Not many tracks you can put horsepower like that to use in a stocker. Many are winning with $5-7k in their motors. You will have guys spending stupid money in every class. You can always pick a car in any class that could spend the same money and be competitive in the next class. Always been that way and always will be. Nothing wrong with top notch equipment, but usually the motor is one of the last places to spend it.
purestock horsepower
Started by viking60215, Jul 18 2013 01:18 AM
58 replies to this topic
#21
Posted 18 July 2013 - 06:19 PM
#22
Posted 18 July 2013 - 07:52 PM
i'd say "most" are in the 500-600 hp range. who said you cant run titanium valves or it has to be 23^ stuff?
Edited by faster1, 19 July 2013 - 12:57 PM.
#23
Posted 18 July 2013 - 09:37 PM
i'd say "most" are in the 500-60 hp range. who said you cant run titanium valves or it has to be 23^ stuff?
WHERE do these idiots race?? probably PPMS or some big track where the HPs will show!
#24
Posted 18 July 2013 - 10:48 PM
WHERE do these idiots race?? probably PPMS or some big track where the HPs will show!
Hahaha I think ppms only gets 4 pure stocks.
I've seen a junk yard 1000 dollar motor whoop on a 20,000 dollar motor. It's not how much you spend it's how you spend it. If you can't properly transfer the HP to the wheels, it doesn't matter how much you have.
And, a 1000 dollars spent in chrome doesn't change the performance.
#25
Posted 19 July 2013 - 04:19 AM
Neither does paying a guy 24k to assemble 6k worth of parts in the shed behind his house. It hard to believe how stupid some people are ...Hahaha I think ppms only gets 4 pure stocks.
I've seen a junk yard 1000 dollar motor whoop on a 20,000 dollar motor. It's not how much you spend it's how you spend it. If you can't properly transfer the HP to the wheels, it doesn't matter how much you have.
And, a 1000 dollars spent in chrome doesn't change the performance.
#26
Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:35 AM
I'd like to sell tires to these people who have this Hp. $3000.00 will buy my motor.i'd say "most" are in the 500-60 hp range. who said you cant run titanium valves or it has to be 23^ stuff?
There's always more speed!And you don't have to cheat to find it!
#27
Posted 19 July 2013 - 06:28 AM
And there are crate motors that pull low dollar 358's and 406's off the corners on a heavy heat race surface. It is very crazy in this class now, very sad to see what has happened to this staple class. Yes, there are $30,000 motors, and yes there are still $2,000 motors. Along with that, there are few rulemakers that will work with other tracks, and I think most tracks just want to dump the class. Sad, that 10 years ago Sharon was averaging 40-50 cars. It used to be a great class.... no longer for many reasons.
#28
Posted 19 July 2013 - 06:42 AM
No !!!! Every cadet in western pa runs Cornett power with Bloomquist chassis and will only pull with the finest rig peterbuilt and featherlight ever assembled !!! And if you sooAnd there are crate motors that pull low dollar 358's and 406's off the corners on a heavy heat race surface. It is very crazy in this class now, very sad to see what has happened to this staple class. Yes, there are $30,000 motors, and yes there are still $2,000 motors. Along with that, there are few rulemakers that will work with other tracks, and I think most tracks just want to dump the class. Sad, that 10 years ago Sharon was averaging 40-50 cars. It used to be a great class.... no longer for many reasons.
Much as look at a cadet with anything other than a snap on wrench your automatically castrated !!! People used to think the 410 winged sprints were the expensive class to run .... No no no an average mid pack cadet costs 10 times what tony Stewart racing spends to field a fleet of cars on the WOO tour !!!!
#29
Posted 19 July 2013 - 06:44 AM
You guys think kid rocket has a big budget to run the woo series .... Ill tell you right now kid rockets budget is like pissing in the wind compared to the money jake the snake Simmons was spending to win every damn week at Pittsburgh !!!
#30
Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:43 AM
Last year at the 'Chili' race held at Thunder Mountain there were PS's from many tracks. Standing in the line up area it was funny. Some cars engines sounded like a late model or big dollar SS while others sounded like a street car with exhaust removed.
#31
Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:16 AM
I know a lot of you guys don't believe what guys are spending but it's true. The reason I came down from emods to cadets was I couldn't afford them any longer. But I then found out what some cadet guys are spending and it's crazy.
A decent roller from S&S costs at least $10K. Most of these guys now run the Brinn transmissions with the lightweight flywheel and reverse starter. They are running the same Bilstein shocks I was running on my emod before everyone went to the gas LM shocks. Guys have weight jacks all around and outboard shocks. I run the same front suspension as my emod. They then buy the same tires as LM guys. Now they run the same bodies and noses as LM. Take a peak inside some of the heavy hitters cockpits- full containment seats, top of the line gauges, etc. You're looking at $20K easy to build a new car with motor. And as we discussed some guys got $20K+ in the motors alone.
The only real savings I've had from an emod have been the carb, getting more life out of the LM tires, and not having to buy birdcages. That's it.
Can a $1,000 motor beat a $20K one? Of course. Look at Kugel in the emods all those years. But it gets harder and harder, and more out of control as you are seeing with the car counts.
#32
Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:35 AM
So your saying jake Simmons who has dominated that division at ppms for 10 years is a big money operation???? Your saying he outspent those guys he shit stomped every week ??? And your telling me spending 1200 for gauges and gettin a lajoie seat custom made for 2700 makes the car go faster ??? Maybe next you will tell me how one of the guys pulls with a f 450 platinum edition and as a result other cars don't show up ....I know a lot of you guys don't believe what guys are spending but it's true. The reason I came down from emods to cadets was I couldn't afford them any longer. But I then found out what some cadet guys are spending and it's crazy.
A decent roller from S&S costs at least $10K. Most of these guys now run the Brinn transmissions with the lightweight flywheel and reverse starter. They are running the same Bilstein shocks I was running on my emod before everyone went to the gas LM shocks. Guys have weight jacks all around and outboard shocks. I run the same front suspension as my emod. They then buy the same tires as LM guys. Now they run the same bodies and noses as LM. Take a peak inside some of the heavy hitters cockpits- full containment seats, top of the line gauges, etc. You're looking at $20K easy to build a new car with motor. And as we discussed some guys got $20K+ in the motors alone.
The only real savings I've had from an emod have been the carb, getting more life out of the LM tires, and not having to buy birdcages. That's it.
Can a $1,000 motor beat a $20K one? Of course. Look at Kugel in the emods all those years. But it gets harder and harder, and more out of control as you are seeing with the car counts.
#33
Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:54 AM
When did I say he outspent anyone? I'm talking about the top, big budget teams in the area today. That is what they are spending NOW.
Back as recent as 2009, they were still on 8' hard emod tires and didn't have spoilers. The division has changed dramatically.
In promoting my Dad's race I learned a lot, trying to get the rules packages to work for guys who raced Lernerville, the Bird, AMP, Sharon. PPMS, Mercer and Thunder Mountain. What I am telling you isn't made up in my mind.
How is this any different than a LM guy spending $50K on a LM to race weekly for $1,000 to a LMS guy spending $20K to race for $400? None of it makes sense.
#34
Posted 19 July 2013 - 01:04 PM
some of it has to be in the reliability of some of the motors being built. you can build three $3000 time bombs or buy quality parts and build something thats going to be able to be rebuilt several times.
#35
Posted 19 July 2013 - 01:26 PM
For 30 k ??? At 600hp levels any American made 4340 stuff will last forever ....some of it has to be in the reliability of some of the motors being built. you can build three $3000 time bombs or buy quality parts and build something thats going to be able to be rebuilt several times.
#36
Posted 19 July 2013 - 02:20 PM
a thousand dollar claimer on these pure-stock engines would put an end to all this . if you want to run a big dollar engine you need to move up a class .
race ace
#37
Posted 19 July 2013 - 03:27 PM
a thousand dollar claimer on these pure-stock engines would put an end to all this . if you want to run a big dollar engine you need to move up a class .
yep!
#38
Posted 19 July 2013 - 03:56 PM
couldn't agree more, maybe $5,000.a thousand dollar claimer on these pure-stock engines would put an end to all this . if you want to run a big dollar engine you need to move up a class .
Stacie White
#39
Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:47 PM
How about the 602 crate?
#40
Posted 19 July 2013 - 06:20 PM
5000 $ claimer is too much imo. Should be about the same price as a 602. $3000 would be great especially when only running for $400 to win. Leave the big money motors for the supers! Also think the big tires need to go as well. Lot harder to hook up on little 8" tires
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