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[3799]

Questions to ask at their meeting: How much is Rush pocketing on every shock and tire sold? How much are entry fees and the cost of pit passes? Must you buy a Dirt license to run? What kind of insurance does Rush provide the drivers? What divisions are they calling headline divisions? What good is a preferred spot at Syracuse if your Rush Sportsman car is illegal by DIRT rules? Why if you break an engine do you have to get an estimate so Rush can tell you if you can repair your engine or buy a new 602? Can you return shocks, tires, etc bought through Rush if this 602 Crate class fails as miserably as the last 602 crate class Vicki created?

[longtimeracefan101]

I wouldn't trust Vikki Emig as far as I could throw her.

All of this bullshit about helping the Modifieds? Really? How did it help the Mod fields in the area when she switched MRP to SB's years back? All that did was split this area's pool of cars, all so she could pay a cut purse and promote it by saying she was saving the racer's money. Where have we all heard that idea before? As soon as some promoter makes a rule change saying it's going to save you money, be prepared to get your wallet out. She did more damage to the BB fields around here by switching to SB's than any other single factor.

I know she is in it to make money. Good for her. But don't sit here and pretend like what you are doing with the RUSH program and with this new Sportsman Mod class is being done in the best interests of the racer. Steel wheels? If a guy wants to move up, what the hell is he supposed to do with a dozen of those? Maybe they can sell them for anchors.

I also agree with some previous posts in that some of these divisions need to be shut down. Hell, how many divisions can this area support? You wonder why Stocks at some tracks are suffering? Because teams have too many damn choices. Make a Stock class with good rules that make sense for everyone, enforce them, and get rid of three or four divisions. Then watch the Stock class grow again.

This has to. BE HONESTLY the best and most honest and truthfully answer I've ever read.

[Rocky Kugel]

I really don't see how your going to have to vet your wallet out when you can go to auto zone and buy mkst of tbe engine bolt on parts...I fugured with o e of kings cwrs they have for sale and all new part I would have right around $16, 000 in it...hell I know street stocks that have that in their motor...lol

[Rocky Kugel]

Also you guys are acting like you are buying 10k motors...if you blow up a 602 it will cost you more to fix it than buying a new one...come on they are 3000 $ motors...lol.go buy new instead of putting blown up shit back together and costing yourself more money in the long run... next...the shocks are 135 $...really dude...I had a intagra fixed and it cost me 212 $...they are $135...not 800 $...for under 16, 000 $ you cqn hqve a top notch winning car...its cheap trust me...crate late model racing is out of hand ...this class looks like they took what everyone did in crate lates and put a rule in place to keep the car more even no matter who owns one.

[Racer17L]

I really don't see how your going to have to vet your wallet out when you can go to auto zone and buy mkst of tbe engine bolt on parts...I fugured with o e of kings cwrs they have for sale and all new part I would have right around $16, 000 in it...hell I know street stocks that have that in their motor...lol

Don't tell Hodgkis stocks have $16,000 in their motors he might call you an idiot haha!

[JohnnyHildo]

Rumor has it Kevin Bolland hates you and everybody related to you Dildo.

You know what BaconBits you're not as funny as you think you are you wish you could get close enough to Kevin Bolland and try to sniff some of his talent he doesn't hate anyone unlike you you don't see him on racestud bullying people you do that job well enough I bet I'm not the only one tired of it stay off the modified topics. If you don't like reading about Kevin Bolland then you shouldn't like responding about him either you just don't understand what it takes to be as successful as he has been and watch out if he comes back because he'll be so fresh and people have even said he might get into a late model but I haven't heard about it lately with his rough style everyone likes how he uses the bumper imagine if he had fenders too I'm sorry you don't like it but maybe you could be a fan and learn something about modified racing from him so you don't have to just bash all the time

[Benny K]

This class is huge out here in Delaware, New Jersey, and Southern New York. At Bridgeport that let the Crates run with the 2 barrell 358 Sportsman, and by adding weight they have been fairly competitve.

[Hot Dog]

Questions to ask at their meeting:
How much is Rush pocketing on every shock and tire sold?
How much are entry fees and the cost of pit passes?
Must you buy a Dirt license to run?
What kind of insurance does Rush provide the drivers?
What divisions are they calling headline divisions?
What good is a preferred spot at Syracuse if your Rush Sportsman car is illegal by DIRT rules?
Why if you break an engine do you have to get an estimate so Rush can tell you if you can repair your engine or buy a new 602?
Can you return shocks, tires, etc bought through Rush if this 602 Crate class fails as miserably as the last 602 crate class Vicki created?

1. It's a $135 shock, so probably not much. You clearly aren't aware of how much a new set of open rule Integras, Bilsteins, JRI, etc, will set you back. You could nearly buy all 4 corners in these spec shocks for the price of one of those. And your guys are running them for 600 bucks to win, so don't say they aren't.
2. Pretty sure Mercer charges entry fees for their divisions, as well as for the Little Guys.
3. 10 nights at any DIRT sanctioned track and a dirt license is paid for in the savings.
4. If you have to buy a DIRT license, it's probably better than what Mercer offers.
5. What does this have to do with an entry level sportsman division?
6. It makes people feel better, plus the rules aren't much different. It would only take slight changes to be legal.
7. Buy a new one, it's cheaper than rebuilding.
8. Can you return parts for your cars you build to run Mercer when the owner cancels when the dog up the street pisses on the lawn? Or when he cries broke and that he's losing money every week when the stands and pits are full, and shuts it down?

Edited by Hot Dog, 17 October 2013 - 08:42 AM.

[Hot Dog]

Mike,

Another question I would ask: Why no accusumps for the motor? If you're trying to keep costs down, the $150 that you spend for the accusump would go a long way toward saving the motor.

Also, there are still guys out there who like to assemble their own engines. What about them?

If I recall correctly, DIRT was working on a spec motor program for the big blocks where you had a list of acceptable parts, but were not required to have an "authorized" builder actually assemble the engine. Don't know if that ever progressed, but the idea was reasonable.

The steel wheel thing makes no sense at all. Someone stated in another post about the BB guys having an outlet to sell their used parts. The most common parts sold are wheels, tires and shocks.
Say goodbye to that venue, let alone the engine parts.

While I like the concept of an "affordable" division, it is not cost effective for me to change. It is a hobby for me, like most racers around here. If it costs me more to be affordable, then it's time to switch hobbies.

If you want to establish an affordable division, do what the IMCA started out with, a claimer price on the engine. Build what you want, but be ready to give it up. Unless you've had blinders on for your entire life, you know there will be those who will spend whatever amount of money it takes to bring home the little trophy at the end of the night. You'll never get rid of them.

As I stated, I like the concept, but, like Obamacare, beware of the extra costs! JMHO

If you want to run a motor that you built, build a 358 and run at Mercer or Knox or a big block for Lernerville and Sharon. This is clearly a CRATE division, in which you run CRATE motors. It's really not that difficult to understand. And anyone that has even the slightest amount of brain matter between their ears could see that Obamacare was gonna be a disaster for everyone who didn't stand to profit from it.

Edited by Hot Dog, 17 October 2013 - 09:02 AM.

[Stock Stroker]

Why is everyone ripping someone for trying to do something "POSITIVE" for racing. "YES POSITIVE" I could belittle everyone one here with their own objectives. Right Mike! But i won't. The bottom line is, it was tried in NY, and has saved the Sportsman class as well as bringing racers back. If you don't like it stay the hell home. JMO

[BaconBits]

Questions to ask at their meeting:
How much is Rush pocketing on every shock and tire sold?
How much are entry fees and the cost of pit passes?
Must you buy a Dirt license to run?
What kind of insurance does Rush provide the drivers?
What divisions are they calling headline divisions?
What good is a preferred spot at Syracuse if your Rush Sportsman car is illegal by DIRT rules?
Why if you break an engine do you have to get an estimate so Rush can tell you if you can repair your engine or buy a new 602?
Can you return shocks, tires, etc bought through Rush if this 602 Crate class fails as miserably as the last 602 crate class Vicki created?

You don't give a flying f*ck about this division or the costs associated, you only care about bashing anything RUSH does. It's so unbecoming watching you act like a teenage girl. Maybe you'll learn to actually be a man someday, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Rocky Kugel]

These guys are killing me....you don't need a accusump with the 602 motor...I ran a 602 in my crate car for a year they are surprizing on how responsive the are....guys its not rocket sience here...take a car put a stock untouched motor in it and a stock carb...and teel wheels with 135 $ shocks...waaalllaaa...u have a sportsman car...lol

[Rocky Kugel]

Ever see a crate late roll to the rf....rolls way more than a mod...the pick ups are stuffed in the rf of the pan...no problems on picking up oil.

[michael myers]

You know what BaconBits you're not as funny as you think you are you wish you could get close enough to Kevin Bolland and try to sniff some of his talent he doesn't hate anyone unlike you you don't see him on racestud bullying people you do that job well enough I bet I'm not the only one tired of it stay off the modified topics. If you don't like reading about Kevin Bolland then you shouldn't like responding about him either you just don't understand what it takes to be as successful as he has been and watch out if he comes back because he'll be so fresh and people have even said he might get into a late model but I haven't heard about it lately with his rough style everyone likes how he uses the bumper imagine if he had fenders too I'm sorry you don't like it but maybe you could be a fan and learn something about modified racing from him so you don't have to just bash all the time

Well if he is trying to sniff his talent then that is better than what you sniff! Kevin runs from racers who come to settle issues and hides behind protection,so he is no bully out of the car. He's real succesfull using radio's and driving over cars. If you wiped off your nose,and spit out that material you may see the real Bolland one day.

[3799]

[quote name='Hot Dog' date='Oct 17 2013, 09:40 AM' post='379674']
1. It's a $135 shock, so probably not much. You clearly aren't aware of how much a new set of open rule Integras, Bilsteins, JRI, etc, will set you back. You could nearly buy all 4 corners in these spec shocks for the price of one of those. And your guys are running them for 600 bucks to win, so don't say they aren't.
2. Pretty sure Mercer charges entry fees for their divisions, as well as for the Little Guys.
3. 10 nights at any DIRT sanctioned track and a dirt license is paid for in the savings.
4. If you have to buy a DIRT license, it's probably better than what Mercer offers.
5. What does this have to do with an entry level sportsman division?
6. It makes people feel better, plus the rules aren't much different. It would only take slight changes to be legal.
7. Buy a new one, it's cheaper than rebuilding.
8. Can you return parts for your cars you build to run Mercer when the owner cancels when the dog up the street pisses on the lawn? Or when he cries broke and that he's losing money every week when the stands and pits are full, and shuts it down?

It's not about what Mercer does.
Remember what a great idea the Sprint Warriors was when Dave Blaney introduced the class even though you had to buy many parts only from him? The class began to grow and flourish after you did not have to go to one source for parts.

With the exception of the LGN Mercer does not charge entry fees.

You think you save money buying a DIRT license? Ask Charlie Holben, Brian Stenman, and Jack Sodeman what that got them. Ask them who paid their medical bills.

They said if you won in a headline division drivers cannot race. That has a lot to do with it. Why not simply list the headline divisions that drivers cannot come from. It should nor be that hard to simply say which division drivers are ineligible if they have won a feature.

Mercer has been racing the same division for years. Racers who buy parts for their cars are racing them. Ask the 4 guys who built a 602 crate stock car if it was a good idea.

[JohnnyHildo]

Well if he is trying to sniff his talent then that is better than what you sniff! Kevin runs from racers who come to settle issues and hides behind protection,so he is no bully out of the car. He's real succesfull using radio's and driving over cars. If you wiped off your nose,and spit out that material you may see the real Bolland one day.

He doesn't have to be a bully out of the car he is not racing out of the car in the car is where the racing is and in the car nobody can match Kevin Bolland's rub and bump style I can see why people would be mad if they can't hang with 777 on the track but coming after him in the pits is not racing it's illegal and against the rules so you're saying that the other guys are bullies and doing illegal stuff but Kevin Bolland is bad get real michael myers. Everyone uses radios most tracks make you so it's not something you can use against him and driving over cars well if it's on the way to victory lane that's racing and he's not known for his exciting style of driving for sitting around petting cats and letting everyone pass him duh

[tdietz10]

I like it, Got a car last night