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[3799]

Dennis will get it worked out I have no doubt. This class is finally seeing some growth and together the competitors in the Ouotlaw Sprint Warriors have their act together. One act of disobedienceby a Racesaver car is not going to cause the division to crumble. No I say it will be even stronger from this point forward. As a group the OSW drivers are a hell of group of competitors, and one thing they strongly agree one is rules are rules and they will be enforced.

[spike]

I bet the car was completely 100% legal according to the rules that sealed OSW AND Racesaver engines are legal. However if Skip was running his Racesaver engine he would have run aground of French Grimes for racing at a nonsanctioned 305 race with one of French's cars, for which he would be punished severely and monetarily punished had word gotten back to Mr Grimes.

The thing is you can bet one of French's spies has no doubt already informed him of the dilema. He sends them out to all 305 races looking for teams to suspend and fine.

Thank you. Now I see why Sportsmans doesn't give the results. They are afraid French will see them. But if he has spies out there, he would find out anyhow. So please tell Sportsmans they can release the results now. No need to keep them a secret any longer. French knows and so should we.

[racer 141]

Dennis is right. I was put in a bad spot by a person that I was counting on to support the teching. I want to thank Chris #52 for being a gentleman and sportsman on the way he handled the tect.I was very impressed on the the up keep that they do on there car. I want to thank everyone else for there support and unity. That incident only made us all closer together to show me this will work. Two cars will be tech every week. I hope the other tracks will start doing the same. any questions on anything please call me 724 354 4574 I want to thank everyone again Walt Tutak Sr

[maxx3773]

Thank you. Now I see why Sportsmans doesn't give the results. They are afraid French will see them. But if he has spies out there, he would find out anyhow. So please tell Sportsmans they can release the results now. No need to keep them a secret any longer. French knows and so should we.

Why should they HAVE to post the results on this site? Personally dont blame them seeings how not many people have good things to say about any track on here just voice the bads..If you would look at their website they post the results just usually may take a few days..

[Sloane]

Why should they HAVE to post the results on this site? Personally dont blame them seeings how not many people have good things to say about any track on here just voice the bads..If you would look at their website they post the results just usually may take a few days..

If you are looking to attract some new fans the ease at which they can obtain the results would be beneficial.(Marketing 101) And since most fans from Western and North Central PA and Eastern OH visit this site it would definitely make your results available to the majority of fans who are likely to attend the track.

[Dad#17]

I bet the car was completely 100% legal according to the rules that sealed OSW AND Racesaver engines are legal. However if Skip was running his Racesaver engine he would have run aground of French Grimes for racing at a nonsanctioned 305 race with one of French's cars, for which he would be punished severely and monetarily punished had word gotten back to Mr Grimes.

The thing is you can bet one of French's spies has no doubt already informed him of the dilema. He sends them out to all 305 races looking for teams to suspend and fine.

Then if he was worried about that, don't come race there as the results are posted on this site and many others. He has raced Mercer and they post results on several web sites. So your barking up the wrong tree. Make a choice then. If people are afraid of French Grimes do as they did out west, drop him like a bad habit. Do as Mercer, Sportsman, Fremont, Attica and Wayne County are doing. Racing with a rules package. Some with 5.3L and 305 and some with just 305, but independent of RaceSaver. And I am not bashing R.S. as it is a good program on paper. But political from there on.

And this was not about R.S. is was about the refusal to be Teched. And then being allowed to race.

Paul Whitesell

Edited by Dad#17, 13 August 2012 - 01:59 PM.

[3799]

Then if he was worried about that, don't come race there as the results are posted on this site and many others. He has raced Mercer and they post results on several web sites. So your barking up the wrong tree. Make a choice then. If people are afraid of French Grimes do as they did out west, drop him like a bad habit. Do as Mercer, Sportsman, Fremont, Attica and Wayne County are doing. Racing with a rules package. Some with 5.3L and 305 and some with just 305, but independent of RaceSaver. And I am not bashing R.S. as it is a good program on paper. But political from there on.

And this was not about R.S. is was about the refusal to be Teched. And then being allowed to race.

Paul Whitesell

Paul I am not defending Racesaver or Skip. He has a couple different engines. Why he was not immediately disqualified I do not know. I also do not know why he cannot still be disqualified. I am the first one to say you don't need French Grimes to have a successful limited sprint racing. What you need are rules like OSW has and enforce them.

Mike Dutko

Edited by 3799, 13 August 2012 - 03:08 PM.

[Dad#17]

Paul I am not defending Racesaver or Skip. He has a couple different engines. Why he was not immediately disqualified I do not know. I also do not know why he cannot still be disqualified. I am the first one to say you don't need French Grimes to have a successful limited sprint racing. What you need are rules like OSW has and enforce them.

Mike Dutko

Mike,

He can have several engines. That is his choice. And I would agree with the French Grimes issue. But no matter what engine he had in his car, he refused to tech. That is the issue. And let me be clear, I am not, have not and will not call Skip a cheater. Because that would be pure assumption on anyones part. And I will not let this turn into calling him a cheater and I will still defend him because no one but Skip knows that answer. And I agree, as with any track, denying tech is cause for disqualification for that event or possible other events. If that is how the rules of that class are written. And I agree with the OSW rules being a very solid foundation. Several smart people put them together for the sport of racing and this class. Perfect, nothing is ...I am not the judge, jury and executioner of this act, the class as a whole is.

Paul Whitesell

[BUBBA-5]

My question still is why was skip aloud to race the feature after he refused tech. He should of been asked to leave.

[Round Robin]

It's none of French Grimes's GD business where racers race, with his engines or not, and if he insists on control over that as a condition of racing with him or doing business with him, the entire racing world should tell him to go straight to hell and should, as another poster stated, drop him like a bad habit. French Grimes may or may not have started out with good intentions, but it is harmful to racing as a whole for monopolistic practices and dictatorial control to be allowed, and guys like French Grimes should be shown the gate in favor of racers going by agreed upon rules that anyone with legal equipment can race under without being penalized by nosy outsiders sticking their noses in other people's business.

[racer 141]

Skip was aloud to race because nobody told him he couldnt. I went to see what everyone wanted to do. Some where saying to make him leave. Some said let him stay.' and some Questioned me of what I was doing because no one tech at the other tracks. Rules are great no teching at Mercer and by the way at Dog Hollow. Everyone is saying he cheating or this one is cheating How we going to know if we are not teched. Teching has to start Everywere. Hope this answers some questions Any help or input would be a blessing. Let me know Thanks Walt Sr

[vinnydock92]

The reason is simple, the self appointed tech man at sportsman speedway is not affiliated with racesaver, OSW, or sportsman speedway. In fact he was removed from the Western pa.racesaver board for his antics. I am sure if when mercer decides to tech it will be by the proper officials and not one of the participants that decide that night to be the tech inspector! There is a proper way to do things and having racers tech other racers isn't the right way.I will be more than happy to have my car teched by an official from Racesaver or OSW.but not by one of my competitors at any time.sorry but I was already down that road and it just isn't fair. So get a proper official and tech away, other than that leave me alone! Skip.

[3799]

Mike,

He can have several engines. That is his choice. And I would agree with the French Grimes issue. But no matter what engine he had in his car, he refused to tech. That is the issue. And let me be clear, I am not, have not and will not call Skip a cheater. Because that would be pure assumption on anyones part. And I will not let this turn into calling him a cheater and I will still defend him because no one but Skip knows that answer. And I agree, as with any track, denying tech is cause for disqualification for that event or possible other events. If that is how the rules of that class are written. And I agree with the OSW rules being a very solid foundation. Several smart people put them together for the sport of racing and this class. Perfect, nothing is ...I am not the judge, jury and executioner of this act, the class as a whole is.

Paul Whitesell

Paul,
We agree 100%. The excuse that the tech guy was an imposter does not hold water. I will not comment on how Sportsmans runs their show. I will say that anyone who questions whether or not We tech at Mercer is a fool if they think we do not. The OSW rules state a car can be inspected if there is a suspicion of wrong doing. Should Skip race at Mercer it is my belief and only my belief, not the track that he should have to submit to an inspection before he is allowed to race. The whole thing baffles me Skip was one of the biggest supporters of rules and their enforcement. I like yourself do not believe he can be branded a cheater, but he should not be looked upon as the winner of the race either.

Mike Dutko

[Dingo]

We are in a scenario where we are struggling for cars in our first year. We give everyone a 'gratis' meeting before they have to join our Association and comply to our specifications. The Ruth owned/Les Myers driven car was given this consideration at Sportsmans the first time we raced there, but they knew what had to be done to race this time. Les told us he had talked to the Ruths to put steel heads on and join up... would have meant he would have been a busy boy on the night running the #43 SB car as well. As it turned out, they never got the car there. Point is, everyone should know where they stand and if there is no compliance, they dont race. If you open the gate and let one person race out of spec, or even suspected of being out of spec - and they ALL are till they are proved legal, its too late, you've already set the precedent. In the case of the 305 Sprint, if he was not teched, how could he be deemed legal, or his car even safe? Surely he shouldn't have been let out on the track from that standpoint. Racing as a Series, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Promoters or Track. The Club/Class determines what happens with its drivers/members. As for the Sportsman track itself, the racing and track has been excellent both times we have reaced there. This racetrack cops so much crap from people who basically aren't involved, dont go there, or have a 'hate' on with it over something that happened 10 years ago. I'm sure the Colwell family dont miss their entry contributions and certainly their whining either. Its a great venue and we hope to be back more often and with bigger numbers next year. Jim 'Dingo' Kirkwood PA Vintage Dirt Modifieds President.

[3799]

The reason is simple, the self appointed tech man at sportsman speedway is not affiliated with racesaver, OSW, or sportsman speedway. In fact he was removed from the Western pa.racesaver board for his antics. I am sure if when mercer decides to tech it will be by the proper officials and not one of the participants that decide that night to be the tech inspector! There is a proper way to do things and having racers tech other racers isn't the right way.I will be more than happy to have my car teched by an official from Racesaver or OSW.but not by one of my competitors at any time.sorry but I was already down that road and it just isn't fair. So get a proper official and tech away, other than that leave me alone! Skip.

Walt Tutak inspected several cars Sunday. You were the only one to refuse. Walt is the reason OSW and Racesaver are even racing at Sportsmans. Don't try to make it look like he is some shady character because French Grimes took him off the Racesaver Board. All he did was try to come up with an agreement with Mercer to allow Racesaver sprints to race at more tracks than Dog Hollow. Something you supported by the way. Sportsmans Speedway is now on record that OSW can deal as they wish with this and any other incidents and they will not change any decisions made.

[vinnydock92]

Who is the OSW tech? I believe it is Kip Rife, but not sure, he is the one I paid to tech my OSW engine but I have never seen him at mercer.

[vinnydock92]

So is Walt an official tech inspector Mike?

[LarryTheCableGuy]

Ok all involved with the OSW/Sportsmans speedway 305's and 5.3's I would like to have a meeting this week possibly Thursday to discuss the rules being used at Sportsman's and who will be doing the teching. Lets get all this childish behavior out of the way and move forward. Like I said before if you are or plan on being involved in racing at Sportsman's please call me so we can have a discusion and set up a time and meeting place, If not dont complain about any judgement calls from this point forward! Thank you Dennis Wagner 724 714 7881

[3799]

He was acting in that capacity Sunday. That is why he inspected several cars. Nobody had a problem with Walt why would you? He went so far as to have someone else witness your inspection so there could be no problems with the inspection. Kip Rife seals the engines. At Mercer Larry Rife is the track's tech inspector for all divisions including OSW. Sportsmans Speedway is on record as saying it is up to the class with regard to rules for the class. Like I have said I believe your car was 100% legal so why not let it be inspected?

[suhoney18]

Like I have said I believe your car was 100% legal so why not let it be inspected?

seems to be the million dollar question....