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[fordblueoval]

Fastrack has gotten out of hand for a long time now but they seem to ignore the fact that owners with deep pockets will spend any amount of money necessary to win races and points championships. Blue printed $14,000 motors to not make for a level playing field. If you want to spend that much money then you should be running super late.

[Curtis86]

Anyone interested in information or rules come see me tonite at the little guy bats at Mercer. Side note. This class is designed to give racers an affordable way to get into the loaded division and is no way meant to replace the 358 or bigblock divisions but instead bring racers into the divisions by giving them a stepping stone to get there. Anyone interested can also give me a call at 724-866-8832. Rob Curtis.

I will have the rules Plus the specs for the sail panels with me at Mercer swap meet Sat. Anyone interested just look me up. ROB CURTIS.

[brad hibbard]

Fastrack has gotten out of hand for a long time now but they seem to ignore the fact that owners with deep pockets will spend any amount of money necessary to win races and points championships. Blue printed $14,000 motors to not make for a level playing field. If you want to spend that much money then you should be running super late.

I am not saying FASTRAK is perfect or that some things couldn't be better----but this misconception by folks like yourself about engine prices has got to be put to rest.

I am not going to get into a pissing match with you on this I will simply give a couple of examples to back up my claim that a box stock engine can and does compete with success.

Max Blair ran the bulk of the 2012 season on a box stock engine ($5090) including his success at the world championship

Chad Ruhlman won numerous features and was second at the weekly challenge race

Will Thomas won features in 2012 with a box stock engine ($5090)

Wayne Robertson won the race at Black Rock speedway and also led many laps in the world championship after coming from the tail of the field and then after a mishap on the track had to come from the tail of the field again and ended up 4th just behind another box stock engine driven by Billy Henry

Actually the only rebuilt engine in the top 4 was that of Joe Martin in the second place slot and I assure you it was completely legal and well under the price that you claim competitors are spending

some other standouts would be Kyle Lukon and also Kyle Zimmerman both continually win feature races and both have been very close to track championships with Zimmerman actually winning a couple championships.--both with box stock engines ($5090)

I can go on and on with this rant all day----but I think you get the idea----you do not need to spend big money on engines to compete in a crate series if it is policed properly.

Brad

Edited by brad hibbard, 12 October 2012 - 12:49 PM.

[Hairy Eyeball]

That may be true Brad but what about the rest of the parts? Isn't it true that guys are spending big money on carbs, headers, shocks, wheels, etc? Don't get me wrong I personally like the idea of a crate mod class because it provides potental to grow interest in modified racing. but there needs to be other rule limitations too. Unlike the old West Penn Limited Modifieds from the 90's, this class should allow aluminum wheels so these guys can buy wheels from the bigger teams. Plus they could use the same equiment when they move up to a 358 or big block. there also needs to be a steel body shock rule to keep the cost down. I like the idea of keeping guys from "sand bagging" a lower class but let's face it - this class won't see big payouts, so there needs to be a smart way to enable guys to keep the cost of equipment down. If done correctly I think this has potential. Good luck.

[Curtis86]

That may be true Brad but what about the rest of the parts? Isn't it true that guys are spending big money on carbs, headers, shocks, wheels, etc? Don't get me wrong I personally like the idea of a crate mod class because it provides potental to grow interest in modified racing. but there needs to be other rule limitations too. Unlike the old West Penn Limited Modifieds from the 90's, this class should allow aluminum wheels so these guys can buy wheels from the bigger teams. Plus they could use the same equiment when they move up to a 358 or big block. there also needs to be a steel body shock rule to keep the cost down. I like the idea of keeping guys from "sand bagging" a lower class but let's face it - this class won't see big payouts, so there needs to be a smart way to enable guys to keep the cost of equipment down. If done correctly I think this has potential. Good luck.

Everything you pointed out bas been addressed . If you want the rules or info call me cause im the one putting this class together and promoting. It. I like other racers input on this to help make it successful. Rob Curtis. 724-866-8832

[brad hibbard]

Hairy, I am speaking of engines ONLY all that other stuff needs to be handled by the series you did bring up headers and carbs------those are techable items and a simple claim could also be used to keep costs in line Brad

[TheLegend]

That may be true Brad but what about the rest of the parts? Isn't it true that guys are spending big money on carbs, headers, shocks, wheels, etc? Don't get me wrong I personally like the idea of a crate mod class because it provides potental to grow interest in modified racing. but there needs to be other rule limitations too. Unlike the old West Penn Limited Modifieds from the 90's, this class should allow aluminum wheels so these guys can buy wheels from the bigger teams. Plus they could use the same equiment when they move up to a 358 or big block. there also needs to be a steel body shock rule to keep the cost down. I like the idea of keeping guys from "sand bagging" a lower class but let's face it - this class won't see big payouts, so there needs to be a smart way to enable guys to keep the cost of equipment down. If done correctly I think this has potential. Good luck.

That whole you can buy shit used from higher class's bullshit needs to stop or the class is doomed before it even starts. Same reasoning is why crate lates and emods cost what they do now ...

Edited by TheLegend, 12 October 2012 - 07:20 PM.

[tdietz10]

It doesn't have to be complicated. Steel shocks. Pump gas 93 only! And run any tire harder then whatever compound you want to pick. I'd say 1300 or harder.

[dirtstudent2]

Why the 602 as the topic title says and not the 604? What I've heard is though crates can use both, most use the 604. If your interested in getting people to get in, why not use what most might already have and what if it doesn't work can be used or sold to a fastrack racer? Not reading this whole thread I'm asking is the engine your expecting to be used the same 'exact' engine used in fastrack? If so go for it. If not why bother?

[BaconBits]

Why the 602 as the topic title says and not the 604?

What I've heard is though crates can use both, most use the 604. If your interested in getting people to get in, why not use what most might already have and what if it doesn't work can be used or sold to a fastrack racer? Not reading this whole thread I'm asking is the engine your expecting to be used the same 'exact' engine used in fastrack? If so go for it. If not why bother?

The 602 is the rule for most sportsmen modifieds in the northeast.

[Curtis86]

The 602 is the rule for most sportsmen modifieds in the northeast.

Plus there is a two thousand dollar increase in going to the 604. There are plenty of 602 engines out there already and the increase of price to the 604 is the difference in alot of guys being able to afford to get in the class. Its about low buck racing. Has been very well recieived so far.

[TheLegend]

Plus there is a two thousand dollar increase in going to the 604. There are plenty of 602 engines out there already and the increase of price to the 604 is the difference in alot of guys being able to afford to get in the class. Its about low buck racing. Has been very well recieived so far.

Dont ever bend and allow expensive components on the fallacy that used expensive componenets are cheaper than new cheaper stuff because the guys with money will buy new anyway and it defeats your purpose.and 1300 tire is way too soft for your budget class

Edited by TheLegend, 13 October 2012 - 09:12 AM.

[BaconBits]

Plus there is a two thousand dollar increase in going to the 604. There are plenty of 602 engines out there already and the increase of price to the 604 is the difference in alot of guys being able to afford to get in the class. Its about low buck racing. Has been very well recieived so far.

I don't disagree at all man. Keep the 602 as your engine. Not only is it cheaper, but keeping in line with everybody else's rules, no matter how far away they might be, is not a bad thing.

[George Costanza]

I don't understand where the cars/drivers are going to come from......the problem in this area is that there are already far to many divisions, how is this going to help anything?

[Hot Dog]

I don't understand where the cars/drivers are going to come from......the problem in this area is that there are already far to many divisions, how is this going to help anything?

There are already a lot of cars out there that have stopped racing due to the costs of on the motor end of racing. Not to mention the costs of high dollar shocks and other high end parts which the rules for this division have eliminated.

[Curtis86]

I don't understand where the cars/drivers are going to come from......the problem in this area is that there are already far to many divisions, how is this going to help anything?

This class keeps drivers in the upper classes from jumping in with the exclusion rule so we dont lose any drivers there. It gives guys in lower divisions a stepping stone to move up and brings modifieds that are sitting.g out of the garage. Plus future drivers that want to start so far its pulling interest from all the right areas.

[Tommy]

I have heard the rumors for years that the price of the 604 is going up, is there anyone that can confirm this or just hearsay.

[BaconBits]

A feeder class for modifieds in this area is desperately needed. The current area stars of modified racing like Swartzlander, Bolland and Murdick aren't getting any younger and a feeder class maybe, just maybe will create some new stars to take their place when those dudes retire.

[Curtis86]

A feeder class for modifieds in this area is desperately needed. The current area stars of modified racing like Swartzlander, Bolland and Murdick aren't getting any younger and a feeder class maybe, just maybe will create some new stars to take their place when those dudes retire.

I have had lots of interest from young drivers wanting to move up and some modified drivers wanting to put their kids in this class so their is potential for just that. Future stars

[JohnnyHildo]

I have had lots of interest from young drivers wanting to move up and some modified drivers wanting to put their kids in this class so their is potential for just that. Future stars

Maybe Revin Kevin 777 would put his kid in the class the little guy who wears the bright vest that's his kid right? Would Bolland's kid be banned like Kevin is if he starts to race hard and crash people even though the crowd loves it and fans will love it I hope not we need exciting modified racers. Even though some people don't like it the whiners I bet the racers really respect the way Kevin races because he is alway going for the win and that's all that matters and I hope his kid races that way too. Would you let Kevin's kid race even though Kevin is banned from all modified races until next year if Kevin owns the car