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[TheLegend]

So, in other words are you saying something to the extent of if...for example: 200 + fans/pits tickets are sold then the purse will be $1,500.00 to win or if under 200 fans/pits tickets are sold then the purse will be $750.00 dollars?
Like a bracket, I guess?

What I am saying is that it's unrealistic to expect a promoter to take a 20 or 30k hit on a race due to shitty weather

[sprntr2011]

What I am saying is that it's unrealistic to expect a promoter to take a 20 or 30k hit on a race due to shitty weather

should the promotor pay more if the waethers good then hmmmm,,,,geuss so lololol

[virgin dirt]

Yeah exactly. If the Pittsburgher gets 75 cars and 5,000 fans it will now be $40k to win lol. What a dumbass.

[Street Stocker]

One major part of being a legitimate promoter is having the finances to back up your advertised purse. If you can't back it up, don't advertise it. This organization just lost all credibility. This almost proves that payoff of the Pittsburgher is based on if enough fans show up the day of the race or it will probably be cut too!

[BaconBits]

One major part of being a legitimate promoter is having the finances to back up your advertised purse. If you can't back it up, don't advertise it. This organization just lost all credibility. This almost proves that payoff of the Pittsburgher is based on if enough fans show up the day of the race or it will probably be cut too!

The NDRL national tour and the ULMS are two entirely different entities and run by two entirely different staffs. Kennedy would be best leaving the clusterf*ck up north alone from here on out...

[theking28b]

The NDRL national tour and the ULMS are two entirely different entities and run by two entirely different staffs. Kennedy would be best leaving the clusterf*ck up north alone from here on out...

The cluster f*ck up north is directly effected by kennedy's decisions. not the ulms or mcr staff. Kennedy made the decision to pull the plug sunday am. The mcr mgt staff went to the pits took a handful of pics of the haulers and teams still on site working on their cars. sent that to kennedy and was told to give them tow money and send them on their way. MCR mgt made the option of cutting the purse to let the racers race that were there and supporting the weekend. Is it an optimal situation no but the mcr mgt did everything they could to get the show in. In my opinion if there is fingers to be pointed then "point them west" not north!

[BaconBits]

The cluster f*ck up north is directly effected by kennedy's decisions. not the ulms or mcr staff. Kennedy made the decision to pull the plug sunday am. The mcr mgt staff went to the pits took a handful of pics of the haulers and teams still on site working on their cars. sent that to kennedy and was told to give them tow money and send them on their way. MCR mgt made the option of cutting the purse to let the racers race that were there and supporting the weekend. Is it an optimal situation no but the mcr mgt did everything they could to get the show in. In my opinion if there is fingers to be pointed then "point them west" not north!

If Kennedy told them to pull the plug and they didn't, the whole purse cutting mess is on Zuver and MCR. Zuver shit the bed and is trying to place the blame on Kennedy and the entire thing is classless as all hell.

I'm betting that Kennedy pulls his money from MCR and Zuver over this mess and northern tier late model racing will go back to the constant dog and pony show it has been for the last decade. It's such a shame, too. There are some high quality late model racers up there but they don't have anybody with a clue running things...

Edited by BaconBits, 23 September 2013 - 03:39 PM.

[racer67x]

Roaring Knob and McKean are both out in the middle of nowhere. That impacts the crowd more than anything. PPMS is far more centrally located and has way more people to draw from.

the same sort of deal happened at PPMS back in the 80's..a group leased the facility from Nick and Emma,a huge purse was advertised and when the weather didn't cooperate and cars/people failed to materialize the money guys pulled the plug and left town.
for the few who might remember it was billed as the "Gold Cup" series,I always thought Carl Short was involved but he set me straight about it back in the day on 4m.

so yes it can happen and already has.

[Chuckster]

McKean's World of Outlaws race a couple years back drew way more people than the stands could hold, and the huge overflow stood and watched from the pits. The track IS capable of drawing large crowds!

Thursday & Friday's crowds were ALMOST as busy as that WoO show, and they had about 170 cars in the pits those two days, and those nights had no large purse payouts.... So some folks had to have the 3-day tickets already bought also, so just seems that the last day's weather/attendance shouldn't have had the huge impact on the total weekend... Mostly likely, a large regional SLM payout AND a very large E-mod payout at the same weekend venue not such a good idea?? JMO

[Chuckster]

What I am saying is that it's unrealistic to expect a promoter to take a 20 or 30k hit on a race due to shitty weather

Crowds, racers ( 170 ) and the weather were great for the Thursday & Friday "support" nights..... Saturday/Sunday issues alone shouldn't have killed the Saturday events, but I'm sure the bottom line would have been less.... Track had to be ahead of the game comfortably from Thurs & Friday... JMO

[spike]

What I am saying is that it's unrealistic to expect a promoter to take a 20 or 30k hit on a race due to shitty weather

Years ago I went to a Friday night race at Lake View Speedway in South Carolina. The announcer reminded the crowd ( 38 people) there was a $2000 to win race the next weekend. I wondered how this was going to happen. Then I picked up a flyer and saw the plan. $2000 to win. Based on 20 entries. $100 entry fee. Nothing about paying other positions. Now there was a promoter. There was no way he was going to take a hit. Maybe if the promoter is still around he could help out those in need. No risk promoting at it's best.

[Skull]

Paying a purse, any purse based on car count and spectator attendance will take this sport back to the dark ages when promoters barnstormed the country ripping off teams and track owners alike. If you are promoting a $7,500 to win SLM race with an "X" total payout, then that is damn well what you better pay, whether you have to rob Peter to pay Paul or not. Everyone that lives in this region knows that the weather can get dicey this time of year. They should have been prepared for it. Now, these people take a huge hit to their credibility, and deservedly so. Having said that, if my SLM team had been there the whole weekend, then yes, we probably would have raced for the cut purse. I also could guarantee anybody involved with the track and the sanction that they'd never see our team at another one of their shows.

[snooky]

Back in the day they advertised big purses OR a percentage of the take. The percentage was always less than the advertised purse and was that way in case of low turn out. Drivers often got screwed AND if was a huge turnout they never got MORE ruN the advertised purse. Teams quick traveling to big shows so promoters and tracks started guaranteed the purses. I guess we are going back to the (not so good) old days.

[theking28b]

If Kennedy told them to pull the plug and they didn't, the whole purse cutting mess is on Zuver and MCR. Zuver shit the bed and is trying to place the blame on Kennedy and the entire thing is classless as all hell.

I'm betting that Kennedy pulls his money from MCR and Zuver over this mess and northern tier late model racing will go back to the constant dog and pony show it has been for the last decade. It's such a shame, too. There are some high quality late model racers up there but they don't have anybody with a clue running things...

You misunderstood me kennedy wanted to cancel and zuver came up with a plan to run the race and kennedy okd it. If it wasnt for mcr team the race would have been canceled and everyone would have gotten tow money and a thank you

[BUTTBEAK]

[quote name='Skull' date='Sep 23 2013, 06:58 PM' post='377649']
Paying a purse, any purse based on car count and spectator attendance will take this sport back to the dark ages when promoters barnstormed the country ripping off teams and track owners alike.

If you are promoting a $7,500 to win SLM race with an "X" total payout, then that is damn well what you better pay, whether you have to rob Peter to pay Paul or not. Everyone that lives in this region knows that the weather can get dicey this time of year. They should have been prepared for it. Now, these people take a huge hit to their credibility, and deservedly so.

Having said that, if my SLM team had been there the whole weekend, then yes, we probably would have raced for the cut purse. I also could guarantee anybody involved with the track and the sanction that they'd never see our team at another one of their shows.


My exact sentiment , action, and reaction. Well put!

[RocketChassis#1]

the same sort of deal happened at PPMS back in the 80's..a group leased the facility from Nick and Emma,a huge purse was advertised and when the weather didn't cooperate and cars/people failed to materialize the money guys pulled the plug and left town.
for the few who might remember it was billed as the "Gold Cup" series,I always thought Carl Short was involved but he set me straight about it back in the day on 4m.

so yes it can happen and already has.

It was Sam Bowers and Clark Coleman. Coleman was involved in that still born Donagal Raceway, near Seven Springs back in the early 80's. Bowers and Coleman's first race was the 1986 $30,000 Racing News Pittsburgh Super Nationals 100, which was plauged by bad weather the entire weekend. They had a record star studded field, but rain fell the entire weekend, and the feature was almost postphoned by fog. Donnie Moran won.The following season 1987 they had the Gold Cup Series, a 4 race series, concluding with the second annual Super Nationals. They suffered more from rain and bad weather thruout the first three races, and cancelled the fourth. The final race they ran ended up being run on a Monday, whick was twin 50's that saw Jack Boggs win both. The first race was totally rained out, the second ended up cut into won 50 lapper that Gary Stuhler won.

[TheLegend]

If they had good weather and cut the purse , or the teams didnt find out the purse was cut till after the race or like the pieces of shit at Tyler county they just canceled , kept everyone's money and didnt pay some of the people I would have a much bigger issue with it. What was better for the teams ? Racing for a reduced purse while already there or leaving and coming back for the original purse ? I'm guessing it was better for them to run for the reduced purse . It doesn't seem like Mckean will pull any cars no matter what they pay anyway , I'm sure that lesson was learned and ill be surprised if they have any events over 4k again

[321]

World of Outlaws cut the purse this past weekend too in Michigan...it happens quite often when a multi-day event loses a day to weather.

[TheLegend]

World of Outlaws cut the purse this past weekend too in Michigan...it happens quite often when a multi-day event loses a day to weather.

Tell us more about this I haven't heard that

[321]

Tell us more about this I haven't heard that

WoO at Berlin was a two-day $20,000 to-win 100 lapper. They lost Friday to weather. Cut it down to a one-day $15,000 75 lapper.

Happens all the time.