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[Rusty_Nuts]

Rumor has it that a rule for the stock car division was recently changed. From what i hear and read, Lernerville has decidely allowed the drivers to rebuild the frame rails along what is supposed to be a stock frame. I was intrigued so i did a little research. I have seen pictures of Corey Mcphersons new car and Brett mcdonalds. Both cars were being built by that Chris Snider guy from s&s cars. I had noticed the frame rails were being modified and it was something i had never seen before but is exactly what i had heard about. Now here is the twist. I had printed off the rules for all of lernervilles division on March 20th. I also saw the pictures were dated for before march 20th. According to the rules, the frame rails are not allowed to be modified. They must remain stock. I went back onto Lernervilles website and printed off the same rules again. However, this rule has been changed. I have no idea when but within the past 10 days. Now i question these ideas. How is that fair to the other competitors that were not aware of the rule? Does this chris guy make all the rules for lernerville? How can lernerville accept this rule knowing it hurts the drivers that do not own an s&s car? Sounds like there is some $hit going on if you ask me.

[racing41]

NO big surprise rules come out late and change to what ever Chris wants. Has been like this for years .

[friends with everybody]

Is that a tear in your voice I hear. I seen theses frames by my eye he's not changing anything but the long rails with a 2x3 tubing just like uni body cars. Getting hard to find good frames that doesn't have rust on them JMO. No dog in the fight don't run lernerville

[Lernerville PR BigE]

Patently untrue. The 2013 rules were posted on February 26 and the only change from the 2012 rules at that time were an update on the carburetor. 2013 Rules: 2. FRAMES: Must be stock for year make and model from center of rear spring pocket to the steering box. Minimum 105'' wheelbase. If car was manufactured without a full frame, front and rear frame sections must be tied together with a minimum 2” x 3” frame box section. Square tubing permitted in rear section of frame for fuel cell mounting. No front snout modifications. No remanufacturing up to back of spring pockets. NOTE: On uni-bodied cars only, a homemade frame may be constructed using steel rectangular tubing only with a minimum specification of 2" x 3" .120 wall thickness. The 2” x 3" dimension must be in a vertical position. If using this option it must start at rear of the front stock OEM sub-frame and continue all the way back to the front of the OEM rear sub-frame. At the termination of the midrail, a stock “OEM” frame section must be used and to include stock “OEM” front spring brackets, and continue on including the stock shock mounts. From the rear of the shock mounts 2 x 3 box tubing may be continued to make up the rear of the chassis. Uni-body may be lined with tubing for support only. Springs and locating bars for rear will be measured and compared to stock specifications for legality. The proper construction of this frame option on welds, cross members, roll cage and brace tie-ins will be up to the discretion of the officials. An X brace must be constructed to tie the frame rails together at the front cage loop, passing under the driver’s seat. Frames must be kicked out equally on the right and left sides. Roll cage must mount on both kickouts only. 2012 Rules: 2. FRAMES: Must be stock for year make and model from center of rear spring pocket to the steering box. Minimum 105'' wheelbase. If car was manufactured without a full frame, front and rear frame sections must be tied together with a minimum 2” x 3” frame box section. Square tubing permitted in rear section of frame for fuel cell mounting. No front snout modifications. No remanufacturing up to back of spring pockets. NOTE: On uni-bodied cars only, a homemade frame may be constructed using steel rectangular tubing only with a minimum specification of 2" x 3" .120 wall thickness. The 2” x 3" dimension must be in a vertical position. If using this option it must start at rear of the front stock OEM sub-frame and continue all the way back to the front of the OEM rear sub-frame. At the termination of the midrail, a stock “OEM” frame section must be used and to include stock “OEM” front spring brackets, and continue on including the stock shock mounts. From the rear of the shock mounts 2 x 3 box tubing may be continued to make up the rear of the chassis. Uni-body may be lined with tubing for support only. Springs and locating bars for rear will be measured and compared to stock specifications for legality. The proper construction of this frame option on welds, cross members, roll cage and brace tie-ins will be up to the discretion of the officials. An X brace must be constructed to tie the frame rails together at the front cage loop, passing under the driver’s seat. Frames must be kicked out equally on the right and left sides. Roll cage must mount on both kickouts only.

[Schwarty28s]

I also seen these frames when I was up there, didnt see anything wrong with what he was doing, good clean frames are getting tough to find. Cant really see any advantage to what he is doing. JMO

[Hotrod98]

Check offsets and engine locations from what I was told. Was told some motors are 5 and a half inches back and there is on off set. Tech better look close before its out of control again. It's a shame to mess up a good division like that.

Edited by Hotrod98, 01 April 2013 - 09:20 AM.

[Space Racer]

Detroit doesn't hasn't made full stock frames rail cars for decades. Unibody cars have tubing connectors, so IMO the only thing that should be required in this class is a stock front stub. Tubing frame replacement is the direction that this division is headed if it is going to survive in the future. If they are using tubuing in the back, it should not be offset.

[Hotrod98]

Patently untrue. The 2013 rules were posted on February 26 and the only change from the 2012 rules at that time were an update on the carburetor.

2013 Rules:
2. FRAMES: Must be stock for year make and model from center of rear spring pocket to the steering box. Minimum 105'' wheelbase. If car was manufactured without a full frame, front and rear frame sections must be tied together with a minimum 2” x 3” frame box section. Square tubing permitted in rear section of frame for fuel cell mounting. No front snout modifications. No remanufacturing up to back of spring pockets.
NOTE: On uni-bodied cars only, a homemade frame may be constructed using steel rectangular tubing only with a minimum specification of 2" x 3" .120 wall thickness. The 2” x 3" dimension must be in a vertical position. If using this option it must start at rear of the front stock OEM sub-frame and continue all the way back to the front of the OEM rear sub-frame. At the termination of the midrail, a stock “OEM” frame section must be used and to include stock “OEM” front spring brackets, and continue on including the stock shock mounts. From the rear of the shock mounts 2 x 3 box tubing may be continued to make up the rear of the chassis. Uni-body may be lined with tubing for support only. Springs and locating bars for rear will be measured and compared to stock specifications for legality. The proper construction of this frame option on welds, cross members, roll cage and brace tie-ins will be up to the discretion of the officials. An X brace must be constructed to tie the frame rails together at the front cage loop, passing under the driver’s seat. Frames must be kicked out equally on the right and left sides. Roll cage must mount on both kickouts only.


2012 Rules:
2. FRAMES: Must be stock for year make and model from center of rear spring pocket to the steering box. Minimum 105'' wheelbase. If car was manufactured without a full frame, front and rear frame sections must be tied together with a minimum 2” x 3” frame box section. Square tubing permitted in rear section of frame for fuel cell mounting. No front snout modifications. No remanufacturing up to back of spring pockets.
NOTE: On uni-bodied cars only, a homemade frame may be constructed using steel rectangular tubing only with a minimum specification of 2" x 3" .120 wall thickness. The 2” x 3" dimension must be in a vertical position. If using this option it must start at rear of the front stock OEM sub-frame and continue all the way back to the front of the OEM rear sub-frame. At the termination of the midrail, a stock “OEM” frame section must be used and to include stock “OEM” front spring brackets, and continue on including the stock shock mounts. From the rear of the shock mounts 2 x 3 box tubing may be continued to make up the rear of the chassis. Uni-body may be lined with tubing for support only. Springs and locating bars for rear will be measured and compared to stock specifications for legality. The proper construction of this frame option on welds, cross members, roll cage and brace tie-ins will be up to the discretion of the officials. An X brace must be constructed to tie the frame rails together at the front cage loop, passing under the driver’s seat. Frames must be kicked out equally on the right and left sides. Roll cage must mount on both kickouts only.

Looks as if these cars are illegal then and should be treated as such.

[Aron41D]

[quote name='Rusty_Nuts' date='Mar 31 2013, 11:51 PM' post='362522']
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Now i question these ideas. How is that fair to the other competitors that were not aware of the rule? Does this chris guy make all the rules for lernerville? How can lernerville accept this rule knowing it hurts the drivers that do not own an s&s car?

Sounds like there is some $hit going on if you ask

Another person watching that has no clue but thinks he knows everything... Why don't you let the guys that race the class with these cars worry about it? Funny the 28s that races with them saw what you speak of and has absolutely no issues with his competitors cars.... So maybe you shouldn't worry about since you don't have a dog in the fight??? But I forgot you read the rules so you know everything about everything...

[Rusty_Nuts]

NO big surprise rules come out late and change to what ever Chris wants. Has been like this for years .

My exact point. I am in no way affiliated with anything in the stock division, however, i still feel that (if i understood everything correctly), these rule changes were unfair. I would make a case no matter what the division is. As a spectator with years of experience in the sport, i try to do my own tidbits of research and point out what i feel is unfair for competitors. Just to find out whther i am wrong or not.

[Paul55]

Here we go purestock gate starting already lol!

[Rusty_Nuts]

Another person watching that has no clue but thinks he knows everything... Why don't you let the guys that race the class with these cars worry about it? Funny the 28s that races with them saw what you speak of and has absolutely no issues with his competitors cars.... So maybe you shouldn't worry about since you don't have a dog in the fight??? But I forgot you read the rules so you know everything about everything...

wow. you truely are one of the most disrespectful people i have ever talked to. I simply brought up a topic of conversation to gain knowledge on it and you instantly become a 4th grade and decide to insult me. Absolutely pathetic.

Also, the 28s has an s&s car. I am bby no means accusing him of anything. Just pointing out facts.

Other than that, I thank everyone else that has commented on the topic in a more proffesional manner.

[Aron41D]

wow. you truely are one of the most disrespectful people i have ever talked to. I simply brought up a topic of conversation to gain knowledge on it and you instantly become a 4th grade and decide to insult me. Absolutely pathetic.

Also, the 28s has an s&s car. I am bby no means accusing him of anything. Just pointing out facts.

Other than that, I thank everyone else that has commented on the topic in a more proffesional manner.

Because you are posting a rumor. Not bringing up a topic for conversation.YOU are accusing s and s cars of somethig you know nothing about. You think Chris appreciates you running your mouth about him or his cars??? Who is disrespectful dude?? You are. You're causing problems and issues that don't need caused. Shut up and let the racers worry about. And read my signature I'm an asshole deal with it. And have never talkedto you.. We are typing not talking

[Rusty_Nuts]

Looks as if these cars are illegal then and should be treated as such.

Mind if i ask what you see?

[Rusty_Nuts]

Because you are posting a rumor. Not bringing up a topic for conversation.YOU are accusing s and s cars of somethig you know nothing about. You think Chris appreciates you running your mouth about him or his cars??? Who is disrespectful dude?? You are. You're causing problems and issues that don't need caused. Shut up and let the racers worry about. And read my signature I'm an asshole deal with it. And have never talkedto you.. We are typing not talking

I am posting a rumor to bring it up as a topic of conversation. I know nothing about it? You keep thinking that. No offense to chris, but i believe many purestock guys have had issues with him/his car/his rules before. This isnt just a one time deal. Like i said, i am just trying to figure out the facts. Thats why people post stuff on here and why other people answer those posts. Not sure if you understand that or not.

Lastly, you claim, "You're causing problems and issues that don't need caused". See the irony in your statement? Now please log off. Or at least give intellectual input on the matter at hand. Thank you

[Paul55]

wow. you truely are one of the most disrespectful people i have ever talked to. I simply brought up a topic of conversation to gain knowledge on it and you instantly become a 4th grade and decide to insult me. Absolutely pathetic.

Also, the 28s has an s&s car. I am bby no means accusing him of anything. Just pointing out facts.

Other than that, I thank everyone else that has commented on the topic in a more proffesional manner.

The 28 aint an s&s!

[Rusty_Nuts]

The 28 aint an s&s!

I was not aware. My apologizes. Thank you.

[Schwarty28s]

Sorry to ruin anyones post here but I DO NOT have as SS Chassis, my old car that was at the mall show is an Iorio / Whitling chassis. Our newer car is a Whitling Chassis ( Slider Chassis ) Sometimes I think we really overthink these stock car chassis and set ups. And anyone that knows me can tell ya come crawl all around that thing....I dont care.

[Rusty_Nuts]

Sorry to ruin anyones post here but I DO NOT have as SS Chassis, my old car that was at the mall show is an Iorio / Whitling chassis. Our newer car is a Whitling Chassis ( Slider Chassis ) Sometimes I think we really overthink these stock car chassis and set ups. And anyone that knows me can tell ya come crawl all around that thing....I dont care.

That was just my post. ha I was misunderstood about what car you had. Thanks for clearing it up. Good luck racing this year. Congrats on the Pittsburgh win last year as well.

[Aron41D]

I was not aware. My apologizes. Thank you.

Proved my point to a T!!!! you know absolutely nothing about what you are posting.. Maybe you should log out and get your facts straight before you start posting. At least I know what the hell I'm posting