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[Rusty_Nuts]

Proved my point to a T!!!! you know absolutely nothing about what you are posting.. Maybe you should log out and get your facts straight before you start posting. At least I know what the hell I'm posting

It was one sentence out of 45 i have written so far. And my true topic has yet to even be truely discussed. I havent heard any of your bright ideas. Yes, i was wrong about the 28s. I admitted that. You have been wrong before as well. And ill be sure to point it out next time i see something Have a nice night

[Aron41D]

It was one sentence out of 45 i have written so far. And my true topic has yet to even be truely discussed. I havent heard any of your bright ideas. Yes, i was wrong about the 28s. I admitted that. You have been wrong before as well. And ill be sure to point it out next time i see something Have a nice night

I gave you my bright idea. Shut up and let the racers deal with. If you had not started this "rumor" topic we wouldn't be discussing this. Maybe you should call Chris and ask him about it since you are so worried. But no you will post about it on here and make more rumors fly because that's what you do. It's a piece of metal frame rail man. Pretty sure the frame rail isn't gonna make the car faster lol. And I'm wrong all the time not afraid to admit that. But I don't post false facts I can tell ya that much. I research stuff like that first if I'm gonna flap my fingers.

[Rusty_Nuts]

I gave you my bright idea. Shut up and let the racers deal with. If you had not started this "rumor" topic we wouldn't be discussing this. Maybe you should call Chris and ask him about it since you are so worried. But no you will post about it on here and make more rumors fly because that's what you do. It's a piece of metal frame rail man. Pretty sure the frame rail isn't gonna make the car faster lol. And I'm wrong all the time not afraid to admit that. But I don't post false facts I can tell ya that much. I research stuff like that first if I'm gonna flap my fingers.

Alright. Obviously, you are one of those people that "never lose" arguements. Im not going to waste my time with you. If anyone else has a respectable comment on the topic., I would love to hear it. I just want to figure out what is going on. That is all. Not trying to start a massive fight.

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As i said before, have a nice night. I hope the medication helps.

[Foz20J]

I have a SS Chassis and mine doesn't have the box tubing for the side frame rails and neither does Chris Schneiders 55 car that he has raced for years and is very competitive eveywhere he races. The box tubing for the side frame rails is something stock car chassis builders are doin now just for the simple fact that complete metric frames in good shape are hard to come by. Most frames that are found these days aren't in good shape and using box tubing in place of the side frame rails has no performance advantage. It just makes them stronger than the stock ones.

Edited by Foz20J, 01 April 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[Rusty_Nuts]

I have a SS Chassis and mine doesn't have the box tubing for the side frame rails and neither does Chris Schneiders 55 car that he has raced for years and is very competitive eveywhere he races. The box tubing for the side frame rails is something stock car chassis builders are doin now just for the simple fact that complete metric frames in good shape are hard to come by. Most frames that are found these days aren't in good shape and using box tubing in place of the side frame rails has no performance advantage. It just makes them stronger than the stock ones.

Thank you for the professionalism. It is hard to come by these days. Yes, what i had heard is that reinforcements were allowed but not the complete reconstruction. I was also curious whether is had an advantage or not so thank you for your help. Congrats on best car. Looked very nice

[Foz20J]

Thank you for the professionalism. It is hard to come by these days. Yes, what i had heard is that reinforcements were allowed but not the complete reconstruction. I was also curious whether is had an advantage or not so thank you for your help. Congrats on best car. Looked very nice

Thank you and you're welcome for the compliments. Maybe not having our racing fix every week is making people a bit cranky and hoping this weather changes soon so that we can all have some fun.

[Rusty_Nuts]

Thank you and you're welcome for the compliments. Maybe not having our racing fix every week is making people a bit cranky and hoping this weather changes soon so that we can all have some fun.

Excellent point. I hope it does as well. Today was definately a little nicer. Lets pray this trend continues

[Space Racer]

It's definitely a safety factor. Frame rails should be able to be rebuilt from tubing on these cars as long as they aren't offset.

[W.O.T 3 WIDE]

Its the same as the rear frame rails on these metric chassis's good luck finding one thats not swiss cheese, We have been allowed to replace them with box tubing for years now, no performance advantage, just makes a stronger rear frame area.

[4effer]

make sure that the wheelbases are checked. OFTEN

[vin_dudester]

funny topic..... there are no more STOCK cars.......

[Skull]

I think the root of the problem here is that Schneider is the primary consultant for Stock rules at Lernerville, all the while making his living in part by building many of those same stocks. I don't think people are completely out of line for thinking there could be a conflict of interest.

[BaconBits]

funny topic..... there are no more STOCK cars.......

Ain't that the truth.

[KartRacer1]

I think the root of the problem here is that Schneider is the primary consultant for Stock rules at Lernerville, all the while making his living in part by building many of those same stocks. I don't think people are completely out of line for thinking there could be a conflict of interest.

I see your point with the conflict of interest. However, I think that in the interest of safety and what is currently happening with finding clean and solid frames, a guy like Chris would be a very valuable advisor to the track. I also think that to keep it fair maybe get opinions from other local chassis builders. Have something like a tech advisory board for the stock class since it is the only class that really isn't governed by a national or regional sanctioning body.

[Rusty_Nuts]

I see your point with the conflict of interest. However, I think that in the interest of safety and what is currently happening with finding clean and solid frames, a guy like Chris would be a very valuable advisor to the track. I also think that to keep it fair maybe get opinions from other local chassis builders. Have something like a tech advisory board for the stock class since it is the only class that really isn't governed by a national or regional sanctioning body.

That is an excellent idea. Instead of the biased opinion from S&S, it would be a smart idea to bring in multiple of the street stock chassis builders to decide upon the legal rules for lernerville. Therefore, no discussion can be made about all of the new rule changes simply benefitting the S&S cars that chris builds. I like that idea.

Who are the options? Kline(the other brother), S&S, ....?

[KartRacer1]

That is an excellent idea. Instead of the biased opinion from S&S, it would be a smart idea to bring in multiple of the street stock chassis builders to decide upon the legal rules for lernerville. Therefore, no discussion can be made about all of the new rule changes simply benefitting the S&S cars that chris builds. I like that idea.

Who are the options? Kline(the other brother), S&S, ....?

Well I would think that you would have S&S, Bobby Whitling (Slider Chassis), maybe someone from CSC (in canada) who can offer some input via phone, and a few other guys. I think that this way everyone is one the same page and this can obviously help make the cars safer. Who know's maybe this will catch on and maybe this could turn into a commitee for most local and regional tracks to help make the rules more uniform.

[Hotrod98]

That is an excellent idea. Instead of the biased opinion from S&S, it would be a smart idea to bring in multiple of the street stock chassis builders to decide upon the legal rules for lernerville. Therefore, no discussion can be made about all of the new rule changes simply benefitting the S&S cars that chris builds. I like that idea.

Who are the options? Kline(the other brother), S&S, ....?

And would stop rule changes 2 weeks before race season as well. You know, keep everyone on a level playing field. Would be an awesome idea. I think the guys that don't run S&S cars should be involved or have a say. Like Miller, Kelly, Lipinski, Egle, Flick and all the others... Would be good to get all together on same page for once.

[Rusty_Nuts]

And would stop rule changes 2 weeks before race season as well. You know, keep everyone on a level playing field. Would be an awesome idea. I think the guys that don't run S&S cars should be involved or have a say. Like Miller, Kelly, Lipinski, Egle, Flick and all the others... Would be good to get all together on same page for once.

Good point. But I doubt Lernerville will do anything about it. You would think they would have enough knowledge to know that these rules could be slightly biased but still never cared or bothered to do anything about it. Definitely good ideas though.

[Hotrod98]

Good point. But I doubt Lernerville will do anything about it. You would think they would have enough knowledge to know that these rules could be slightly biased but still never cared or bothered to do anything about it. Definitely good ideas though.

Well not so sure, heard from a little birdie that a letter was sent to Dirt ( not like they help much ) But who knows, maybe they are unaware of whats happening. I feel that if you write the rules, that somewhat makes you an "employee" of the track. Therefore, why would it be allowed to create your own rules for the division you build cars for as well as race yourself? Seems fishy. And also to changes the rules at your leisure? Again......Fishy. A group needs to be formed to get these rules under control before what i think is the best division is ruined. For example, the deck heights now are out of control, seems to need a rule to control that. I think we will change our car to match the deck heights of the newer ones getting built and add some wedge then put our spoiler on just to prove a point.

[vin_dudester]

Stock lower front control arm mounts, 104 wheel base, 6 inch engine set back, and any double triangulated 4 bar in the rear.... weight will depend on motor...... yah I'm going there... lol.....EVERY SINGLE STOCK HAS ONE OR MORE OF THESE THINGS CHANGED ANY WAYS.. LOL LOL... make it the rules already