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[3799]

It's just as much up to other tracks to dodge Lernerville as it is up to Lernerville to dodge other tracks. Lernerville has given 5 1/2 months' notice when they're gonna run the makeup. Nobody can complain they didn't know. And how do we know Lernerville didn't talk to other tracks and all the series involved? I bet they talked to as many of them as they could, and probably for days in advance knowing this storm is coming. Sure there'll be some conflicts, how could there not be with over 240 cars in the pits? But I bet there'll be less conflicts than you think.

Oh please! Lernerville did not talk to any of the tracks they crapped on with this decision. They have no standing to dictate to anyone to cancel their races for Lernerville's exclusive benefit. You say they gave us 5 1/2 months notice, how many years notice have they had from tracks like Mercer, Sharon, Pittsburgh, to name a few of the affected tracks that we have been racing on Saturday for years. What Lernerville has done is isolate themselves from the majority of tracks in this area.

Maybe they needed the money to get their name out of the newspaper for not paying their taxes. I can see not refunding money that night it would have been administrative nightmare but why is there no mail in program for refunds? How many teams will not even be racing next year? How many pit bands will be lost?

I will tell you this, Mercer Raceway Park will not rollover and play dead for Lernerville We will race on April 13th. We are not alone in that decision, but I will let the other tracks speak for themselves as phone calls have already been exchanged.

Lernerville has totally put the drivers in a very bad spot, perhaps more than the tracks. Hopefully the drivers weigh their options and realize who has historically provided them with a Saturday night track all year long not just one night. Why didn't Lernerville reschedule on their Friday race night? It's not the responsibility of the majority the tracks to bail Lernerville out of their problems out especially when they said not one word to the affected tracks.

Edited by 3799, 28 October 2012 - 06:05 PM.

[TheLegend]

It's a 3 k to win race over 2 days lol who even cares ?

[baldtireman]

It's all about the $$$$$$..........The thing to do is refund to those who want it..... Plus, are your Goodyear sprint tires ok next year???

[BUDWEISER75]

What is wrong with trying to run it next weekend? This is pretty lame on their part.

Dtwf in Charlotte would be my guess

[RocketRide]

Oh please! Lernerville did not talk to any of the tracks they crapped on with this decision. They have no standing to dictate to anyone to cancel their races for Lernerville's exclusive benefit. You say they gave us 5 1/2 months notice, how many years notice have they had from tracks like Mercer, Sharon, Pittsburgh, to name a few of the affected tracks that we have been racing on Saturday for years. What Lernerville has done is isolate themselves from the majority of tracks in this area.

Maybe they needed the money to get their name out of the newspaper for not paying their taxes. I can see not refunding money that night it would have been administrative nightmare but why is there no mail in program for refunds? How many teams will not even be racing next year? How many pit bands will be lost?

I will tell you this, Mercer Raceway Park will not rollover and play dead for Lernerville We will race on April 13th. We are not alone in that decision, but I will let the other tracks speak for themselves as phone calls have already been exchanged.

Lernerville has totally put the drivers in a very bad spot, perhaps more than the tracks. Hopefully the drivers weigh their options and realize who has historically provided them with a Saturday night track all year long not just one night. Why didn't Lernerville reschedule on their Friday race night? It's not the responsibility of the majority the tracks to bail Lernerville out of their problems out especially when they said not one word to the affected tracks.

Exactly there is alot of variables when you stretch a race out till the next year,this is the third track this fall to say next spring but chances are there will be alot of wasted money somewhere along the line especially when you have a tire rule involved.

[blaneyfan10]

im convinced no matter what tracks do people are gonna bitch. either go to the make up or don't go who cares.

[BUTTBEAK]

Gee, who didn't see this coming before the first raindrop fell?

[Round Robin]

Mike, you're a good guy, but you've had a hard on for Lernerville for 10 years, not without reason, so your credibility in any Lernerville vs. Mercer pissing match is running at less than full throttle. Nobody with a decent starting spot in the feature already locked up is going to run at any other area track's regular show that night, because no regular show in this area pays close to what the Stampede features pay to win for those divisions. PPMS always has cooperated pretty well on these kinds of issues, and who knows what Sharon is gonna do? Mercer will lose more fans than cars to Lernerville that night anyway. A) If Lernerville wants them not to bad enough, trust me, they can see to it that Mercer doesn't run that night, and Mike Dutko or Round Robin can't do a damn thing about it, and B ) If Mercer is fool enough to run that night they will lose their ass, especially if Sharon runs also. Nobody from Mercer need get too big for their britches over this, because if it comes down to a pissing match over the date and if Lernerville decides it's worth it to them to win it, they will.

Edited by Round Robin, 28 October 2012 - 10:01 PM.

[scruffy1a]

Oh please! Lernerville did not talk to any of the tracks they crapped on with this decision. They have no standing to dictate to anyone to cancel their races for Lernerville's exclusive benefit. You say they gave us 5 1/2 months notice, how many years notice have they had from tracks like Mercer, Sharon, Pittsburgh, to name a few of the affected tracks that we have been racing on Saturday for years. What Lernerville has done is isolate themselves from the majority of tracks in this area.

Maybe they needed the money to get their name out of the newspaper for not paying their taxes. I can see not refunding money that night it would have been administrative nightmare but why is there no mail in program for refunds? How many teams will not even be racing next year? How many pit bands will be lost?

I will tell you this, Mercer Raceway Park will not rollover and play dead for Lernerville We will race on April 13th. We are not alone in that decision, but I will let the other tracks speak for themselves as phone calls have already been exchanged.

Lernerville has totally put the drivers in a very bad spot, perhaps more than the tracks. Hopefully the drivers weigh their options and realize who has historically provided them with a Saturday night track all year long not just one night. Why didn't Lernerville reschedule on their Friday race night? It's not the responsibility of the majority the tracks to bail Lernerville out of their problems out especially when they said not one word to the affected tracks.

No, any track that runs on April 13 will be putting the drivers in a bad spot. You'll be asking them to choose between running for double pay and being "loyal." As if they've got questionable morals by choosing Lernerville, and they're loyal by eating their pit passes and running for half the money at a traditional Saturday track.

You'll not be hurting Lernerville; they've already collected the money. It's the drivers you'll be sticking it to. What do you think any fan with half a brain will do?

Edited by scruffy1a, 28 October 2012 - 10:10 PM.

[flash49]

The race should be made up either on any Friday night in April or the last Friday night of March, before any other area race tracks are running. Lernerville opened its season for years on the last Friday in March, don't see what the problem is.

[scruffy1a]

The race should be made up either on any Friday night in April or the last Friday night of March, before any other area race tracks are running. Lernerville opened its season for years on the last Friday in March, don't see what the problem is.

You don't see any difference between this show and an opening night show? Can you imagine the logistics of getting 200+ cars settled in on a Friday night? If so, could you imagine how much easier it would be on a Saturday?

[3799]

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Edited by 3799, 28 October 2012 - 11:16 PM.

[3799]

Mike, you're a good guy, but you've had a hard on for Lernerville for 10 years, not without reason, so your credibility in any Lernerville vs. Mercer pissing match is running at less than full throttle. Nobody with a decent starting spot in the feature already locked up is going to run at any other area track's regular show that night, because no regular show in this area pays close to what the Stampede features pay to win for those divisions. PPMS always has cooperated pretty well on these kinds of issues, and who knows what Sharon is gonna do? Mercer will lose more fans than cars to Lernerville that night anyway. A) If Lernerville wants them not to bad enough, trust me, they can see to it that Mercer doesn't run that night, and Mike Dutko or Round Robin can't do a damn thing about it, and B ) If Mercer is fool enough to run that night they will lose their ass, especially if Sharon runs also. Nobody from Mercer need get too big for their britches over this, because if it comes down to a pissing match over the date and if Lernerville decides it's worth it to them to win it, they will.

Robin since the sale of the track i've had no problems with the current management. No doubt that will change now, but my loyalties are with Bill Altman and Mercer Raceway Park. So quit living in the past. Lernerville knows they won't get the cars back if they offer a refund, especially after the pitiful racing surface they gave them to race on, so they chose to hold the teams hostage. They are the ones running scared, not Mercer or any other Saturday night track. Let the drivers decide, what's wrong with that? Lernerville is nowhere near the track it was when Don Martin owned it. All they (Lernerville) need to do is give the drivers a choice. Refund their money or honor the pit bands in April. Why are they afraid of what the drivers will do? It's double the money for only one night versus tens of thousands of dollars and numerous specials the Saturday tracks put up all year long. With double points on April 13 at the Saturday tracks you can kiss a track championship goodbye for $30. And there are plenty of teams that would covet a track championship at any iofthe Saturday tracks.

As to your comment that Lernerville can shut down Mercer you must be living in fantasy land. Name your price on that bet Robin, name your price. Drive west of Butler and you will see there is a whole other world of tracks out there every bit the equal of Lernerville. Heck let me know when you want to come over and I will sign you in at Mercer.

Edited by 3799, 28 October 2012 - 11:17 PM.

[NickD]

Robin since the sale of the track i've had no problems with the current management. No doubt that will change now, but my loyalties are with Bill Altman and Mercer Raceway Park. So quit living in the past. Lernerville knows they won't get the cars back if they offer a refund, especially after the pitiful racing surface they gave them to race on, so they chose to hold the teams hostage. They are the ones running scared, not Mercer or any other Saturday night track. Let the drivers decide, what's wrong with that? Lernerville is nowhere near the track it was when Don Martin owned it. All they (Lernerville) need to do is give the drivers a choice. Refund their money or honor the pit bands in April. Why are they afraid of what the drivers will do? It's double the money for only one night versus tens of thousands of dollars and numerous specials the Saturday tracks put up all year long. With double points on April 13 at the Saturday tracks you can kiss a track championship goodbye for $30. And there are plenty of teams that would covet a track championship at any iofthe Saturday tracks.

As to your comment that Lernerville can shut down Mercer you must be living in fantasy land. Name your price on that bet Robin, name your price. Drive west of Butler and you will see there is a whole other world of tracks out there every bit the equal of Lernerville. Heck let me know when you want to come over and I will sign you in at Mercer.

Mike, maybe do your research about the taxes. The taxes were paid for on September 6th! If you knew anything about WRG, they would rather let it go to collections and pay the interest after 4 years to have that money on hand every year(they do it with ALL the racetracks, not just Lernerville). The best thing that ever happened was when you left Lernerville. If I was Bill, I'd be ashamed of the way you act on here. One of the many reasons I will not attend Mercer.

Also, chasing championships isn't as big of a deal anymore as it used to be...most of these tracks only have 5-6 drivers that run every show, others float...so throwing that out is garbage.

[Round Robin]

Mike, I've spent my life around better bullshitters than you. Trust me, what you're trying to sell me is brown and smelly. I'm not saying anything about shutting Mercer down, but if Lernerville were to decide they don't want Mercer to run on 4/13, Mercer would not run on 4/13. And as for Lernerville being afraid of anybody, where do you get that good wacky weed you smoke? Let us all know so we can get some too. No track offers refunds to a show they have rescheduled, and you oughta know that after all these years. Mercer would do it the same way. Sure those with wristbands have a choice to make, but that's standard racetrack procedure, so tough beans. And nobody's point fund around here is going to make anybody with any kind of chance to win their Stampede feature go to their home track instead. All that would be accomplished by Mercer or Sharon or PPMS or any other track trying to make their cars stay home and not go to the Stampede that night would be for Mercer or Sharon or PPMS or whoever to piss off some of their drivers, and no track can afford that these days.

[4FUN]

Robin, What about all the other drivers at "those other tracks" that want to support their speedway for the regular Saturday night? They spend all winter working on a car, investing their time and money, just to be told "Sorry, the almighty Lerverville is running tonight so screw you... " That is bull____ !

[FWIW]

Robin and Nick, Hes right about several things. ..I was in the stands for both nights and the track surface was great on Thursday but totally SUCKED on Friday, they should be ashamed of themselves for any surface like that. How well does Norris usually run there?....usually really well, he spun twice in his heat. Maybe they want everyone to run a crate motor cause it seemed those down on power motors were the only ones working. And you may be surprised of the cars that dont come back in April, I know of a bunch that arent returning for numerous reasons. We all knew what the weather was like going in, its not Lernervilles fault. But I dont think any track needs to bow down to Lernerville and change their schedule.

[Round Robin]

4FUN, if I'm running a track at which a large number of the Stampede drivers run regularly on Saturday night, I tell you, "If you have a problem with us not running our regular show tonight, go bitch at Lernerville. Our drivers who are in their show had no control had no control over when they would reschedule it, and we're not going to shit on our regulars who are running there by running our regular show." If I'm a track with only a handful of drivers there I might run, but even then I might let all my drivers drop their worst night so nobody would be screwed. And with not only a lot of drivers but a lot of employees as well working Lernerville, I'm sure PPMS will run Sunday that week. And even those tracks that say they will run might look for excuses to cancel that night. It's a ballsy move to say "Screw you, Lernerville, screw you, Stampede drivers" and run that night, and I doubt even the almighty Mercer has balls that size.

[TheLegend]

4FUN, if I'm running a track at which a large number of the Stampede drivers run regularly on Saturday night, I tell you, "If you have a problem with us not running our regular show tonight, go bitch at Lernerville. Our drivers who are in their show had no control had no control over when they would reschedule it, and we're not going to shit on our regulars who are running there by running our regular show." If I'm a track with only a handful of drivers there I might run, but even then I might let all my drivers drop their worst night so nobody would be screwed. And with not only a lot of drivers but a lot of employees as well working Lernerville, I'm sure PPMS will run Sunday that week. And even those tracks that say they will run might look for excuses to cancel that night. It's a ballsy move to say "Screw you, Lernerville, screw you, Stampede drivers" and run that night, and I doubt even the almighty Mercer has balls that size.

Dude you act like the lucking stampede is paying 50k to win and 5 k to start in all divisions !!!! Get over your self it's 3 k to win and only 1 guy can win anyway !!

[Round Robin]

FWIW, most of the cars that don't come back will be B-main cars, and when you have a postponed 2nd night like that there are always B-main cars that decide they don't have much of a chance to make the feature and figure they'll lose more money if they go back and decide not to. The cars that are already in features will almost all show up. And cars that have no place to run that night will use that show as a practice night. They had 240+ cars there, I'm betting north of 200 go back.