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[tooslow]

a few years ago it was scott stein in the hot seat ever one said he was cheating,he move up to llm and now he is winning there.Maybe they can both just drive a racecar. Everyone else should do their homework on their car and beat him

[chumlee]

a few years ago it was scott stein in the hot seat ever one said he was cheating,he move up to llm and now he is winning there.Maybe they can both just drive a racecar. Everyone else should do their homework on their car and beat him

Yes Scott was accused of cheating about 8 Years ago because he was winning every damn race and it became a bore to watch and he moved up, and after a couple years he spent some time in the seat he is now one of the best steel block drivers in the area. But you are comparing apples to oranges, smith is dominating the class and lapping almost all the cars in the feature, stein had to work through the competition and had some other cars that could run with him, sure he would lap a few cars but not 2\3 of the field. Face it Smiths car looks like, sounds like and handles like a late model, and I would be willing to bet if you had to run against him you would wonder about it too.

[Skull]

Is Nates car legal at lernerville? like to see him run there against 55 and the 2 car. i bet they tech there

Can't speak of what is under the sheet metal, but that body can't be Lernerville legal. I don't see any cars with LM bodies currently running at Lernerville.

If it is legal for him to run that big 430 C.I. hammer, then I can't understand what people are bitching about. It's his own stupidity to spend that kind of cash to win $450. Hell, he ain't the only one doing it.

As far as Nate as a driver, I don't think he's anything special, but his car sure as hell is. If I was to pick one MCS regular to put in my car, it'd be the #222, Jeff Sweeney.

Edited by Skull, 13 June 2013 - 06:25 AM.

[Drtracer27]

Yes Scott was accused of cheating about 8 Years ago because he was winning every damn race and it became a bore to watch and he moved up, and after a couple years he spent some time in the seat he is now one of the best steel block drivers in the area. But you are comparing apples to oranges, smith is dominating the class and lapping almost all the cars in the feature, stein had to work through the competition and had some other cars that could run with him, sure he would lap a few cars but not 2\3 of the field. Face it Smiths car looks like, sounds like and handles like a late model, and I would be willing to bet if you had to run against him you would wonder about it too.

Just as I asked you last time, what exactly do you think is illegal on his car? I bet it is dual carbs? The 55 car has finished right on his bumper a couple of times this year and if the 55 had been able to work his way through the field quicker and got ahead of him he probably would have beat him.

When you are fast and a big winner people either love you or hate you, that is human nature and one of the things that makes racing fun and interesting for the fans. You definitely don't have to like him but to throw out baseless accusations about the kid without doing any research is ridiculous. If he continues to win and run as well as he has then I hope to see him move up but this is the first year he has been the big winner, last year Jeff Sweeny dominated the class.

Funny that nobody is accusing Andrew Satterlee of cheating? He dominated the LLM class with a little crate motor against some very healthy late model motors and this year he has won just as many races as Nate has and is just as dominate. He can start anywhere in the field and work his way to the front. He really should be undefeated there this year. A good car and a good driver with absolute confidence in his car is a lethal combination.

Has any of the keyboard hero's here actually talked to Rich about the situation? If you are so absolutely certain he is cheating and it is a big enough concern to you that you would come on a public message board and label the kid a cheater then you should have no problem finding Rich at the track and discussing it with him. That would seem to make a lot more sense then this.

And for a driver from another track that has probably not been to MCS this year to start this discussion shows a probable personal agenda. Maybe/probably Jealousy?

You are definitely welcome to your opinion that MCS has gone down hill in the last 10 years but I think the majority of the people who have been there would strongly disagree with you. The surface has been great, the fields have been great, the payout had a very nice increase this year. The restrooms are absolutely ridiculous but besides that the place seems to be doing very well. Maybe if you are so firmly against it you need to try another local Saturday night track. You aren't going to be able to fully enjoy a night out if you are so stressed out about the place.

[chumlee]

Just as I asked you last time, what exactly do you think is illegal on his car? I bet it is dual carbs? The 55 car has finished right on his bumper a couple of times this year and if the 55 had been able to work his way through the field quicker and got ahead of him he probably would have beat him.

When you are fast and a big winner people either love you or hate you, that is human nature and one of the things that makes racing fun and interesting for the fans. You definitely don't have to like him but to throw out baseless accusations about the kid without doing any research is ridiculous. If he continues to win and run as well as he has then I hope to see him move up but this is the first year he has been the big winner, last year Jeff Sweeny dominated the class.

Funny that nobody is accusing Andrew Satterlee of cheating? He dominated the LLM class with a little crate motor against some very healthy late model motors and this year he has won just as many races as Nate has and is just as dominate. He can start anywhere in the field and work his way to the front. He really should be undefeated there this year. A good car and a good driver with absolute confidence in his car is a lethal combination.

Has any of the keyboard hero's here actually talked to Rich about the situation? If you are so absolutely certain he is cheating and it is a big enough concern to you that you would come on a public message board and label the kid a cheater then you should have no problem finding Rich at the track and discussing it with him. That would seem to make a lot more sense then this.

And for a driver from another track that has probably not been to MCS this year to start this discussion shows a probable personal agenda. Maybe/probably Jealousy?

You are definitely welcome to your opinion that MCS has gone down hill in the last 10 years but I think the majority of the people who have been there would strongly disagree with you. The surface has been great, the fields have been great, the payout had a very nice increase this year. The restrooms are absolutely ridiculous but besides that the place seems to be doing very well. Maybe if you are so firmly against it you need to try another local Saturday night track. You aren't going to be able to fully enjoy a night out if you are so stressed out about the place.

As I said before jackhole , I'm not accusing him of cheating I'm saying somebody needs to check this out to piut this issue to rest.

Andrew Satterlee does have a good car this year BUT his car has been torn down by fastrack and found to be completely legal. If Nate is legal let him race but if he is found to be cheating make him move up.

As far as finding Rich goes I'm pretty sure the issue has been brought to his attention and thus far nothing has been done about it. As far as the track yes they have drawn some great fields, payout could be more, but its not bad. Track prep is lacking a little bit as far as keeping the dust down, but yes they do put on a good show.

Don't come on here saying Im bitching about something I know nothing about, all I ask is that the track takes a look and puts this issue to rest.

[Drtracer27]

First off what exactly is a jackhole? I am not certain but I am assuming you are calling me a childish name? I have seen it expressed by some very wise people in history that swearing and name calling is a result of a limited vocabulary and an inability to express oneself with words. Which is one of the problems with responding on public forums, you are not really sure of the age or acumen of the people you are conversing with. By saying over and over again that he needs to be teched and that his car should not be that much faster then everyone else that sure seems like you are at least infering if not accusing Nate Smith of cheating. Although, I did quote your comment at the beginning of my reply the entirety of my post wasn't directed at you alone. Nowhere did I say that you didn't know anything about any of the posts you have made, but you have made posts implying that his engine is illegal and that an engine builder needs to be brought in to tech his engine. I have simply asked you, in this thread and the other thread that you posted referencing to Nate being illegal, what you thought might be illegal with his engine. And it is still my question, I have read the rules and I have seen his engine bay and it leaves me wondering what might be illegal with his engine? Has Andrew's car been torn down at Marion Center Speedway? Nate's car can be torn down by Lernerville Speedway but that doesn't mean he can't change things if he feels he can get away with it at another track. That is a pretty lame answer to that question, it seems more likely that Andrew is somebody that you would be more willing to cheer for thus look at in a different light. And I am glad for Andrew and the success he has had and I am sure he has worked hard to earn it. If you feel strongly enough to post it here multiple times that you think Nate's car needs torn down then the 2 minutes it would take to make sure the prospect has been brought to Rich's attention should be worth it. Being pretty sure it has been brought to his attention is much different then being sure it has. You can always give people the benefit of the doubt before just doubting them. I have never said two words to Nate Smith in my life but I do know who he is. He just graduated high school a couple of years ago. The thought of moving up to LM or at least LLM was discussed but he and his father felt that it was important for him to complete a post high school education and make sure he is on the right course for the rest of his life before they made such a big jump. This decision gave me a little more respect for Nate and his father and showed that they realized that there is more to life then racing and those things are more important. Now that he has got a good education that has led to a good job maybe he will be able to put his time and focus on moving up in the racing world. But if he does it will be for him and on his time table. Both he and his father get up and go to work everyday and work long hours to be able to put the required money into their racing operation and then spend a large portion of their free time working on making it faster. Nothing has been given to them and they have earned everything that they have. I am willing to bet that if somebody talked to them about taking a look at their car to see if it is legal they would probably have no problem. But that also doesn't mean they want people looking at everything they have in their car to steal setups.

[chumlee]

First off what exactly is a jackhole? I am not certain but I am assuming you are calling me a childish name? I have seen it expressed by some very wise people in history that swearing and name calling is a result of a limited vocabulary and an inability to express oneself with words. Which is one of the problems with responding on public forums, you are not really sure of the age or acumen of the people you are conversing with.

By saying over and over again that he needs to be teched and that his car should not be that much faster then everyone else that sure seems like you are at least infering if not accusing Nate Smith of cheating. Although, I did quote your comment at the beginning of my reply the entirety of my post wasn't directed at you alone.

Nowhere did I say that you didn't know anything about any of the posts you have made, but you have made posts implying that his engine is illegal and that an engine builder needs to be brought in to tech his engine. I have simply asked you, in this thread and the other thread that you posted referencing to Nate being illegal, what you thought might be illegal with his engine. And it is still my question, I have read the rules and I have seen his engine bay and it leaves me wondering what might be illegal with his engine?

Has Andrew's car been torn down at Marion Center Speedway? Nate's car can be torn down by Lernerville Speedway but that doesn't mean he can't change things if he feels he can get away with it at another track. That is a pretty lame answer to that question, it seems more likely that Andrew is somebody that you would be more willing to cheer for thus look at in a different light. And I am glad for Andrew and the success he has had and I am sure he has worked hard to earn it.

If you feel strongly enough to post it here multiple times that you think Nate's car needs torn down then the 2 minutes it would take to make sure the prospect has been brought to Rich's attention should be worth it. Being pretty sure it has been brought to his attention is much different then being sure it has. You can always give people the benefit of the doubt before just doubting them.

I have never said two words to Nate Smith in my life but I do know who he is. He just graduated high school a couple of years ago. The thought of moving up to LM or at least LLM was discussed but he and his father felt that it was important for him to complete a post high school education and make sure he is on the right course for the rest of his life before they made such a big jump. This decision gave me a little more respect for Nate and his father and showed that they realized that there is more to life then racing and those things are more important. Now that he has got a good education that has led to a good job maybe he will be able to put his time and focus on moving up in the racing world. But if he does it will be for him and on his time table. Both he and his father get up and go to work everyday and work long hours to be able to put the required money into their racing operation and then spend a large portion of their free time working on making it faster. Nothing has been given to them and they have earned everything that they have. I am willing to bet that if somebody talked to them about taking a look at their car to see if it is legal they would probably have no problem. But that also doesn't mean they want people looking at everything they have in their car to steal setups.

Well thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to chat with us nose picking, dirt licking, inbred hillbillys.

Yes the first race of the year Satterlees car was torn down at Marion center by a fastrack official, and as I said before was found to be legal.

Yes I know for fact somebody has raised this issue to Richs attention, I was standing next to him when it happened.

Yes I think it should be an engine builder that takes a look at the motor. Who better to tear down a motor than an engine builder. Do I think his engine is illegal, yes, how else is he able to outpower every other car on the track.

Now if you will excuse me I'm going back to pick in my nose and flickin boogers against the wall.

Edited by chumlee, 12 June 2013 - 09:31 PM.

[scott56s]

Well thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to chat with us nose picking, dirt licking, inbred hillbillys.

Yes the first race of the year Satterlees car was torn down at Marion center by a fastrack official, and as I said before was found to be legal.

Yes I know for fact somebody has raised this issue to Richs attention, I was standing next to him when it happened.

Yes I think it should be an engine builder that takes a look at the motor. Who better to tear down a motor than an engine builder. Do I think his engine is illegal, yes, how else is he able to outpower every other car on the track.

Now if you will excuse me I'm going back to pick in my nose and flickin boogers against the wall.

THE MOTOR CANT BE ILLEGAL THERE ARE NO MOTOR RULES. NO MOTOR RULES BUILD AS BIG AS YOU CAN. I REPEAT NO MOTOR RULES.

[Rusty_Nuts]

He runs against both these guys every week at Marion Center, lol.

Party on, Wayne!!

At Marion Center bud. No rules at Marion Center. That's why the 55 takes his blue car there now. Because it was the topic of an "illegal car" argument when he ran it at Lernerville.

And that Nate Smith has a HAMMER OF A MOTOR. No idea what it is but you can see him pull EVERYONE 3-4-5 car lengths down the straights. That's just not even fair game. I don't care how fast the other guys can get through the turns, nothing can beat that motor.

He has never impressed me once as a driver. He simply has superior equipment. The sad part is how many wrecks and stupid moves he has made during races. He easily has the fastest car every week and is still consistently brought off on a hook. Kid needs to use some more brains instead of brawn.

As for him racing with Lernerville guys, switch up your idea of thinking. Have him play by their rules and ill bet you a years salary that Flick, McPherson, Kelley, and Miller absolutely clean his clock. You cant send those guys up to Marion Center with Lernerville rules and expect them to compete with the motors and equipment allowed to run there on a weekly basis.

[Rusty_Nuts]

Just as I asked you last time, what exactly do you think is illegal on his car? I bet it is dual carbs? The 55 car has finished right on his bumper a couple of times this year and if the 55 had been able to work his way through the field quicker and got ahead of him he probably would have beat him.

When you are fast and a big winner people either love you or hate you, that is human nature and one of the things that makes racing fun and interesting for the fans. You definitely don't have to like him but to throw out baseless accusations about the kid without doing any research is ridiculous. If he continues to win and run as well as he has then I hope to see him move up but this is the first year he has been the big winner, last year Jeff Sweeny dominated the class.

Ever since the discussion last year about that Sneider blue 55 car, it has become clear that that car is also not a legal car at many other tracks either. That's why he is limited to tracks such as Marion Center and he started running that black 55 at Lernerville. However, Chris is a talented driver. He is very good in the stock division and if the equipment was equal, I would take Chris any day to beat Nate Smith. But seriously. No one understands how powerful that 28n motor is. Its amazing. I see those guys try everything they can to keep up with that 28N but nothing can work.

People keep saying that its because he is the best driver, etc, etc.. Bull$shit. Have you seen that car on a restart?? He can pass 4 cars before they reach turn 1. And he does it consistently. That's not a good "jump" or good handling. That's a freaking powerful motor boys.

And Sweeney didn't dominate last year. The website shows that Smith won the points. The reason Sweeney won a lot of races was because he isn't all brawn no brains. Watch him. Sweeney is a smart driver that works people over like he should. Nate Smith puts his car in terrible circumstance on a consistent basis and gets himself in many wrecks. Jeff Sweeney is easily the best Marion Center regular in the stock car division. Put Sweeney in the 28N car and I bet he never loses a race. Smith will because he'll wreck it

[L.B]

After watching his car I would definitely give his engine builder Helman Machine credit for building him one of the most powerful engines in that class. And Dave Kline motor sports for such a good handling car. Them two together with a good aggressive driver puts the car to the front.

[racer777]

Rusty nuts~ your 9,000% correct my friend. Throw in a 3 link rear that the "tech official" doesn't know what that is ... Cuz this has been brought up . It works like a latemodel. The only thing drivers ask for is a level playing field.you wanna run latemodels, move up . But to have something the rest isn't allowed like last year running a Bert and no one else was allowed is bullshit.

[Skull]

Ever since the discussion last year about that Sneider blue 55 car, it has become clear that that car is also not a legal car at many other tracks either. That's why he is limited to tracks such as Marion Center and he started running that black 55 at Lernerville. However, Chris is a talented driver. He is very good in the stock division and if the equipment was equal, I would take Chris any day to beat Nate Smith. But seriously. No one understands how powerful that 28n motor is. Its amazing. I see those guys try everything they can to keep up with that 28N but nothing can work.

People keep saying that its because he is the best driver, etc, etc.. Bull$shit. Have you seen that car on a restart?? He can pass 4 cars before they reach turn 1. And he does it consistently. That's not a good "jump" or good handling. That's a freaking powerful motor boys.

And Sweeney didn't dominate last year. The website shows that Smith won the points. The reason Sweeney won a lot of races was because he isn't all brawn no brains. Watch him. Sweeney is a smart driver that works people over like he should. Nate Smith puts his car in terrible circumstance on a consistent basis and gets himself in many wrecks. Jeff Sweeney is easily the best Marion Center regular in the stock car division. Put Sweeney in the 28N car and I bet he never loses a race. Smith will because he'll wreck it

I agree. I think Nate needs that much of a competitive advantage to win consistently there. All things being equal, there are other teams at MCS that don't need an advantage other than what they can create with smart set-up and driving to win on a regular basis.

[faster1]

The only time I ever saw that car run was thunder mountain last year, I didn't look under it but it didn't even resemble what a 3 link car does, from experience I can tell you you're going to struggle more times than you're fast with a 3 link in a ss without relocating alot of mounts and then its easily seen that it'd not stock. It doesn't matter how big your motor is if your car isn't good through the corners you will not pull good cars on the straights.

[Rusty_Nuts]

Rusty nuts~ your 9,000% correct my friend. Throw in a 3 link rear that the "tech official" doesn't know what that is ... Cuz this has been brought up . It works like a latemodel. The only thing drivers ask for is a level playing field.you wanna run latemodels, move up . But to have something the rest isn't allowed like last year running a Bert and no one else was allowed is bullshit.

I truely have no idea if its a 3 link or not. But it doesnt matter at Marion Center. There are basically no rules so nothing would be considered illegal.

But its sad that he must take that much advantage of the rules to be able to win every week. Thats why he doesnt race with the big boys.
Given equal equipment, i would still take the Lernerville guys.

[gofast05]

The only time I ever saw that car run was thunder mountain last year, I didn't look under it but it didn't even resemble what a 3 link car does, from experience I can tell you you're going to struggle more times than you're fast with a 3 link in a ss without relocating alot of mounts and then its easily seen that it'd not stock. It doesn't matter how big your motor is if your car isn't good through the corners you will not pull good cars on the straights.

I kinda works like a 4 link with a long upper on the right side. at least that's what I thought after watching him. I can imagine it isn't legal anywhere but marion center

[race ace]

Of all the tracks i have ever raced at there was NEVER a rule that said you can' t take an buttload of money and put in a car, if you want to spend 18 thousand on any car to win 350 a week that is up to you. I don't think Nate is illegal i think he has all good stuff and if i am correct i think Lernerville has an engine limit on their cars so he can't go there anyhow.

[faster1]

I kinda works like a 4 link with a long upper on the right side. at least that's what I thought after watching him. I can imagine it isn't legal anywhere but marion center

You still need a pan hard bar then.

[Drtracer27]

Well thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to chat with us nose picking, dirt licking, inbred hillbillys.

Yes the first race of the year Satterlees car was torn down at Marion center by a fastrack official, and as I said before was found to be legal.

Yes I know for fact somebody has raised this issue to Richs attention, I was standing next to him when it happened.

Yes I think it should be an engine builder that takes a look at the motor. Who better to tear down a motor than an engine builder. Do I think his engine is illegal, yes, how else is he able to outpower every other car on the track.

Now if you will excuse me I'm going back to pick in my nose and flickin boogers against the wall.

By definition a hillbilly is someone who is typically isolated from modern culture, therefore very unlikely to have a television let alone a computer with internet access. And if they did an internet message board would not be a likely destination. I also never accused anybody here or anywhere else of being an "inbred hillbilly". By you post you are obviously implying that there are multiple persons using this forum that are "nose picking, dirt licking, inbred hillbillys" . I actually find a lot of the people here of being able to carry on intelligent discussions.

I knew that they teched the Fastrack cars on the first week but I just figured they checked basic things like the GM bolts. Now to hear that they actually tore down the cars to inspect them is really impressive and shows very well for Fastrack that they would go that far as to tear cars down on the very first night they have run at a track.

If you were standing right beside somebody that brought it to Rich's attention then you would have definitely been pretty sure as you posted earlier, just not sure why you wouldn't have just stated that to begin with. It does kind of bring your credibility in to question that you may just say what is convenient at that time.

The only real question that I have ever asked you is if you have read the engine rules and if you have what could possibly be illegal with his engine. Somebody else even went as far as to copy and paste them on this thread for you in case you couldn't find them on your own. Now there should be no doubt that you have read those rules and you still think that if his motor was tore down by an engine builder that it would be illegal. That alone is enough to establish that it is futile to attempt a conversation with you and when coupled with the name calling and insults it is reinforced. Please feel free to continue bombarding every Marion Center release with your Nate Smith's engine is illegal posts as I think the thought process behind that has been well established.

As a side note there has been a recent study that has shown eating boogers may very well be healthy for you. Just a thought as you are already picking your nose.

[Drtracer27]

I kinda works like a 4 link with a long upper on the right side. at least that's what I thought after watching him. I can imagine it isn't legal anywhere but marion center

Obviously this must be used with aftermarket attachment points on the frame? If it is used with the stock mounts wouldn't that then be a stock type four link suspension?