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[witness_23]

For all of the "new commers" out there.....this is not a "new" idea! Short tracks have been doing this very thing far longer than anyone currently racing at Waynesfield or any other track around here. There are still tracks in the south that race what they call "spectator stocks" that even allow any one from the stands to walk down, post the money, and buy a car that just won the race.
Ask any senior citizen race fan about the days when a racer would claim the winning car and the claimie would then claim the 2nd place finisher's car and so on.... Everybody knows the rules before they start.
Same as with the mods, if it ever happens, it is only once or twice and then it stops. I once saw Mike Brecht get his motor claimed in his mod. Brecht then came back the next week and outran his old motor with the motor he got in trade on that claim. Then everyone figured out that it wasn't a cheater that was beating them, it was a better setup & driver.
I haven't seen any driver claim another at Waynesfield yet. Why do you think it will happen now?
Remember a few years ago when there were over 30 trucks every week? People would rather see 30+ trucks run at the same speed than to watch a few big fish destroy all of the life in the pond. Pretty soon the only thing left in the pond is the couple of big fish and the fishing suffers.

Maybe your right about the claim rule being very old but you also have to take into consideration that back in the day it didnt cost you an arm and a leg to race and be competitive. Also back in the day there were not so many rules regarding exactly what you have to run in your car. So implementing this rule nowadays is a whole lot different than back in the day. Its simple WRP just needs to sit back look at this rule and admit that they were wrong with it. Come out now and say sorry and that they made a mistake. That will go a long way to showing people you actually care about their racing careers rather than sit back and do nothing while drivers are complaining.

[skinnykenny]

Maybe your right about the claim rule being very old but you also have to take into consideration that back in the day it didnt cost you an arm and a leg to race and be competitive. Also back in the day there were not so many rules regarding exactly what you have to run in your car. So implementing this rule nowadays is a whole lot different than back in the day. Its simple WRP just needs to sit back look at this rule and admit that they were wrong with it. Come out now and say sorry and that they made a mistake. That will go a long way to showing people you actually care about their racing careers rather than sit back and do nothing while drivers are complaining.

I really don't think that the track promoter/staff just decided to throw out a new rule for the heck of it. I'm sure it was done because the track didn't want to "sit back and do nothing while drivers are complaining."
Somebody must have been complaining already in order for this to have happened.

[witness_23]

I really don't think that the track promoter/staff just decided to throw out a new rule for the heck of it. I'm sure it was done because the track didn't want to "sit back and do nothing while drivers are complaining."
Somebody must have been complaining already in order for this to have happened.

I would understand if it was just a motor claim but giving them the whole car/truck is just ridiculous. And if someone was complaining about that then maybe that certain person should go back to their garage and put together a winning car instead of complaining about someone else beating them. Maybe someone should clue Greg in that if you want people to keep racing at your track then you shouldnt be giving their cars/trucks to other people

[slower23]

i believe that this rule isnt fair to those that actually have to put their hard earned money into something they love and then turn around and have someone just throw something together and buy someones hard earned work from them.... thats not fair to those that would be losing their truck/compact that are infront competeing week in and week out!!! i agree with witness_23 100%

[skinnykenny]

I don't have a dog in this fight and it really doesn't make me any difference at all. I just hope that whatever happens brings more trucks back to Waynesfield in 2012. Please....don't act like Waynesfield just made up some rule that is new to racing because everybody was happy about the entry level classes and the promoter just wanted to ruin a perfect thing and make everyone mad. Claimer racing has been in effect about as long as racing has period. Some complaining had to come from somewhere or we would still have 30+ trucks everyweek and they would not be making any changes at all.

[witness_23]

I don't have a dog in this fight and it really doesn't make me any difference at all. I just hope that whatever happens brings more trucks back to Waynesfield in 2012.
Please....don't act like Waynesfield just made up some rule that is new to racing because everybody was happy about the entry level classes and the promoter just wanted to ruin a perfect thing and make everyone mad.

Claimer racing has been in effect about as long as racing has period. Some complaining had to come from somewhere or we would still have 30+ trucks everyweek and they would not be making any changes at all.

I dont really have a dog in this fight either cuz like i stated before i travel with a 360 team so i get one visit to WRP a year, even though we like running that place. And like I stated before I believe Greg Shobe to be one of the most unprofessional guys I have ever met with his treatment of me and my buddy last year.

This rule is different now compared to back in the day though it cost more now, you can just go around letting people claim someone elses equipment. Its a ridiculous rule. Maybe the trucks are dying off because it cost to much to run them compared to what they make back? or maybe they are dying off because nothing has been done in the past? Or maybe they are just not running WRP anymore because of Greg, i know that would be the reason for me. After his "not my problem" statement to me last year. I dont live that far from WRP and it sucks that Greg has to be the way he is because my boy loves watching racing and I love to take him but instead of traveling 20 minutes on saturdays i now travel 2 hours north to Fremont because of Greg.

[sammie]

come on kenny you know better than that . we had claims when we ran but nobody ever gave up there whole car. thats just crazy! like i said all this rule does is make it easy on the track. if someone complains all they have to say is if you think there cheeting just buy it. and another BIG thing is you can't buy a compact that will run in the top 10 for a 1000 dollars before you put a cage in it. The trucks WOW 1750 that should have been done when class first started . that class would of never got were it is at with that claim. Nobody in there right mind would spend there time blood and sweat and money to let someone else have. I know you get the other truck or car but if there willing to give it up i sure do not want it. As far as the rule bring in more trucks or cars HA HA no way anybody going to spend the time and money it takes to build one get it painted and all your decals just to claim somebody. the only person that builds a car or truck to claim or be claimed does not have the same quality cage or decals or the time making it right and look as good. The class is going to have to get small again before it can grow. I may be wrong but i don't think alot of the guys will sell for that price. the way i feel is i don't want a truck that someone is willing to trade off ! I am NOT going put my driver in truck i don't feel is safe. I know i can take mine apart and get more than 1750 in parts so why would i give someone to lazy to build his truck to run up front and look good YOU know its a sad day when you can part your car and truck for more than the claim rule.

[double checkered]

Lets see if we can get some constructive ideas instead of just I don't like the rule. I mentioned this a few months ago and ill bring it up again........ what is the pricetag of a competitive truck? All competitors should be in agreement of what the REALISTIC cost of a "BUDGET LEVEL" class car should be. I'm only talking about things that make your car go faster or handle better (engine, drivetrain, suspension). Not safety or appearance items. Now, this will be difficult but doable ........ if you tear down someone and they are "over budget" they are DQed. I believe the point of the rule is to keep the budgets in check. I'm sure if the drivers do not like the rule, the will show their feelings by not showing up. But if no compromise is given to actually make the classes better for EVERYONE, they will die off anyway. Jeremy

Edited by double checkered, 04 January 2012 - 01:06 PM.

[compact racer]

Lets see if we can get some constructive ideas instead of just I don't like the rule. I mentioned this a few months ago and ill bring it up again........ what is the pricetag of a competitive truck? All competitors should be in agreement of what the REALISTIC cost of a "BUDGET LEVEL" class car should be. I'm only talking about things that make your car go faster or handle better (engine, drivetrain, suspension). Not safety or appearance items. Now, this will be difficult but doable ........ if you tear down someone and they are "over budget" they are DQed. I believe the point of the rule is to keep the budgets in check.
I'm sure if the drivers do not like the rule, the will show their feelings by not showing up. But if no compromise is given to actually make the classes better for EVERYONE, they will die off anyway.

Jeremy

Good question Jeremy. What is the price of a entry level race car or truck? I know when you try to sell one they don't seem to be worth the work you put into them but the work you do is part of the game. All the fast guys say it's in the handling and to a point I'll agree. On the other hand that's where the extra work and time comes in. I know the compact guys have had this rule and have had no claims yet. That's yet.. One thing is for sure the tracks make the rules if you don't like them enough you have several ways to have your vote. I will say the truck guys are at a real disadvantage as WRP is the only track for them. Then again I know they are morphing into something they didn't start out as. Not saying that's a real bad thing as they do put on some real good racing.

[racer50]

I think the track is just trying to do something to stop the complaining. So you all think someone is going to put up $1750 to claim someone's truck. Not going to happen. They have had a tear down rule for years and that happened once and that was I think $200. UMP has had an engine claim for years, $550 and swap engines I've been around Mods for 13 yrs and have never seen it done though I would like to trade my $4000 motor for a $15,000 motor. If someone starts complaining all the track has to tell them is get your $1750 out and buy a winner, if you can"t build one yourself. But don't you think if they had the $1750 they would put it in their own truck to make it faster. I also have nothing in this but my opinion. Lets go racing boys.

[compact racer]

I think the track is just trying to do something to stop the complaining. So you all think someone is going to put up $1750 to claim someone's truck. Not going to happen. They have had a tear down rule for years and that happened once and that was I think $200. UMP has had an engine claim for years, $550 and swap engines I've been around Mods for 13 yrs and have never seen it done though I would like to trade my $4000 motor for a $15,000 motor.

If someone starts complaining all the track has to tell them is get your $1750 out and buy a winner, if you can"t build one yourself. But don't you think if they had the $1750 they would put it in their own truck to make it faster.

I also have nothing in this but my opinion. Lets go racing boys.

I tend to agree with you racer 50. 1750.00 or 1500.00 should buy you plenty of go fast stuff. If you really think you can't afford to compete in trucks the compacts need a few good racers.

[goober25g]

my biggest problem with the whole car claim rule is thatthe track can claim you at anytime??? If you want the class to police itself with a claim rule what does the track need to reserve the right to claim any car at anytime. And there is no clarification to what you get from the track. I don't think any racer will use this rule but the track is the wild card. The staff at WRP will work this out i have no doubt, just on here giving my opinion. If we would have had a meeting I would have said the same there. Also added cost to cars by allowing spoilers?? If nothing else WRP has got us talking racing, always a good idea or maybe not

[racer50]

Hmmmmmmmmm Maybe Dan is thinking about getting back in racing. He can see who is fastest then claim that truck. Just kidding LOL

[gibbs gang]

skinnykenny,ask mike about that claim @ eldora,i believe they got claimed by orr,and swapped motors,and the motor they got from orr grenaded the following week

[sammie]

I do not believe dan is getting back in racing his basket is already full and to run like he would want to it takes a lot of your time. I know i have layed out a lot of good reasons why the whole truck claim was bad. I believe the track will hear us and mabey do something else or change it a little. BUT we just half to deal with the rules that are made and make the best of it. I just want to race and have a good time and mabey trade a little paint it is all about having a good time. It is good to hear everyone else speak out . Lets all have a good safe year!

[skinnykenny]

I was talking about Fricke claiming Brecht's motor at Limaland.

[Racer31]

Yep no full time racing for me right now. I am fortunate to have friends that trust me to drive their truck on occasion and I'm thankful for that. I get more enjoyment out of making a show flow the way it should. To the truck racers: we hear you and we are in discussions about our options. End result is we want to put on the best show possible.

Edited by Racer31, 05 January 2012 - 10:39 PM.

[sammie]

Thanks dan for your feed back you have to speek out if you do not like something most of the time it does no good but everyone knows where you stand and some times there might be a middle ground they is good for everyone. Every one is never going to be happy but hey it was a good try!

[roundtrack19]

Claim rules are for lazy promoters that don't want to inforce or police there own rules. They want the drivers and crews to do it. Well drivers and crews have enough to do just keeping cars going.

[Dirtracer48]

Claim rules are for lazy promoters that don't want to inforce or police there own rules. They want the drivers and crews to do it. Well drivers and crews have enough to do just keeping cars going.

Wrong. It's a deterrent from outspending each other....or outspending what they're willing to give up for x amount of dollars. What is the track to do? It is my understanding that only 4 drivers from two familes have won in the trucks for the past TWO years??? I don't know any of those four drivers, but from what I understand they're great competitors and will help most anyone out. That doesn't change the fact that there are still a LOT of guys busting their tails and coming home empty handed. Is it anyone else's problem? Sort of, when guys quit coming due to it.....it's been happening.

I applaud the track for stepping up and trying to do something to keep these reasonable for a working man's budget. The other option is to let it keep going, but don't bitch when a new race ready truck and engine costs $20,000 to run up front like the stocks and mods are now. I know for a fact it can be done cheaper, but don't think for a second others haven't spent that to win $300 checks. If ya can't beat them, join them...which I am doing my best to do.