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[dirtstudent2]

What you have said is if your left rear is 600 and your right rear is 520 that means you have 80lbs of wedge ... Congratulations a 2nd grader could determine that and then you go in to say that if you want to increase wedge to 120lbs you would add 20 to the left and subtract 20 from the right so 620 left rear and 500 Rr means 120lbs of wedge ... Once again congratulations your as smart as a second grader ... You put this out there like you discovered the theory of relativity ...

There's wedge and there's wedge which goes by the name of bite. I think a 6% change in the wedge/bite your refering to works out to 4.8pounds.

Did I get it correct?

[superbenchracer]

My guess is that you are one of those guys with more money than talent, no real knowledge just a bunch of hot air, you can sure dish stuff out on here it but you sure can't take it. What I say is accurate wether you agree or not.

i agree with that! its really a shame the polebeater car is all TOP notch equipment there is just no excuse for how bad he runs except that he is just that stupid.

[superbenchracer]

All of this coming from the PA polesmoker; whom cant even finish respectably at the track he races regularly. His entire highlight to his racing career; I lapped Fenton at my home track when he sucked; oh and I finished 4th in a heat race behind Miley and of course I would have won but there were cars in front of me; I chose the wrong tires, I missed the set-up, I had trouble, and of course the track changed. Welcome to racing you moron, never done anything polesmoker. Go out to the parking lot and work your smode booth; you may have better success at the track. You are a track packer.

i couldnt have said it better myself. he has used every excuse in the book at one point or another. how many years has he been running supers there and still cant find his a$$ with both hands when it comes to set-up? my favorite is how he bitches about not having enough time to properly prepare his car. the legend easily posts on here more than anybody ALL day long. hey polebeater maybe spend a little more time in the shop and SHOW us how good you are instead of coming on here TALKING about how great you are. truth is you will always be a back of the packer and thanks to all of your chassis wisdom you have shared on here i now know why.

[ramey36]

There's wedge and there's wedge which goes by the name of bite. I think a 6% change in the wedge/bite your refering to works out to 4.8pounds.

Did I get it correct?

I think the term "bite" came about as a way to quickly measure how much crossweight a car had in relation to itself.

Without changing ballast position, you can measure "bite" and know if the car has more or less, therefore more or less crossweight percentage.

In the old days, a socket on the floor jack and lifting the rear of the car under the pumpkin was the easy way to measure bite. If the RR moved up an inch before the left rear moved up at all, you had one inch bite. Add some cross until you had 1-1/4" difference and you had 1-1/4 inches bite. With the advent of grain scales, you could easily prop the front end up and measure rear weight with two grain scales. Then it went to 50 lbs bite, 75 lbs bite, 200 lbs bite, etc.

With digitals, it's just as easy to roll on now and quickly know percentage.

Just my opinion.

ramey

[TheLegend]

i couldnt have said it better myself. he has used every excuse in the book at one point or another. how many years has he been running supers there and still cant find his a$$ with both hands when it comes to set-up? my favorite is how he bitches about not having enough time to properly prepare his car. the legend easily posts on here more than anybody ALL day long. hey polebeater maybe spend a little more time in the shop and SHOW us how good you are instead of coming on here TALKING about how great you are. truth is you will always be a back of the packer and thanks to all of your chassis wisdom you have shared on here i now know why.

Why not grow a set of balls and tell us who you are and what car you work in or drive ...

[ramey36]

There's wedge and there's wedge which goes by the name of bite. I think a 6% change in the wedge/bite your refering to works out to 4.8pounds.

Did I get it correct?

Also, I think wedge, if there was an industry standard definition, would be "crossweight percentage" LR + RF / Total.

If there was an industry standard definition of bite, it would be LR - RR = + bite if LR is larger. If I can't get forward traction off the corner with 50 lb bite, I want 75 then test.

[TheLegend]

The trick I use to check my wedge is I remove the Lr axel and put my schming where the axel was and I go at it Pennsylvania Hole Beater style ... How long it takes me to finish tells me how much wedge is in the car

[TheLegend]

I would say super bench racer should try this except when you only have an inch it's kind of like throwing a hotdog down a hall way and doesn't really touh both sides which would give you a false wedge reading ...

[dirtstudent2]

ramey36, thank you very much for explaining about bite and where it came from. I've either been taken to as a kid or gone to dirt races now off and on for around 60 years and been involved trying to learn about how things work for over 20 now. It's the sort of thing where no matter what you learn there's always more you do not know about, which shows itself to you. What you explained about where thoughts on rear bite came from, as far as inches of bite, I'd never heard before. Thank you again it makes perfect sense to me. I understand your thoughts on, "If I can't get forward traction off the corner with 50 lb bite, I want 75 then test.". I especially like the if 50 ain't enough then put 75 to it and >TEST<. For me it's all about put your best guess on the track and after that it's about solving on track problems. Keeping with the original question I made then it sounds like there are three general ways most look at changing cross. The first is to put turns in the back adding or taking out cross. Or go to the front to do it depending on circumstances. Next some look at dealing with the diagonal as a whole, looking at splitting adjustments made across the whole diagonal And lastly I see some when looking to make a cross adjustment, immediately considering the whole car and wanting to split any adjustment around all four corners.

[ramey36]

Since most chassis cars have critical geometry as it pertains to ride height and bar angles, we tend to change cross by adding a slight amount of ride height to one diagonal and removing a slight amount of ride height to the other diagonal. That keeps the car at the correct attitude, the bar angles correct, and only changes one variable.

So, on a car which is properly set up in the first place and needs a certain crossweight percentage change, I vote whole car.

If the car isn't correct to start with you may need to favor one diagonal or the other, or perhaps even just one corner. When Tony Stewart rolls into the pits in his Sunday ride, one turn in the RR changes that percentage without considering the whole car but it's only a few thousandths ride height and a minuscule percentage.

ramey36, thank you very much for explaining about bite and where it came from.

I've either been taken to as a kid or gone to dirt races now off and on for around 60 years and been involved trying to learn about how things work for over 20 now. It's the sort of thing where no matter what you learn there's always more you do not know about, which shows itself to you. What you explained about where thoughts on rear bite came from, as far as inches of bite, I'd never heard before. Thank you again it makes perfect sense to me.

I understand your thoughts on, "If I can't get forward traction off the corner with 50 lb bite, I want 75 then test.". I especially like the if 50 ain't enough then put 75 to it and >TEST<. For me it's all about put your best guess on the track and after that it's about solving on track problems.

Keeping with the original question I made then it sounds like there are three general ways most look at changing cross.

The first is to put turns in the back adding or taking out cross. Or go to the front to do it depending on circumstances.

Next some look at dealing with the diagonal as a whole, looking at splitting adjustments made across the whole diagonal

And lastly I see some when looking to make a cross adjustment, immediately considering the whole car and wanting to split any adjustment around all four corners.

[superbenchracer]

The trick I use to check my wedge is I remove the Lr axel and put my schming where the axel was and I go at it Pennsylvania Hole Beater style ... How long it takes me to finish tells me how much wedge is in the car

wow really douche bag? its obvious that you have the intelligence of 12 year old. only a degenerate inbread like yourself would think of violating a drive hub and feal the need to share that thought with others. i cant help but notice that male genitalia seems to ALWAYS be on your mind. id say youre gay but thats right youre the pennsylvania hole beater i forgot. anyway im not going to continue to stupe to your level and entertain your childish sense of humour anymore with middle school insults.

but thanks for letting out the secret to your success or lack there of. id bet that your approach to scaling the 69 machine is actualy pretty similar to what you have described. you have thrown out every excuse in the history of racing but i have realized what the real problem is. the problem with your racecar is located between the steering wheel and the seat. i say this because after reading your approach to the set-up of your car i realized that you have no idea what youre doing. plus theres the fact that the pole beater car was a fixture at the back of most every race ive attended at ppms just driving around with very little attitude at all.

i dont care what you say about me not identifying my self so dont waste your time. truth is ive helped more than a few teams over the years with much success and i dont want my views or opinions to reflect negatively on them.

by the way how much wedge do you run? is 25 to 30 seconds alot?

[TheLegend]

wow really douche bag? its obvious that you have the intelligence of 12 year old. only a degenerate inbread like yourself would think of violating a drive hub and feal the need to share that thought with others. i cant help but notice that male genitalia seems to ALWAYS be on your mind. id say youre gay but thats right youre the pennsylvania hole beater i forgot. anyway im not going to continue to stupe to your level and entertain your childish sense of humour anymore with middle school insults.

but thanks for letting out the secret to your success or lack there of. id bet that your approach to scaling the 69 machine is actualy pretty similar to what you have described. you have thrown out every excuse in the history of racing but i have realized what the real problem is. the problem with your racecar is located between the steering wheel and the seat. i say this because after reading your approach to the set-up of your car i realized that you have no idea what youre doing. plus theres the fact that the pole beater car was a fixture at the back of most every race ive attended at ppms just driving around with very little attitude at all.
On second though stand right in front of the car so the go pro catches the action !!
i dont care what you say about me not identifying my self so dont waste your time. truth is ive helped more than a few teams over the years with much success and i dont want my views or opinions to reflect negatively on them.

by the way how much wedge do you run? is 25 to 30 seconds alot?

I figured out who you are .... You must be Scott Bloomquist since he's the only guy who was a threat to win every single time he ever unloaded at Pittsburgh ... If not for
Mechanical failures , crashes and flat tires he might have won 12 pittsburghers .. Clearly that's either you or the guy you helped. I love how you basically suggest that if a guy is able to accurately set a car up to the chassis manufactures specifications that he would win every race .. You can bring the same set up to ppms every week and either win or finish 10th with it and the guys who race there know that which is why they are not on here cocking off like you are. I'm not making excuses ... You only need to make excuses when someone else pays your way .... I pay my own way if I win or don't make the show the only one I answer to is me. Your sooooo confident I won't win in 2013 let's make a deal ... When I win you stand under the flag stand blindfolded while I throw a left high kick at your temple ... I mean there's no chance you say ...

Edited by TheLegend, 05 February 2013 - 04:44 AM.

[TheLegend]

[quote name='superbenchracer' date='Feb 4 2013, 11:40 PM' post='359608']
wow really douche bag? its obvious that you have the intelligence of 12 year old. only a degenerate inbread like yourself would think of violating a drive hub and feal the need to share that thought with others. i cant help but notice that male genitalia seems to ALWAYS be on your mind. id say youre gay but thats right youre the pennsylvania hole beater i forgot. anyway im not going to continue to stupe to your level and entertain your childish sense of humour anymore with middle school insults.

but thanks for letting out the secret to your success or lack there of. id bet that your approach to scaling the 69 machine is actualy pretty similar to what you have described. you have thrown out every excuse in the history of racing but i have realized what the real problem is. the problem with your racecar is located between the steering wheel and the seat. i say this because after reading your approach to the set-up of your car i realized that you have no idea what youre doing. plus theres the fact that the pole beater car was a fixture at the back of most every race ive attended at ppms just driving around with very little attitude at all.

i dont care what you say about me not identifying my self so dont waste your time. truth is ive helped more than a few teams over the years with much success and i dont want my views or opinions to reflect negatively on them.

by the way how much wedge do you run? is 25 to 30 seconds alot?
If your opinions are correct and valid you shouldn't have any risk of negatively reflecting on anyone ... You have less than a half of a ball , maybe get your doctor to perscribe you some
TRT so you can attempt to act like a man .

[DavyLee2]

Legend... Here you go.

Bd3d .. You have to understand .. tows 200 miles with his Qualify setup ( used for Hot Laps , Heats and Feature ) .. The Driver thinks the setup SUCK SMODE! .. The guy who makes the setup is Humpin the driveshaft and says .. the DRIVER SUCKS SMODE ! problem is ..... connect the dots

nise info ram36 thanks!

Edited by DavyLee2, 05 February 2013 - 09:03 AM.

[TheLegend]

Everyone needs to remember Davey lee is the foremost expert on all Things chassis related ... Nothing has you up to date on current late model set ups like driving a 3200lb 150 horsepower amature stock back in 2006 when any modifications were illegal ... This is the same dude who is such a pathetically inadequate craftsman that without a union to prop up his pathetic ass he would be working at McDonald's

Edited by TheLegend, 05 February 2013 - 09:33 AM.

[jakedale]

Bring your shit box with your glorified demo derby driver to the major events I will be at and I will embarrass you ... If your not going to show up you may as well go pound your pud to sheets mc gravy posters like normal ..

Say what you want but leave Sheets out of it!

[TheLegend]

Say what you want but leave Sheets out of it!

Ok fine he can go stroke himself to a rance garlock poster ... Is that better ?

[blue by you]

Bd3d .. You have to understand .. tows 200 miles with his Qualify setup ( used for Hot Laps , Heats and Feature ) .. The Driver thinks the setup SUCK SMODE! .. The guy who makes the setup is Humpin the driveshaft and says .. the DRIVER SUCKS SMODE ! problem is ..... connect the dots

nise info ram36 thanks!

i think he said he was humping the axel tube.... not the driveshaft.l

[TheLegend]

i think he said he was humping the axel tube.... not the driveshaft.l

Yes that is correct , it's impossible to check cross weight by humping the drive shaft only the drive flange !!