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[Dirtinacircle]

Car counts are not the problem . I would rather have a track with 1000 fans to watch 50 cars .... then 50 fans to watch 1000 cars . Heck if you can get the stands full with 10 cars that would be a good problem to have. lol There are a lot of tracks that don't want to many cars , they like somewhere around 25 to 30 cars so they don't have to run to many b or c-mains . But in the end fans have to buy what your selling, and if they were ...we would not be talking about this now. You have to have thick skin to be a promoter or manager ask Bob fricke . He has been beat up on Racestud as bad as anyone. But Bob has thick skin !!! He doesn't change the formula because of Racestud Message boards ..... if racers , fans , and busineses support the track then he is doing the job !!! but there is always room for improvement .

[intimidator 1]

I'm no rocket scientist, just a racer and I do know I'll go to a track that advertises its going to be open.WRP did not do this, the big dog was an enbarrassment. There was NO advertisement for this race, I talk to people later that would have come if anyone would have got the word out. You have to lay blame with the promoter, and he ownes the mid-american now????????????????? come on is this the first time he's run a track??? I like the track and hope it keeps going but it cost money to make money. And a side note you only need one starter class the one with the good numbers, if you can't get twenty or more drop the class. also you cut the pay from last year and you'll cut your throat, mods and sprints WILL GO elsewhere

[Need for Speed]

Bob Fricke is an idiot. The LAST thing WRP needs, is Bob Fricke, or anyone else like him!

WRP's revolving door of promoters, and the changing of the schedule (even though some of it was needed/had to be done), has hurt the place more than anything else.

First off, I will plainly and flatly say, I LOVE non-wing sprint cars. That's what I grew up watching, and would still rather watch more than anything else (along with Champ Dirt cars, and midgets...AKA USAC cars)

WRP has a good turn out of them, and they put on some of the best racing I have ever seen. Matter of fact, in 2009 I finally conned a guy into going to WRP. The man was the sponsor of the USAC sprint car champion in 1975, but had stopped going to the races because of 'it's too damn dusty nowdays', and 'they have become 'follow the leader boring high speed parades'. After the sprint feature that first night at WRP, Sam stood up, and announced "That was the best sprint car feature I think I've ever seen in my life!!!". Pretty powerful coming from a man that had seen races from coast to coast for over 60 years!

I personally am tired of people -still- crying for the return of the stock cars. I've got nothing against the stocks, or the guys who run them, but like it has been stated on here many times before, less than 15 cars showing up is a joke. Nobody can fault the guys -who did- bring their cars to run at WRP, the 'fault' lies with the folks -who did not- bring their cars to race at WRP.

And truth be told, the same goes for the winged 360s. Where the hell are they at on the nights WRP has run them? I've been to 5 wing 360 races at WRP...the biggest car count they had was 17 IIRC. And there were no more fans in the stands those nights, than there were for any other weekly show. Sorry, I don't buy the BS of 'If they would run the wing 360s every week, the pits and the stands would be full'....... WRP has run the winged 360 the very next night after LMP has run them. Where were the cars and the fans? Ohio is full of 410-360-305 winged tracks. Is there a law that says the state of OH can't have a weekly non-wing track? The biggest races WRP has ever had, have been the All-Star Speedweek shows, and the Jack Hewitt Classic races.

Speedweek has a 'following'. People follow the series, and go to all of the races, and some of those folks have went for every year, or several years...plus as anybody who knows about sprint cars knows, the All-Stars are pretty much the same as/pretty damn close to, the Outlaws.

The Hewitt Classic, is a 1 day show, is non-sanctioned/open competition, and has only been held at WRP for 2 years. Both years the stands were FULL!! And the racing has been top shelf (just like it is every week).

What WRP should look into, is co-promoting with Gas City, and Kokomo. Then guys could run 3 nights on the weekend, at 1/4 mile tracks, all within 125 miles of each other. (Gas City runs Friday Lawrenceburg runs Saturday, they are 143 miles apart, Putnamville also runs Sat., GC to Put is 126 miles, but WRP is only 95 miles from GC)

Like Landon said, this year, Dean stepped on his winky, when he scheduled the race the day before OSKY (BIG paying race in Iowa), and right before the non-wing nationals at Knoxville. Plus USAC kinda screwed any track running non-wing, when they adopted a 'non-competition clause'. The clause basically said, any USAC driver running for 'National Driving Champion' is not allowed to race 24 hours prior to, or 24 hours following a USAC race, at a track that doesn't have at least 1 USAC date, if that track is located within 200 miles of the track that did host a USAC race.

WRP is within 200 miles of Lawrenceburg, Bloomington, Gas City, Kokomo, Winchester, and Toledo=strike 1

All of those tracks run either Friday, Saturday, or Sunday...which is within 24 hours before or after=strike 2

All of those tracks had at least 1 USAC date, and WRP did not=strike 3, as far as a USAC driver chasing the championship is concerned.

That is why you didn't see any USAC regulars at WRP in 2010, yet WRP still had 30 sprinters on average.

As far as the compacts go.....let um' race! What is their purse....virtually nothing! They have just as many cars showing up as the stock cars did. Folks want to complain about what does and does not put butts in the seats.... the night Jeff Kimes started from the rear of the Compact feature, for a bonus if he won, I counted 28 adults (and several more 'kids') in the section over from us, that had on green and white homemade 'KIMES 31' shirts. That's $336 in admission alone!!! not counting what those folks spent at the concessions.

The folks complaining about attendance....
1-How many people have you brought along with you to WRP?
2-How many of them had never been to a race before?
3-How many people do you know who used to go to the races, but had stopped...and since you brought them, they now come every week?
4-Have those people also brought some of their friends, who too had quit going to the races?
5-Have you brough kids along with you, and then taken those kids into the pits after the races were over, to see the race cars, and meet the people who drive/drove them?

I personally have positive answers for all 5 questions, what about you?

Edited by Need for Speed, 05 December 2010 - 04:33 PM.

[Dr. Speedy]

Well, N for S, I'm afraid I have to agree with you on almost every word you said. Look at all the trouble there has been on trying to re-open Millstream. It can't be easy to be a promoter these days and the economy has a lot to do with it also. Finding sponsors for a track(that want to get the besy advertising for their buck) is hard especially with Eldora right around the corner, and other established tracks in the area. WMP is a great bull-ring, very competetive track. I hope Greg and the crew can get something going there this coming season.

[hiwayman]

Bob Fricke is an idiot. The LAST thing WRP needs, is Bob Fricke, or anyone else like him!

WRP's revolving door of promoters, and the changing of the schedule (even though some of it was needed/had to be done), has hurt the place more than anything else.

First off, I will plainly and flatly say, I LOVE non-wing sprint cars. That's what I grew up watching, and would still rather watch more than anything else (along with Champ Dirt cars, and midgets...AKA USAC cars)

WRP has a good turn out of them, and they put on some of the best racing I have ever seen. Matter of fact, in 2009 I finally conned a guy into going to WRP. The man was the sponsor of the USAC sprint car champion in 1975, but had stopped going to the races because of 'it's too damn dusty nowdays', and 'they have become 'follow the leader boring high speed parades'. After the sprint feature that first night at WRP, Sam stood up, and announced "That was the best sprint car feature I think I've ever seen in my life!!!". Pretty powerful coming from a man that had seen races from coast to coast for over 60 years!

I personally am tired of people -still- crying for the return of the stock cars. I've got nothing against the stocks, or the guys who run them, but like it has been stated on here many times before, less than 15 cars showing up is a joke. Nobody can fault the guys -who did- bring their cars to run at WRP, the 'fault' lies with the folks -who did not- bring their cars to race at WRP.

And truth be told, the same goes for the winged 360s. Where the hell are they at on the nights WRP has run them? I've been to 5 wing 360 races at WRP...the biggest car count they had was 17 IIRC. And there were no more fans in the stands those nights, than there were for any other weekly show. Sorry, I don't buy the BS of 'If they would run the wing 360s every week, the pits and the stands would be full'....... WRP has run the winged 360 the very next night after LMP has run them. Where were the cars and the fans? Ohio is full of 410-360-305 winged tracks. Is there a law that says the state of OH can't have a weekly non-wing track? The biggest races WRP has ever had, have been the All-Star Speedweek shows, and the Jack Hewitt Classic races.

Speedweek has a 'following'. People follow the series, and go to all of the races, and some of those folks have went for every year, or several years...plus as anybody who knows about sprint cars knows, the All-Stars are pretty much the same as/pretty damn close to, the Outlaws.

The Hewitt Classic, is a 1 day show, is non-sanctioned/open competition, and has only been held at WRP for 2 years. Both years the stands were FULL!! And the racing has been top shelf (just like it is every week).

What WRP should look into, is co-promoting with Gas City, and Kokomo. Then guys could run 3 nights on the weekend, at 1/4 mile tracks, all within 125 miles of each other. (Gas City runs Friday Lawrenceburg runs Saturday, they are 143 miles apart, Putnamville also runs Sat., GC to Put is 126 miles, but WRP is only 95 miles from GC)

Like Landon said, this year, Dean stepped on his winky, when he scheduled the race the day before OSKY (BIG paying race in Iowa), and right before the non-wing nationals at Knoxville. Plus USAC kinda screwed any track running non-wing, when they adopted a 'non-competition clause'. The clause basically said, any USAC driver running for 'National Driving Champion' is not allowed to race 24 hours prior to, or 24 hours following a USAC race, at a track that doesn't have at least 1 USAC date, if that track is located within 200 miles of the track that did host a USAC race.

WRP is within 200 miles of Lawrenceburg, Bloomington, Gas City, Kokomo, Winchester, and Toledo=strike 1

All of those tracks run either Friday, Saturday, or Sunday...which is within 24 hours before or after=strike 2

All of those tracks had at least 1 USAC date, and WRP did not=strike 3, as far as a USAC driver chasing the championship is concerned.

That is why you didn't see any USAC regulars at WRP in 2010, yet WRP still had 30 sprinters on average.

As far as the compacts go.....let um' race! What is their purse....virtually nothing! They have just as many cars showing up as the stock cars did. Folks want to complain about what does and does not put butts in the seats.... the night Jeff Kimes started from the rear of the Compact feature, for a bonus if he won, I counted 28 adults (and several more 'kids') in the section over from us, that had on green and white homemade 'KIMES 31' shirts. That's $336 in admission alone!!! not counting what those folks spent at the concessions.

The folks complaining about attendance....
1-How many people have you brought along with you to WRP?
2-How many of them had never been to a race before?
3-How many people do you know who used to go to the races, but had stopped...and since you brought them, they now come every week?
4-Have those people also brought some of their friends, who too had quit going to the races?
5-Have you brough kids along with you, and then taken those kids into the pits after the races were over, to see the race cars, and meet the people who drive/drove them?

I personally have positive answers for all 5 questions, what about you?

i guess their are not many fans like you out there. you may love the non wing cars, compacts, trucks,wing cars, minis what ever, but non of them are putting butts in the stands. i think the economy has a lot to do with it. all the classes at many of the tracks around ohio have lost car counts, blaming one or to classes for the tracks problems is really not fair. dean tried his best to put waynesfield on the map but his reputation from his past promoting has not helped the situation. hopefully the shobe family can get everything back on track.

[right rear]

Bob Fricke is an idiot. The LAST thing WRP needs, is Bob Fricke, or anyone else like him!

WRP's revolving door of promoters, and the changing of the schedule (even though some of it was needed/had to be done), has hurt the place more than anything else.

First off, I will plainly and flatly say, I LOVE non-wing sprint cars. That's what I grew up watching, and would still rather watch more than anything else (along with Champ Dirt cars, and midgets...AKA USAC cars)

WRP has a good turn out of them, and they put on some of the best racing I have ever seen. Matter of fact, in 2009 I finally conned a guy into going to WRP. The man was the sponsor of the USAC sprint car champion in 1975, but had stopped going to the races because of 'it's too damn dusty nowdays', and 'they have become 'follow the leader boring high speed parades'. After the sprint feature that first night at WRP, Sam stood up, and announced "That was the best sprint car feature I think I've ever seen in my life!!!". Pretty powerful coming from a man that had seen races from coast to coast for over 60 years!

I personally am tired of people -still- crying for the return of the stock cars. I've got nothing against the stocks, or the guys who run them, but like it has been stated on here many times before, less than 15 cars showing up is a joke. Nobody can fault the guys -who did- bring their cars to run at WRP, the 'fault' lies with the folks -who did not- bring their cars to race at WRP.

And truth be told, the same goes for the winged 360s. Where the hell are they at on the nights WRP has run them? I've been to 5 wing 360 races at WRP...the biggest car count they had was 17 IIRC. And there were no more fans in the stands those nights, than there were for any other weekly show. Sorry, I don't buy the BS of 'If they would run the wing 360s every week, the pits and the stands would be full'....... WRP has run the winged 360 the very next night after LMP has run them. Where were the cars and the fans? Ohio is full of 410-360-305 winged tracks. Is there a law that says the state of OH can't have a weekly non-wing track? The biggest races WRP has ever had, have been the All-Star Speedweek shows, and the Jack Hewitt Classic races.

Speedweek has a 'following'. People follow the series, and go to all of the races, and some of those folks have went for every year, or several years...plus as anybody who knows about sprint cars knows, the All-Stars are pretty much the same as/pretty damn close to, the Outlaws.

The Hewitt Classic, is a 1 day show, is non-sanctioned/open competition, and has only been held at WRP for 2 years. Both years the stands were FULL!! And the racing has been top shelf (just like it is every week).

What WRP should look into, is co-promoting with Gas City, and Kokomo. Then guys could run 3 nights on the weekend, at 1/4 mile tracks, all within 125 miles of each other. (Gas City runs Friday Lawrenceburg runs Saturday, they are 143 miles apart, Putnamville also runs Sat., GC to Put is 126 miles, but WRP is only 95 miles from GC)

Like Landon said, this year, Dean stepped on his winky, when he scheduled the race the day before OSKY (BIG paying race in Iowa), and right before the non-wing nationals at Knoxville. Plus USAC kinda screwed any track running non-wing, when they adopted a 'non-competition clause'. The clause basically said, any USAC driver running for 'National Driving Champion' is not allowed to race 24 hours prior to, or 24 hours following a USAC race, at a track that doesn't have at least 1 USAC date, if that track is located within 200 miles of the track that did host a USAC race.

WRP is within 200 miles of Lawrenceburg, Bloomington, Gas City, Kokomo, Winchester, and Toledo=strike 1

All of those tracks run either Friday, Saturday, or Sunday...which is within 24 hours before or after=strike 2

All of those tracks had at least 1 USAC date, and WRP did not=strike 3, as far as a USAC driver chasing the championship is concerned.

That is why you didn't see any USAC regulars at WRP in 2010, yet WRP still had 30 sprinters on average.

As far as the compacts go.....let um' race! What is their purse....virtually nothing! They have just as many cars showing up as the stock cars did. Folks want to complain about what does and does not put butts in the seats.... the night Jeff Kimes started from the rear of the Compact feature, for a bonus if he won, I counted 28 adults (and several more 'kids') in the section over from us, that had on green and white homemade 'KIMES 31' shirts. That's $336 in admission alone!!! not counting what those folks spent at the concessions.

The folks complaining about attendance....
1-How many people have you brought along with you to WRP?
2-How many of them had never been to a race before?
3-How many people do you know who used to go to the races, but had stopped...and since you brought them, they now come every week?
4-Have those people also brought some of their friends, who too had quit going to the races?
5-Have you brough kids along with you, and then taken those kids into the pits after the races were over, to see the race cars, and meet the people who drive/drove them?

I personally have positive answers for all 5 questions, what about you?

Great Post.

[Need for Speed]

i guess their are not many fans like you out there. you may love the non wing cars, compacts, trucks,wing cars, minis what ever, but non of them are putting butts in the stands. i think the economy has a lot to do with it. all the classes at many of the tracks around ohio have lost car counts, blaming one or to classes for the tracks problems is really not fair. dean tried his best to put waynesfield on the map but his reputation from his past promoting has not helped the situation. hopefully the shobe family can get everything back on track.

I never said there were any fans out there like me....not sure where that comment came from, or what you mean by it.

The only WRP class you didn't mention was Modifieds.

The economy surely has a lot to do with it. Tracks all across the country are feeling the crunch. Perris Auto Speedway in California, recently felt the sting of low fan counts for some big races.

I didn't blame any class for the problems at WRP, again, not really sure where you are coming from with that comment.

I have heard of some of Dean's past issues, from several different people. Both at Limaland back in the 70s and 80s, and from Eldora from a few years back. Might have something to do with some recent WRP problems, I don't know. I have also heard from some non-wing sprint car folks, that they really liked that Dean paid out in cash, and not a check....and not by a check that was mailed to them, like USAC does.

No matter who is running the show, I hope 2011 is a real break out year for WRP!

Some race car shows on Sat. morning in Wapak at Wal-Mart etc, and maybe at Indian Lake would help draw some attention to WRP. Having T-102 broadcast from those race car shows, letting the T-102 crew in for free, and having them do some broadcasts from the track. Getting the Wapak, Sidney, St. Marys, Celina, Lima, and Bellefontiane newspaper's sports directors to come to the tracks (both the kart track, and the 'big' track), heck, let them and their wives in for free each week. Passing out buy 1 admission-get 1 free passes at the camp grounds at Indian Lake, working with the Waynesfield Lions club, church groups, fire dept, eateries/bar, bars from the Lake (bring your WRP admission ticket to xxx bar and get a free beer/bring your reciept from xxx bar and get $2 off admission to WRP) etc, etc, might help too. Making positive contacts with local, and somewhat local businesses, will help everyone involved. Have High School 'date nights', bring your 'date' to WRP, get in for 1/2 off (big deal if X amount of the people got in for free, you still got paid by X amount of people, who would not have come to WRP otherwise...even have the tickets passed out at the HS, give a freebie to the principal too....), try to get the high school kids to go to WRP, instead of the movies with their dates. Signs of some type, on Rt 33, that the fabulous ODOT don't have a problem with.

Doc Dawson was from Waynesfield, maybe WRP needs to add another signature event, like a Doc Dawsom memorial race.

It's time to hustle, and rattle the bushes. That's what it's going to take to get butts in the seats.

Edited by Need for Speed, 07 December 2010 - 12:20 AM.

[Dirtinacircle]

I don't think re-packaging the same show will work IMO !!! There are businesses that support race teams in this area, and some who don't and are not doing to. It would be a good place to start with the known businesses that support racing !!! ( MOST OF THE BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA THAT SUPPORT RACING HAVE THERE NAME ON A 360 SPRINT, E-MOD, OR STOCK CAR ) So for the known businesses that support racing in this area, WAYNESFIELD DOES NOT SUPPORT THERE EFFORTS TO ADVERTISE !!! So if they want to get involved at waynesfield they have to spend more money to put there name on a compact, truck,or mini sprint.... so 50 people can watch them go around the track !!! ( not much advertising value there !!! ) Waynesfield is ignoring this businesses efforts to advertise. Not a smart business move to ignore the businesses that THAT YOU KNOW FOR A FACT) that are supporting racing in this area !!! There is a racing advertising community ( the ones that support tracks and teams) they are being left out ! If you do what you have always done, you will get what you have always got !!! It has not worked in 5 years, what is wrong with trying something different I ask ? Bottom line ,there has to be butts in the stands for advertising to be sold at the track or with a race team. O buy the way the Woo had record attendance for the 2010 year !!! There is still growth at short tracks across this country, alot due to nascar out pricing themselves. Race fans are showing up to watch local racing at short tracks, so don't look at the empty seats at nascar events and think all tracks are crying poverty. A lot of them are doing quite well !!!

[sammie]

money is tight for everybody fans do not want to come alone so they just stay home. but like the last post if they can get their wife or kids in for free they will come there is only so much money each family can spend per week the trick is to get them to spend at WMP no matter what the class you get to run the bigger class are great i have been there. but if you love racing you run what you can afford so lets all have fun and be glad we can still race at WMP myself i bought the 5 compact putting a rookie in it building a new one and have at least 2 or 3 rookies drive it . i might have to take it out. that should cause a little spark on and off the track. just trying to get new people to catch the racing bug.

[Need for Speed]

I don't think re-packaging the same show will work IMO !!! There are businesses that support race teams in this area, and some who don't and are not doing to. It would be a good place to start with the known businesses that support racing !!! ( MOST OF THE BUSINESSES IN THIS AREA THAT SUPPORT RACING HAVE THERE NAME ON A 360 SPRINT, E-MOD, OR STOCK CAR ) So for the known businesses that support racing in this area, WAYNESFIELD DOES NOT SUPPORT THERE EFFORTS TO ADVERTISE !!! So if they want to get involved at waynesfield they have to spend more money to put there name on a compact, truck,or mini sprint.... so 50 people can watch them go around the track !!! ( not much advertising value there !!! ) Waynesfield is ignoring this businesses efforts to advertise. Not a smart business move to ignore the businesses that THAT YOU KNOW FOR A FACT) that are supporting racing in this area !!! There is a racing advertising community ( the ones that support tracks and teams) they are being left out ! If you do what you have always done, you will get what you have always got !!! It has not worked in 5 years, what is wrong with trying something different I ask ? Bottom line ,there has to be butts in the stands for advertising to be sold at the track or with a race team. O buy the way the Woo had record attendance for the 2010 year !!! There is still growth at short tracks across this country, alot due to nascar out pricing themselves. Race fans are showing up to watch local racing at short tracks, so don't look at the empty seats at nascar events and think all tracks are crying poverty. A lot of them are doing quite well !!!

So you are saying wizz on the businesses' that are on cars in all classes that run at WRP, unless they are on a winged 360, mod, or stock car?!?!?!...... Do you honestly think that a business that is already sponsoring 1 track, has the extra money (considering today's economy) to sponsor another track, or that they even want to? Thats ! Much like the rest of your post.

Limaland has been around for 70+ years (and was closed for a while), and Eldora has been around for 50+ years. But the big track at WRP has been around for less than 10 years. Not to mention the huge shot of money Ken Langhals put into Limaland, and NBC/UNO pumped even more money into LMP when they bought it (plus NBC/UNO had a 10 year improvement plan), and the big shot of money that Tony Stweart pumped into Eldora once he bought it.

I promise you, Allentown Speedway, and Eldora Speedway, were not anywhere near the showplaces they are now, when they were less than 10 years old.

[skip]

Back when Lima and Eldora started out you didnt need the big money to start out and the backing. But if you want to have a track now and start one you had better have the money and backing to put on a good show and draw the people in. To start out now you had better have some thing to draw the people in and have the big purse and point funds to get racers and fans involved. Dont get me wrong nothing against them but 3 support class,s doesnt get it. You have to run some headliners that draw the people in like the other tracks that put fans in the stands. And right now the economy is not allowing for a great fan counts. May i ask how much point fund did the champion in the nonwing class get this yr? If it doesnt compare to any of the other tracks around , you had better find some backing to make it so it is. WRP needs to run a class that doesnt run on any other given night in the area. Like Non wing, 360, mods ans stocks. You need to have a good purse and point funds and these cars will come, thats why you need the backing from the area. I must admit that one of the first class to start out when the little track was started was the minisprints, they were there from the start. Every one of us has some big ideas as to what is needed to get fans and cars in the pits but until some thing is done we will continue to have a tuff yrs like before until some one gets it done.

[Dirtinacircle]

NFS you have no clue !!! Most businesses that advertise do it in a diverse way ! YES , if the stands were full there would be businesses waiting in line to capsure that audience!!! but you do not know how marketing works, And I get paid to do just that !!! Limaland is a very nice facilities, but that is not why businesses choose to do advertising there. Its about the money those fans are going to spend at those businesses !!! And those fans go there because they like the product !!!Oakshade is a crap hole but the stands are packed because people like the product !!! It is not the facilities, its the fans that those businesses are trying to capsure !!! but what do I Know about advertising !!! I don't know how anyone can look this man in the eyes and tell him that running the same cars is going to work this time LOL !!! So I will make it easy for you NFS .... A GOOD PRODUCT= fANS=MONEY !!! Waynesfield is a very nice place, it does not need 50 years to have success as you would suggest. It needs a good product !!! fANS ARE NOT GOING TO SHOW UP FOR THAT SHOW !!! but you already know that !!! you have seen it with your own eyes !!!

[Need for Speed]

Skip, You know I've posted here before, WRP needs to run 2 'anchor' classes pretty much weekly (non-wing sprints, and mods...they draw the most cars) except for 'special shows', and mix in the wing 360s on night that the non-wing cars have big races close, and then rotate the support classes (trucks, mini-sprints, and now compacts).

I also said a few years ago, that WRP should work with LMP, to run the 360s -non wing- on Saturday nights, to give the fans a little different program, and to give the LMP cars a place to race that's close together. Have seperate points and champions, but also run combined points and a 'series champion' to entice guys to run both tracks. As far as I know, Dallas Hewitt is the only one to run both places, with the same car.

Dirtinacircle: 'I have no clue'...LMAO at that!

What is the answer to WRP's woes then, you claim to know it all.........

Sell it to UNO, run it like LMP, run the exact same show-2 nights in a row-less than 25 miles apart.....oooh, exciting

The track hasn't been properly promoted...simple as that! WRP has 8 non-wing sprint car regulars alone (not to mention modified, truck, mini-sprint, and compact regulars) that live in Miami, County. One of them, was this year's Non-Wing champion, (and another one of those Miami, Co residents was the Compact champion) yet, there has never been any kind of story/results/schedule/etc/etc about the track, or any of the guys or the cars in the Troy Daily News, or the Piqua Daily Call. Nothing in the Dayton Daily News either. WTH not? That's the promoters job!

The Sidney Daily News did run an story on Brandon Ferguson this past summer, but no mention of WRP anywhere in the entire article.

The biggest turn out (crowd wise) has been the Jack Hewitt Classic races, (non-wing sprint car), and the All-Star Sprintweek (410 winged sprint car).

Both years, before (and after) the Hewitt Classic, the IndianaOpenWheel website was buzzing with 'excitement'. People from Indiana skipped going to their regular track that Sat. night, and made the trip to WRP, saw a hell of a race, and talked positively about the track, and the action. This year, Lawrenceburg scheduled a big non-wing race directly against the Hewitt classic, yet WRP's stands were nearly full.

This year's weather was screwy. Cold and crappy early, boiling hot in the middle, mixed with some drenching storms (or at least were going to be, according to the weather guessers) and then cold again later in the season.

LMP was catching hell for cancelling races early, only to have the nasty thunderstorms be a 'no show'. The weather forced some promoters in the midwest/plains states, to fold for the entire season...in July!

Sure, some tracks had good years, but most have felt the sting of the poor economy and bad weather. If you don't believe that, then you're the one that 'has no clue'.

[Dirtinacircle]

NFS if you look at my past post I said fans want to see fast race cars with talented racers which, non wing racing is !!! I like non wing racing . Most tracks have 3 classes worth watching ! Can you say that for WMP ? does compacts fit your fast cars, talented racers bill ? it is hard to sell that as racing in this area. Do you understand that the businesses that have the most money invested in racing advertising in this area do not get to advertise at waynesfield ? I would like to see non wing on there schedule. But can you imagine starting a wing sprint car track in the middle of indiana ? that area will not support it !!! its not going to happen. Because there fans , teams , advertising dollars are invested in non wing racing. You would be looking for a new fans base, new race teams, new marketing partners. The deck would be stacked against those that would try.

[AK1]

The track hasn't been properly promoted...simple as that! WRP has 8 non-wing sprint car regulars alone (not to mention modified, truck, mini-sprint, and compact regulars) that live in Miami, County. One of them, was this year's Non-Wing champion, (and another one of those Miami, Co residents was the Compact champion) yet, there has never been any kind of story/results/schedule/etc/etc about the track, or any of the guys or the cars in the Troy Daily News, or the Piqua Daily Call. Nothing in the Dayton Daily News either. WTH not? That's the promoters job!

The Sidney Daily News did run an story on Brandon Ferguson this past summer, but no mention of WRP anywhere in the entire article.

This is something I can speak on with 100% knowledge of. The promoter did his job as far as making sure there was info sent to these news outlets. He hired me to do it. I send results and stories out to every local news outlet I can. Thus far the only one that prints the info with any regularity is the Indian Lake News Current, which is a weekly paper. The information was sent week in and week out, but I can't force them to print it.

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I will tell you what Ron hammons is a business man and if you have every looked at it if he shows them he as at least 30 backers who put money his way and on his cars. Like he told me you need to get some people to put some good money into a point fund and thats what you need to do. The same goes for Tim allison he has a lot a people backing him. Like i have said before back in the 60,s at the old Allentown almost every car had a local bar as a backer. Rons dad i had the picture and he told me it was a bar in delphos that backed his dads carr. And every one of those cars had people from those bars would show up. Fred Roberts who owned the royal dell now sportscasters he backed a car and when the races were over he got some of the people to show up after the races. Its just a way as to how people put their money into some thing that will get a return. Every one posting on here has some good ideas its just a matter of how it gets done.

[wrench 1]

When we raced at oakshade back in the earyl 90's they had trouble filling the stand , so they changed the price of admission to 5.00 and kids were free. they packed the stand and made a ton of money on concessions. It's easier to get 1000 people to spend 5.00 compaired to 400 to spend 12.00 each. just a thought.....................

[Dr. Speedy]

NFS, you can forget about Troy Daily, Piqua Daily, or Sidney papers doing the racing report. They have a real racing hero right here in Troy Jack Hewitt, he hardly got any coverage until he got to drive at Indy. God knows Jack has won tons of races at all the area tracks, and all over the U.S. and Australia. So this is pretty bad here in Troy for auto racing. Dayton Daily usually has Eldora's results, especially Outlaw stuff and the bigger LM races. Troy's paper really sucks no matter how you look at it, ya can't even hardly get it delivered to your house. Really poor system. We have all kinds of mod,sprint,stock,compact, around Miami County. None of which are ever mentioned in the paper.

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Do not take this in the wrong way towards any one but to promote a track now in this economy is no easy task. Take Cub when Andy james left for what ever reason cub took a big hit that yr, and for what ever reason james left fremont during the yr is none of my business. here is two guys who felt the tasks ahead of them one at WRP and the other at WRP and Fremont. Fremont has been around for several yrs and has the fans to back it. Both of these fellows proably took some hits to their bank account. Then it has been known that Dean was taking a hit. So it makes no difference what track it is every one is taking a hit with this economy. I would think that every one of them tried the best that they could do and what they could afford to. Their top priority was to make sure that they didnt hurt any of their ability to take care of their families. Its very easy for some of us to sit back and say what should be done but none of us are having to reach in our back pockets and use our money to do what we are asking of these fellows to do with their money. All the ideas are very good ones and maybe some might be listening, but when it comes right down to it WRP will be running next yr and i think we have to say thanks to the Shobes and all the past people who have tried to keep WRP running and the fans who did show up.

[Need for Speed]

This is something I can speak on with 100% knowledge of. The promoter did his job as far as making sure there was info sent to these news outlets. He hired me to do it. I send results and stories out to every local news outlet I can. Thus far the only one that prints the info with any regularity is the Indian Lake News Current, which is a weekly paper. The information was sent week in and week out, but I can't force them to print it.

Many pardons Gerry.....

Like Dr. Speedy reminded me, Troy, Piqua, and Sidney, are some sorry newspapers.

I will take it upon myself to light a fire under the sports editors , regarding putting something on the sports pages besides stick and ball, and NAPCAR stuff.