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[TheLegend]

Plenty of places to race without fans. Don't need them to go race around a track but for a fan to goto a track without cars and sit in the stands would be pretty boring

It's pretty comical than 1 guys opinion who pays 20 dollars to get in is more relevant than that guy who spends 200k to put on the show

[Space Racer]

Tracks should just quit paying purses altogether and become private racing clubs! Then the drivers can make their own rules up and do whatever they want. Who wants to pay to watch a bunch of cars go in circles following each other? Fans are much better spending their dollars on professional sports that are willing to put on a show for them. Most other sports start out with all the players at the same point and are actually exciting.

[GEARHEAD]

Plenty of places to race without fans. Don't need them to go race around a track but for a fan to goto a track without cars and sit in the stands would be pretty boring

That makes no sense at all. What track is going to stay open just to let people race without any fans in the stands? Are the racers going to race without a payout? There's no way a track can operate on the back gate alone. That may be the dumbest thing anybody has ever said on here.

[TheLegend]

That makes no sense at all. What track is going to stay open just to let people race without any fans in the stands? Are the racers going to race without a payout? There's no way a track can operate on the back gate alone. That may be the dumbest thing anybody has ever said on here.

Have you ever been to ppms ?? Have you looked in the stands ??

[ArtieLicious]

Have you ever been to ppms ?? Have you looked in the stands ??

ppms is a back gate track that on a regular night is $30-35 atleast.

[TheLegend]

ppms is a back gate track that on a regular night is $30-35 atleast.

That was my point

[arsnyder16]

That was my point

When the NFL removes the kickoff they are going to implement a pill draw for where you start your drive from.

[Skull]

Chassis set up wins these races , as long as your on good rubber and you have a solid 750 hp you have enough to win. Just because you time trailed well doesn't mean when the track drys out you will be any good at all. Everyone adjusts their car before it goes on the track . Some guess right some guess wrong , how else do you explain Marlar starting last and winning the hillbilly ? I know you people think I'm crazy but if I nail the set up on a given night I will be just as fast as anyone ... Can I run a hundred laps as consistant as the best ? Probably not. Now why I hate the pill draw.. If I go to 5 races at tracks I've never been to 4 nights my set up might be terrible and the night it's really good I pull the highest pill and start last,get stuck behind Mario carts or caughtin a wreck and never get to show it. I don't want to start in the front row unless I earned it by going fast enough in time trials. The part you guys miss is that pills draws do not make the fast cars start last !!! They have the same chance of pulling a 1 as anyone else. When guys are running for 10 k is it fair to a Jamie lathrom who has a legit chance of winning those races to have to start last in a 10 car heat when saterlee or covert is on the pole ??? Too much money is on the line to arbitrairly punish a guy for being fast. The biggest crowds I've seen all year were at time trial events so enough of this bullshit that fans won't go watch those events.. Time trials are the only way everyone has an equal chance, but you liberals don't want equal opportunity you want equal results !!!

Biggest crowd I saw was at a WoO Sprint Car race, a time trial event. You were probably at The World, and The Dream....two races which traditionally draw some of the biggest dirt track crowds of the season. People would go if Hank the Angry Drunken Dwarf picked the starting field. Your argument is bullshit. People go because the money is there, thus the biggest stars are too. It has less than nothing to do with time trials.

I've been to enough time trial shows to know that by the tenth or fifteenth car, many people are ready to hit the head or the concessions. I'm pretty sure those of you in the pits don't get that vibe. Like Express Man said, time trials are an advantage for those that do them three or four times a week, not three or four times a year. If it was me, I'd want that advantage as well.

The argument about "getting wrecked" trying to pass cars (there's a concept) to get to a transfer in a heat is bullshit, too. How often does that happen, especially at the high paying shows where most inexperienced drivers or those that are career hacks don't enter, anyway?

I get the part about the money that is involved, but wrecks and mechanical failures are going to happen at big shows same as a Friday or Saturday night $1K to win weekly shows. Pill draw and time trial programs alike. You ought to know by now that you can't minimize carnage in racing. People make mistakes, wrecks happen. It's your choice to race, much as it is to carry a gun, smoke, drink, dip snuff and get on this board and bitch about pill draw shows.

I'm a conservative much as you are, but your annoying habit of making every Goddamned argument on this board a Conservative versus Liberal battle is disingenuous and tiresome. I happen to think that pill draw shows are, on the average, more entertaining than those races where the fields are set by the time trial method. To that end, I feel I'm getting my money's worth, a decidedly capitalistic, conservative quality I have, to put things in terms you'll understand.

Now we have E-Mod and Crate groups that want time trials. Really? Support classes? What's next, weekly racing? What a joke.

[Skull]

It's pretty comical than 1 guys opinion who pays 20 dollars to get in is more relevant than that guy who spends 200k to put on the show

What's comical is what you have now at Pittsburgh. Apparently there are enough dumb asses without $200K diplomas that choose to spend their money elsewhere to the point that a couple hundred less weekly will allow you to purchase it and run all the time trial shows you want.

[Skull]

That makes no sense at all. What track is going to stay open just to let people race without any fans in the stands? Are the racers going to race without a payout? There's no way a track can operate on the back gate alone. That may be the dumbest thing anybody has ever said on here.

Oh yes. This must be the same clown that proposed much the same thing on here a couple of years ago. I hope the person or group that is going to host these proposed racing clubs is/are J.P. Morgan wealthy and own a large, remote plot of otherwise useless land.

[dak55]

Skull....I stood up and clapped when I read your first response. Bravo!

[TheLegend]

Skull....I stood up and clapped when I read your first response. Bravo!

You morons ignore the fact that track conditions change, being fast on an open track early in the night when it's hammer down does not mean you will be fast in your heat race or feature. The tracks change and it is a guessing game trying to adjust for the changing conditions. This is why some guys win one week And DNQ the next week. Lapping the field in the heat does not mean a feature win. Pill draw the lower classes if you want , but not running time trials for super lates is like the nfl pulling a number out of a hat before the game and giving 1 team 28 points to start the game.. Only if the nfl did that they would most likely give the points to the under dog , pill draws put superstars on the pole
Of their heat and another guy who may be a 1/10th or 2 faster starts last and finishes 6th in the heat and has to run the consi. I don't suffer fools very well at all and I can't handle a discussion with sub 50 IQ jack offs on a subject with A clear obvious correct answer that I feel very strongly about. Please someone have this argument with me in person where I can better articulate my position.

[Chuckball5]

Pills draws are like making the NFL teams play against "the spread"... This argument about the fans is a joke... The fans show up where the best racers are at... the best racers show up at high paying/time trial events. It's that simple.. If tracks pay high money.. and do time trials (THE ONLY FAIR WAY TO DO IT FOR SERIOUS RACERS) .. it is a lock to get high car counts. With high car counts come big crowds. The only variable is the weather... and serious racer's show up no matter the forecast for the most part. We dropped off the Fastrak Northeast tour because we were tired of being handi-capped by pill draws. I have a picture of a tour race we won at Dog-Hollow. There are 27 people in the picture that came to either help or to watch us race. Now you take 27 people..12 of them were in pits with us.. and 15 were in the stands. 12 people at $35 to get in the pits. 15 people at $15 to get in the stands = $645. So right there we paid for 2nd place in that event. 27 people.. not including the ones who didn't come down to the track for a picture... were there to see one car. 1 car = 27 fans. 1 fan = 1 fan.

Edited by Chuckball5, 29 November 2012 - 02:20 PM.

[Chuckball5]

Let me add that we appreciate beyond words the fans that support our team!!! We believe that we owe it to them to perform on a weekly basis. They do not come out to see us struggle to get from dead last to a transfer spot in an 8-lap heat race. They come out to see us run up front. You take that opportunity away from us by making a crate car (or any car for that matter) start in the back because of a pill draw. Whether you believe it or not... these crate cars in the area are equal.

[slapnuts]

The cars might be equal, but the drivers aren't. Thats the key. You can have the fastest car there, and it will be still hard to get around a weapon behind the wheel.

[Chuckball5]

The cars might be equal, but the drivers aren't. Thats the key. You can have the fastest car there, and it will be still hard to get around a weapon behind the wheel.

Exactly.