima running the same every week but look at their crowd its there. I want to see WRP make it but give the fans what they want. To many big pay out shows can kill a track. We have to remember its a bad economy.

[blackflagmanwhaa]

It seems some of the winged sprint guys believe they're the only ones in the world that matters. The rest of the racers are just bums. Oh well everyone has their own opinion. When the track tells the rest of us not to come back then we'll have to cross that bridge. Seems funny though the track was built for and on the trucks minis compacts and stocks and was the local track for the little guys. The fact is WRP is a growing track and is not the big E yet. I hear a lot of rumors about next yr so we will see. Maybe some will get their way and all us bums will be gone.

No one wants to see any one go but a night of low pay out of 3 groups of mini sprints , trucks and compacs, is not the way to go. each class puts on a good show but talk from some fans is time to go get some thing to eat. Those mini sprints have a little bit of money in their cars, and is a great stepping stone for moving up or when you cant afford a sprint car.

Run wing or non wing,--- mods or stocks,-- then fill in with 2 others form trucks, compacs , or mini sprints.

Jack Hewitt classic with that kind of a payout only 29 cars. It shouldnt of been on the same night as a usac show , you would of had a higher car count. It was some great racing but just about the same regulars.

Edited by blackflagmanwhaa, 22 August 2010 - 08:44 PM.

[Need for Speed]

There were more fans in the stands for the Jack Hewitt Classic (non-wing race) than there were for the All Star Sprintweek race (wingers). Thomas Meseraul is a regular at WRP...the night before the Hewitt Classic, he won the feature at Gas City. This past Friday night, Matt Westfall run 2nd at Gas City. This whole 'WRP non wing guys can't win in Indiana' is total BS!! And so is 'there is nothing to driving a non-wing car' Along with 'watching non-wing sprints is like watching paint dry' WTH are you watching???? The action is on the track dude! Anyone who said the Hewitt Classic race was boring has a mental problem. Anyone who said it was simple to just throw the car in the corner, and win the Hewitt Classic, must not know what drivers with 'big balls' look like, because they sure as hell needed them to run up front that night!! The wings are OK (sometimes), but there are plenty of other tracks running them on Sat. night. And those places would love to have 'racing experts' like 'dirt track mania' and 'hiwayman' in their grandstands. Actually, I would love to see these two experts buy sprinters, and show the WRP non-wing regulars how easy it is to beat them....LMAO!!

Edited by Need for Speed, 22 August 2010 - 10:07 PM.

[Need for Speed]

blackflagmanwhaa: USAC instituted a 'Non-Competing' clause this year. Plus the Non-Wing Nationals were starting at Knoxville, Belleville was running the Midget Nationals, and Lawrenceburg was running a '2 day race' because of a make up from a rain out....(guys higher up in their points were going to go there of course) One of the Simon cars blew an engine at Eldora the previous Sat (so Scotty Weir didn't have a ride), and one of the top guys from Michigan started a new job, and had to work the whole weekend. All of those things add up to a few less cars. But can you honestly say you didn't see an absolutely great feature??? A guy coming from the promoters provisional starting spot to the top 5, 2 and 3 wide racing all race long, multiple slide jobs, guys running the hell out of the top and a guy staying right with them on the bottom, etc, etc. It wouldn't have mattered if 100 cars showed up, that feature was excellent!!

Edited by Need for Speed, 22 August 2010 - 10:06 PM.

[blackflagmanwhaa]

blackflagmanwhaa: USAC instituted a 'Non-Competing' clause this year. Plus the Non-Wing Nationals were starting at Knoxville, Belleville was running the Midget Nationals, and Lawrenceburg was running a '2 day race' because of a make up from a rain out....(guys higher up in their points were going to go there of course) One of the Simon cars blew an engine at Eldora the previous Sat (so Scotty Weir didn't have a ride), and one of the top guys from Michigan started a new job, and had to work the whole weekend. All of those things add up to a few less cars.

But can you honestly say you didn't see an absolutely great feature??? A guy coming from the promoters provisional starting spot to the top 5, 2 and 3 wide racing all race long, multiple slide jobs, guys running the hell out of the top and a guy staying right with them on the bottom, etc, etc.

It wouldn't have mattered if 100 cars showed up, that feature was excellent!!

Like i said even with 29 cars it was a awesome race , just would of like to of seen it run with out any other shows going on. Great show!!!

[dirt track maniac]

ya wanna get more drivers and fans? set a schedule and dont change it. and first three races of the year should be big money to win for each class. this does several things...gets drivers attention right off the bat and should bring cars in. then since you have a good car count first three weeks guys will be tempted to run at WRP for points. not many do right now. and I would make pit passes $20 first three weeks. Again this makes things seem your like trying to accomodate the avg racer. And I would go to limaland staff and make a few nights where you run combined points that has a top five payout for 3-4 weekends for racing both tracks. Also lets ask limaland to advertise our track and WRP will do the same. And finally add something for fans...like bring your limalnd ticket and get $2 off at the gate and Limaland do that also. look folks want racing. give it to them..but listen to what they say...they speak with there money..and right no they aint talkin to WRP

[witness_23]

It takes more skill to drive a non wing sprinter thats true but also its true that people dont want to sit in the stands for 3 support classes. Cut out the compacts almost no one likes to watch them at all. Add the mods on a weekly basis i mean a weekly show of non wings, mods, minis and trucks would be awesome. JMO but the compacts only have like one or two cars that can win a show and its boring to watch them. Stick with the mods and they will start coming. I also agree that you cant get rid of the trucks at WRP that class is a WRP signature class

[compact racer]

It takes more skill to drive a non wing sprinter thats true but also its true that people dont want to sit in the stands for 3 support classes. Cut out the compacts almost no one likes to watch them at all. Add the mods on a weekly basis i mean a weekly show of non wings, mods, minis and trucks would be awesome. JMO but the compacts only have like one or two cars that can win a show and its boring to watch them. Stick with the mods and they will start coming. I also agree that you cant get rid of the trucks at WRP that class is a WRP signature class

Well when you use your power to get rid of them let me know. I'd like to get a head start on my next plan. Sorry you feel the way you do about our class but there has been four different winners in six different cars but then I know you don't watch anyway.

[wrench 1]

Maybe they should run the same classes as limaland and have a point series like attica and fremont does and have a different suport class every week . i think you would get fans and cars.

[OGRE]

I think the compacts are a great class for young kids to start out in. Everyone knows that my son is now racing in the class thanks to the Tuttles (& Butlers). I couldn't afford to get him in anything else right now so the compacts were the way to go for him. At Oakshade they take it one step further, since they say it is truely a beginner class they have an age limit on drivers. I'm not saying we should do that but maybe since people think only a handful of cars can win maybe we should start the winners at the tail the following week. Or if you win 4 or 5 features then it's time to move up a class. Compacts are a hard class to justify getting rid of because they pay for themsleves and they bring in quite the following. If you've ever seen the following that Frazier's bring in then you'll know what I mean. Heck my son brings in 6 paying customers every week plus he pays his $25 to get in every week just like everyone else. Maybe a rotation will work best. Compacts one week and trucks the next week. I know many of the trucks were saying that we have too many races for them right now and the ones that have damage are getting burned out getting them to the track every week hence the reason the counts have been down a little. Me personally here is what I'd like to see: Non-Wingers & Mods every week with a support class. About 5 or 6 shows that have Non Wingers, 360's and Mini's along with a support class. I say run three classes of cars each week and drop the gate to $10 grandstand and $20 pitside. We still need the signature races such as the Hewitt. I've also been a proponent of having the stocks back. However, I think we give them the option of running mod tires (which they all will) and allow trucks to run with them. If the trucks run I say they all have to weigh 3,000# but if a truck is running 4bbl and aluminum intake then is has to add 100#.

[compact racer]

I think the compacts are a great class for young kids to start out in. Everyone knows that my son is now racing in the class thanks to the Tuttles (& Butlers). I couldn't afford to get him in anything else right now so the compacts were the way to go for him.

At Oakshade they take it one step further, since they say it is truely a beginner class they have an age limit on drivers. I'm not saying we should do that but maybe since people think only a handful of cars can win maybe we should start the winners at the tail the following week. Or if you win 4 or 5 features then it's time to move up a class. Compacts are a hard class to justify getting rid of because they pay for themsleves and they bring in quite the following. If you've ever seen the following that Frazier's bring in then you'll know what I mean. Heck my son brings in 6 paying customers every week plus he pays his $25 to get in every week just like everyone else.

Maybe a rotation will work best. Compacts one week and trucks the next week. I know many of the trucks were saying that we have too many races for them right now and the ones that have damage are getting burned out getting them to the track every week hence the reason the counts have been down a little.

Me personally here is what I'd like to see: Non-Wingers & Mods every week with a support class. About 5 or 6 shows that have Non Wingers, 360's and Mini's along with a support class. I say run three classes of cars each week and drop the gate to $10 grandstand and $20 pitside. We still need the signature races such as the Hewitt.

I've also been a proponent of having the stocks back. However, I think we give them the option of running mod tires (which they all will) and allow trucks to run with them. If the trucks run I say they all have to weigh 3,000# but if a truck is running 4bbl and aluminum intake then is has to add 100#.

I like your ideas OGRE. I never thought we'd be on the schedual every week and I can see where the truck guys are coming from. I'm sure ther are some who want to race every week though. I know keeping 3 or 4 compacts at the track every week is killing me but I feel I have too. The thing is you have half crying about changing the schedual and the other half crying to get it changed. The compact class is perfect for the young racer or the guy who wants to race as a pure hobby and the trucks are a good next step. What I see as a problem is it's a big leap to the next thing. Therefore the need for the stocks. Like you say the compacts have a good little groupe following. It would be ashame to chase them away. I keep hearing that Dean will not be back next yr and that would be ashame as I feel the constant change of promoters has been the factor working against WRP over the yrs. I just wish I could see the future cause all the up in the air questions just cause more questions.

[slide22]

Hell I'd rather see compacts than mod's. They run a quick program and don't tear up the track that bad. Its very rare you see a mod race without 7-8 cautions.

[Dirtracer48]

there is a reason that most tracks in ohio dont run nonwing sprints, its like watchin paint dry , you dont drive a non wing car you just throw it in the corner. not to much skill in that, and the non wing drivers that show up at waynesfield -most of them couldnt make a feature in indiana, thats the only reason that they race there, it shure isnt for the money>>>><<<<<.........................................................this is winged sprint car country period..........................................................................
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lol...I will assume this is either a troll attack trying to get a rise out of people, or just someone who doesn't know their head from their elbow when it comes to racing. Being that I've drive stocks, mods, winged, and wingless sprints.....the only car that required as much input and finesse as wingless was the mod, and that was on a black slick track with poor handling.

I -WISH- it were that easy to run at waynesfield....Westfall, Mesurall, Ott, Simons, Weir...and a host of other great cars and drivers. While Indiana is the wingless king of the US, waynesfield has done a hell of a job establishing topless racing in NW Ohio. One of the best shows to see anywhere around....

To argue which is harder, winged or wingless....is a senseless argument. It's just worlds different. If the setup is right on most tracks you can just about flatfoot a winged car and just keep it in bounds. A wingless car you're always going to have to pedal and chase the wheel. Neither is easy, just have to chase the wheel and pedal a wingless car a little more.

As for support classes, book 10 of them and I will watch 10 of them. Hell, I'll drive any of them...anyone hiring???

Edited by Dirtracer48, 23 August 2010 - 08:03 PM.

[racer50]

It was said on here the rumor is Dean won't be back next year, so why don't all you complainers on here pool your money and run this track. I hear it on here and also hear it in the stands ( If I were running this track I'd do this or that)Everyone has the answers on how to run this track but don't have the b---s to do it. Bottom line it's always easy if your not the one doing it.

[Dr. Speedy]

I personally would like to see Dean stay. I think that he's really trying to make something of the place. Searching for the right classes to run on a regular basis is a good thing. The idea of a racetrack is to entertain, and make a profit after paying personel, ambulance, liability insurance, electric, payout, etc. If it comes out of Dean's pocket every week If he leaves I can't say i blame him. This year has been a bad year for rain-outs and you all know that. You didn't believe him on that Saturday they had photos of standing water all over. Well, there is a lot of work in prep, and if you don't get a crowd because of threat of rain, then it's a losing deal all the way around. I talked to him that nite at Eldora, and in no way was he happy about the situation. He can't help what the weather does, he's frustrated too. I just hope the rest of the season is better for everyone, fans, competitors and promoter. JMO

[ACTS1:8]

Me personally here is what I'd like to see: Non-Wingers & Mods every week with a support class. About 5 or 6 shows that have Non Wingers, 360's and Mini's along with a support class. I say run three classes of cars each week and drop the gate to $10 grandstand and $20 pitside. We still need the signature races such as the Hewitt That sounds like a terrific schedule, Danny! ... just gotta get more people there to pay the purse required for this. I have a friend at work that quit going the WRP because the price for gen adm went up two bucks ... no kidding!?!