I can not talk to the right people but hope some one can. a race car is more than a piece of metal. it may sound strange to some but you put yourself into the build. our colors are picked for a reason, our numbers are picked for a reason, our fans know us from our colors and our numbers. that's just the start. what about my sponsers, they back me, not some one they don't know! what about my T'shirts now they don't match! what about my spare parts that i took the time and money to get together and paint to match. What about saftey? i know my race car is in the shop having the welds looked at and fixed putting other bars in places to protect my driver. some cars sit on a trailer all winter in the spring they charge the battery! why should they be allowed to take advantage of my hard work all winter! I'm not writing this to complain i'm just giving you reasons why this is bad! Racers that love to race take pride in their car. if your paint does not matter your number does not matter then you do not care what it looks like! then you cannot get your sponsers which are hard to come by! All that leaves you is a few cars that dont care what they look like just out there beating each other up because who cares next week it might not be yours! It's all about pride in your ride! without it you got a bunch of junk! fans dont pay money to watch junk run around and run into each other. i just think the powers that be did not realize that your race car is reflection of you and your team! not something you can trade off like baseball cards! If this happens i really dont know what to do with out sponsers this is going to be hard all the time we took designing a fancy paint scheme thats no good.. no reason to buy paint or graphics. just flat black and a number and let the games begin.I don't mind to give up my motor it's ben that way since i started but giving away you whole car or truck thats not right!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rethink
Started by sammie, Jan 01 2012 08:47 AM
48 replies to this topic
#1
Posted 01 January 2012 - 08:47 AM
#2
Posted 02 January 2012 - 12:51 AM
I can not talk to the right people but hope some one can. a race car is more than a piece of metal. it may sound strange to some but you put yourself into the build. our colors are picked for a reason, our numbers are picked for a reason, our fans know us from our colors and our numbers. that's just the start. what about my sponsers, they back me, not some one they don't know! what about my T'shirts now they don't match! what about my spare parts that i took the time and money to get together and paint to match. What about saftey? i know my race car is in the shop having the welds looked at and fixed putting other bars in places to protect my driver. some cars sit on a trailer all winter in the spring they charge the battery! why should they be allowed to take advantage of my hard work all winter! I'm not writing this to complain i'm just giving you reasons why this is bad! Racers that love to race take pride in their car. if your paint does not matter your number does not matter then you do not care what it looks like! then you cannot get your sponsers which are hard to come by! All that leaves you is a few cars that dont care what they look like just out there beating each other up because who cares next week it might not be yours! It's all about pride in your ride! without it you got a bunch of junk! fans dont pay money to watch junk run around and run into each other. i just think the powers that be did not realize that your race car is reflection of you and your team! not something you can trade off like baseball cards! If this happens i really dont know what to do with out sponsers this is going to be hard all the time we took designing a fancy paint scheme thats no good.. no reason to buy paint or graphics. just flat black and a number and let the games begin.I don't mind to give up my motor it's ben that way since i started but giving away you whole car or truck thats not right!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with sammie 100%
Thanks, Troy ( 7x and 9x trucks )
Edited by docolds, 02 January 2012 - 01:02 AM.
7x 9x
#3
Posted 02 January 2012 - 04:30 PM
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#4
Posted 02 January 2012 - 07:03 PM
I am talking about the ability to claim your car or truck!
#5
Posted 02 January 2012 - 10:18 PM
WHAT?!? Thats B.S. Where does it say that? Is that for every division? Is this only at Waynesfield?? I just got a mini sprint, if this is the case I might as well just sell it....
#6
Posted 02 January 2012 - 10:54 PM
WHAT?!? Thats B.S. Where does it say that? Is that for every division? Is this only at Waynesfield?? I just got a mini sprint, if this is the case I might as well just sell it....
No, the Mini Sprints do not have a claim rule. The Tough Trucks and Compacts have a claim rule instituted by the track, and the UMP Modifieds have a engine claim rule that is spelled out in the UMP rules. Waynesfield is not the only track that uses claim rules, nor is it the first time that we have had a claim rule in effect on any of our divisions. Please visit www.waynesfieldracewaypark.com and click on the 'Rules' section to view the rules for your division.
Gerry Keysor
#7
Posted 02 January 2012 - 11:55 PM
I'm kinda torn on it. Seller should be able to keep shocks, and maybe a few setup items they worked hard to figure out. I don't even know if the stocks have a claim rule anymore, but it's laughable if so. If ignored, the claim rule does nothing. Sammy I think you guys bought more than a couple motors back in the day....
#8
Posted 03 January 2012 - 12:01 AM
I knew the mods had the engine claim. I didnt know if claiming the whole car was a new thing or what was going on. I understand claiming the motor, but the whole car. I dont think thats right at all.
#9
Posted 03 January 2012 - 01:02 AM
I'm thinking if I bought someone's car/truck, I may not want to show up the next week. Like you said most people put alot of work into their rides and I know it's a rule, but I'd think you'd have one pissed of owner lol you do however have to swap rides along with $1500 cash but i agree it'd make someone upset with all the work people do to their rides.
2nd is the first loser
#10
Posted 03 January 2012 - 08:24 AM
I would like to see the insurance policy at WRP. If the track is gonna force a driver to swap they must be willing to claim responsability for every truck being safe. You claim a truck and roll it over to find out that the cage is exhaust pipe or the guy that welded the cage together didn't know what they were doing the track would have to share the Liability. Also what do you get if the track claims your truck??? just $1750 and your out of racing til you can build another??Wow I strongly disagree with this idea. And you wanna even the field so you add a wing rule, which should help those with BIG power put it to the dirt. Hows that gonna help tighten up the racing? Also if this is to keep the racing close why no nonwing car claim?? Last I checked that was another class that was dominated by a few. I agree with Sammie (did I just type that) hope WRP reconsiders
#11
Posted 03 January 2012 - 09:48 AM
yea i know its hard to believe im on the write track!
#12
Posted 03 January 2012 - 09:49 AM
yea i know its hard to believe im on the write track!
#13
Posted 03 January 2012 - 10:46 AM
This is one of the most stupid ideas that I have heard in a long time. This is making me think that I will just sell my truck and not race or switch classes and go to another track. I would agree that we can claim motors but not the whole truck. WRP let think about it a minuet and put a little common sense into this before the season starts and everyone starts to claim trucks and the class disappears. This is a slap in the face that there is only $250 difference from a truck and a compact. Put the claim on the motor for $1750 and not the whole truck.
#14
Posted 03 January 2012 - 11:00 AM
The claim rule for the compacts was lowered to $1000. I think the reason they lowered it is because people keep complaining about other cars but yet they dont use this rule. Most of you guys are making it sound like you dont get anything in return.I mean you get the money and the other persons car correct? Now on the other hand, there are a couple flaws with this rule that i dont agree with. jmo
#15
Posted 03 January 2012 - 12:01 PM
The claim rule for the compacts was lowered to $1000. I think the reason they lowered it is because people keep complaining about other cars but yet they dont use this rule. Most of you guys are making it sound like you dont get anything in return.I mean you get the money and the other persons car correct? Now on the other hand, there are a couple flaws with this rule that i dont agree with. jmo
well you better go back and read the compact rules it states in the rules $1500......
#16
Posted 03 January 2012 - 12:22 PM
You guys all knew the rules when you decided to get into the division, no? There are plenty of divisions to get into a spending war with....why not run one of those instead?
Besides, name ONE claim in the history of WRP. I don't even know if my division has a claim rule anymore, and it doesn't matter since it is so far out of hand that we're all spending too much. I'll either spend more and make myself faster, or find another division that isn't yet a five figure operation if it gets too hot in the kitchen.
#17
Posted 03 January 2012 - 05:46 PM
wow seriously? this is the dumbest rule ever. I would not run WRP at all if I had a truck or a compact. Bust my balls all winter long to put a great car/truck on the track and know that someone else who just waited around with a junk car and cash can take my car/truck.
LMAO @ this rule and people wonder why WRP is not taken seriously
#18
Posted 03 January 2012 - 09:10 PM
The way I figure it your truck has got a 3500.00$ value and your compact has a 3000.00$ value. No that may not in anyway pay for the hrs of work you might put into it. I see what they're trying to do. Both are suppose to be stock classes and it might deture someone from spending a large amount on their race car or truck. I know the compact guys pretty well agreed that we could police our class ourselfs with this rule. As we've all seen a winner doesn't just get claimed. A straight up cheater just might though. I do think a engine claim on the trucks might have been better after all you wouldn't have to own a ford to claim a ford engine. Besides most places that have claims they are very seldom used. By the way how many different winners were there in the truck class? The claimer also has to finish lead lap so your not gonna get junk. What about saying top ten finisher? My bet is the guy who's been finishing 9th don't mind this claim stuff near as bad as the guy winning or the one who planning on spending his way to the front.
#19
Posted 03 January 2012 - 09:30 PM
For all of the "new commers" out there.....this is not a "new" idea! Short tracks have been doing this very thing far longer than anyone currently racing at Waynesfield or any other track around here. There are still tracks in the south that race what they call "spectator stocks" that even allow any one from the stands to walk down, post the money, and buy a car that just won the race.
Ask any senior citizen race fan about the days when a racer would claim the winning car and the claimie would then claim the 2nd place finisher's car and so on.... Everybody knows the rules before they start.
Same as with the mods, if it ever happens, it is only once or twice and then it stops. I once saw Mike Brecht get his motor claimed in his mod. Brecht then came back the next week and outran his old motor with the motor he got in trade on that claim. Then everyone figured out that it wasn't a cheater that was beating them, it was a better setup & driver.
I haven't seen any driver claim another at Waynesfield yet. Why do you think it will happen now?
Remember a few years ago when there were over 30 trucks every week? People would rather see 30+ trucks run at the same speed than to watch a few big fish destroy all of the life in the pond. Pretty soon the only thing left in the pond is the couple of big fish and the fishing suffers.
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#20
Posted 03 January 2012 - 09:37 PM
i read on this site also that the rule states the claim has to be made by a car/truck who finishes on the lead lap. What happens if there are a bunch of cautions in a feature and a truck that is out there just cruising around and not really being competitive finishes on the lead lap? then they can claim the winners truck and all of a sudden Chris Hicks or Matt Twining are no longer at WRP because they lost their truck that they have worked their butts off for years getting right. Now their truck is gone and they are stuck with junk then what? WRP you keep claiming that you wanna thrive and succeed but then you make dumb rules or dumb mistakes. The schedule changes from a couple years ago pushed a lot of people away from WRP. Last year was a breath of fresh air for WRP, the only scheduling conflict was the 360 show and Greg not allowing people to get their money back for it. Me and a buddy were at that race and Greg refused to give us our money back told us "It was not his problem" when we told him we travel with a 360 team and we were not going to be able to make it back down there. That drove us away but we love the track just the owner/promoter is one of the most unprofessional guys i have ever met.
Now after making most people happy last year, kudos to most of the staff especially skinnykenny who is one of the nicest guys i have ever had the chance to meet as well as Gerry, but after making most people happy last year now your going to implement a rule this year that makes absolutely no sense at all. IMO this does nothing but drive owners/drivers away from the track.
This is my opinion though and i know most of you will disagree and rip me cuz of it but oh well
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