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[LarryTheCableGuy]

I loved racing the OSW class at Mercer BUT, there is no teching being done. The tech guy may look at the seals (if it has them) but you have to compare the seal numbers on the motor to whats in there computer system. I could build a motor put seals on and nobody would know. The seal numbers have never been checked to see if they match. The 5.3's can and have changed sensors and nobody has enough knowledge in a tech position that knows enough about them. Nor have any of the computers been switched out. The 5.3's are kinda on there way out seeing some of the guys have sold them. Out of the top 10 in points there will only be 1 person left with a 5.3. Now people will argue the point well more 305's have won more races. You have to look at the caliber of drivers driving 305's verses the 5.3's. The cream of the crop are driving 305's except for the 2 that were driving and have sold there 5.3 and I know that one of them will have a 305 for this year. I'm not cutting up the 5.3's nor the 305's it can be a great class but things have to change or it will crumble, and it has to start with the teching. ( at the track teching ) I have had a lot of fun running in this class. A lot of people said Guy Griffin was unbeatable and we went out there and beat him. And we went down to Georgia and ran against 360's and won too with a 305. Its not always about how much HP these motors have its getting them hooked to the track just like anything else. I really respect Bill Altman and hope for the best. He is doing what he can to keep the gates open. Lets face it dirt track racing is dwindling. Thank you Dennis Wagner

[3799]

Mike i'm not sure why you have a problem with French Grimes all he's done is put a class together that gives a fair even playing field way to go race. The race saver series PASS has over 80 drivers registered that all meet the rules and can race at any racesaver event.
What do you have at Mercer and Sportsman 8 to 10 regulars? And they only can run at Mercer and Sportsman!
You really need to look long term.

Because I have seen first hand how French Grimes operates. Why should someone who does not have a dime in your race car be judge and jury on when and where you race? Look very closely at his rules. The engine rules are pretty much the same as the OSW 305 guys. But the other rules like where you race, and when, make no sense. I've seen him suspend a friend of mine who on an off weekend ran a 360 race with their Racesaver. They never touched the engine or competed against a Racesaver race. Last year he bounced Walt Tutak from the Western Pa Board of Directors for suggesting OSW cars and Racesaver could race together. French Grimes has no intentions of working anybody anywhere. So why should a successful class of sprints be dismantled to race with him?

Your car counts are way off. Last year 36 different sprints ran with OSW at Mercer. That's about three times more than the Racesaver count before Dog Hollow went belly up running Racesaver. Our weekly fields were usually 15 to 18 cars. There at least six more being built for 2014. Racesaver pays less than we do at Mercer. Should we cut their pay?

You want to look long term? If you had a Racesaver car last year in western Pa you had nowhere to run. As for the number of tracks OSW can run, OSW sprints could run more than two tracks in western Pa, they travel to Ohio, or hit the special shows at Lernerville. OSW drivers have travelled to Georgia to race and win even against 360 sprints. Some ran weekly shows at Lernerville against the 410 sprints and the next night their seals were checked and they ran at Mercer. No fines, no tear downs, no suspensions. OSW sprints have the freedom to decide for themselves when and where they want to race, and they know there is nobody waiting to jump in their wallet when they returned the next week to Mercer. OSW has honored sealed engines from other sanctioning groups. Racesaver is scared of competition. They will not do the same. If you ever decide to take charge of your own race car, bring your car to Mercer and our guys will show you how to race.

[Crusty1]

Yeah run Racesaver for less money and race only when and where French Grimes tells you to run. The Outlaw Sprint Warrior Class continues to grow every year and it will continue to do so next year too. How much do you want to wager on your claim it will be gone next year?

I really don't want to wager anything you will still run the class with 8 or 10 sprints.

Racers don't want to come race unless they know thay have a chance to win.
When you have no tech and run bigger cu. in. engines the guy with a legal 305 can compete but are at a disadvantage.
The class wont grow unless you get a level playing field, you need tech and the racesaver engine.

[Crusty1]

Because I have seen first hand how French Grimes operates. Why should someone who does not have a dime in your race car be judge and jury on when and where you race? Look very closely at his rules. The engine rules are pretty much the same as the OSW 305 guys. But the other rules like where you race, and when, make no sense. I've seen him suspend a friend of mine who on an off weekend ran a 360 race with their Racesaver. They never touched the engine or competed against a Racesaver race. Last year he bounced Walt Tutak from the Western Pa Board of Directors for suggesting OSW cars and Racesaver could race together. French Grimes has no intentions of working anybody anywhere. So why should a successful class of sprints be dismantled to race with him?

Your car counts are way off. Last year 36 different sprints ran with OSW at Mercer. That's about three times more than the Racesaver count before Dog Hollow went belly up running Racesaver. Our weekly fields were usually 15 to 18 cars. There at least six more being built for 2014. Racesaver pays less than we do at Mercer. Should we cut their pay?

You want to look long term? If you had a Racesaver car last year in western Pa you had nowhere to run. As for the number of tracks OSW can run, OSW sprints could run more than two tracks in western Pa, they travel to Ohio, or hit the special shows at Lernerville. OSW drivers have travelled to Georgia to race and win even against 360 sprints. Some ran weekly shows at Lernerville against the 410 sprints and the next night their seals were checked and they ran at Mercer. No fines, no tear downs, no suspensions. OSW sprints have the freedom to decide for themselves when and where they want to race, and they know there is nobody waiting to jump in their wallet when they returned the next week to Mercer. OSW has honored sealed engines from other sanctioning groups. Racesaver is scared of competition. They will not do the same. If you ever decide to take charge of your own race car, bring your car to Mercer and our guys will show you how to race.

If you have such a hard-on for French Grimes why don't you just run his rules?
I'm thankful for what MRP is trying to do but the lack of tech and wide open engine rules hurts the class.
As far as car count I went to MRP & Sportsman and the car counts were no where near 16 to 18.
And I'm sorry I won't need you or anyone at MRP to show me how to race.

[woodbro]

statistics for Mercer from 2013 Season for OSW: Hot laps = average of 14.4 cars took hot laps heat race # 1 = average of 8.6 cars heat race # 2 = average of 7.5 cars Feature race = average of 15.8 cars 305- 9 wins......5.3- 8 wins pretty even on wins and last time I checked, 15.8 rounds to 16, as stated I will get some popcorn and watch the madness

[X-modman]

I wish we lived back home, Mercer got a good thing going just sounds like they need to get a tech man.

Edited by X-modman, 13 January 2014 - 08:05 PM.

[Mo MONEY]

If you have such a hard-on for French Grimes why don't you just run his rules?
I'm thankful for what MRP is trying to do but the lack of tech and wide open engine rules hurts the class.
As far as car count I went to MRP & Sportsman and the car counts were no where near 16 to 18.
And I'm sorry I won't need you or anyone at MRP to show me how to race.

the osw 305 rules are identical to race saver except for the all pro heads. that's the only difference.

[Crusty1]

the osw 305 rules are identical to race saver except for the all pro heads. that's the only difference.

How about the 323 cu in 5.3 L electronic engine?
Also how many of the 305's are 305's ?
Larry the cable guy knows the facts!!!
Dump the 5.3's and tech the rest!

[woofan]

How about the 323 cu in 5.3 L electronic engine?
Also how many of the 305's are 305's ?
Larry the cable guy knows the facts!!!
Dump the 5.3's and tech the rest!

Just to clarify...

You think the EFI engines are so much better and more powerful, but yet, as has already been established on here, there are fewer and fewer efi engine motors in the class.

IF they are so much better like YOU claim, WHY WOULDN'T MORE PEOPLE BE RUNNING THEM????????



Let us know if you ever get in a sprint car.........................(doubtful)

[spike]

Just to clarify...

You think the EFI engines are so much better and more powerful, but yet, as has already been established on here, there are fewer and fewer efi engine motors in the class.

IF they are so much better like YOU claim, WHY WOULDN'T MORE PEOPLE BE RUNNING THEM????????



Let us know if you ever get in a sprint car.........................(doubtful)

Where else can you run them other than Mercer and Knox??????????

[woofan]

Where else can you run them other than Mercer and Knox??????????

WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO TRAVEL TO????

Ohio 305s have their own rules, the closest racesaver stuff is central pa. Can't go anywhere anyways......

And again, if you could actually afford to travel that much, you wouldnt be worried about 305 sprints

waiting to see pics of the cars......

[Crusty1]

Just to clarify...

You think the EFI engines are so much better and more powerful, but yet, as has already been established on here, there are fewer and fewer efi engine motors in the class.

IF they are so much better like YOU claim, WHY WOULDN'T MORE PEOPLE BE RUNNING THEM????????



Let us know if you ever get in a sprint car.........................(doubtful)

And why would it matter if I ever got in a Sprint? What's that have to do with this subject?


First I never said the EFI are better in a stock configuration.
Change the computer, now thats a diffrent story!
The EFI was a bad dream at Sharon that has rolled over to Mercer and Sportsman.
I know the EFI will go away no other tracks run them that's why no one will buy one!
MRP & Sportsmans need to make sure the 305's are 305's The drivers that have been around know whats going on. Read Larry the cable guy he races he knows.
I would love to see this class grow to 30 - 40 - 50 or more 305's I think it's a great class.
What will kill this class is the lack of firm rules.
I know and talked to many of the drivers and most bitch about the lack of engine tech.
If everythig is great with this class why was the meeting a big argument?

[woofan]

And why would it matter if I ever got in a Sprint? What's that have to do with this subject?


First I never said the EFI are better in a stock configuration.
Change the computer, now thats a diffrent story!
The EFI was a bad dream at Sharon that has rolled over to Mercer and Sportsman.
I know the EFI will go away no other tracks run them that's why no one will buy one!
MRP & Sportsmans need to make sure the 305's are 305's The drivers that have been around know whats going on. Read Larry the cable guy he races he knows.
I would love to see this class grow to 30 - 40 - 50 or more 305's I think it's a great class.
What will kill this class is the lack of firm rules.
I know and talked to many of the drivers and most bitch about the lack of engine tech.
If everythig is great with this class why was the meeting a big argument?

The class is good for this area and is continuing to grow, seems your the one doing the arguing against it..............

[spike]

And why would it matter if I ever got in a Sprint? What's that have to do with this subject?


First I never said the EFI are better in a stock configuration.
Change the computer, now thats a diffrent story!
The EFI was a bad dream at Sharon that has rolled over to Mercer and Sportsman.
I know the EFI will go away no other tracks run them that's why no one will buy one!
MRP & Sportsmans need to make sure the 305's are 305's The drivers that have been around know whats going on. Read Larry the cable guy he races he knows.
I would love to see this class grow to 30 - 40 - 50 or more 305's I think it's a great class.
What will kill this class is the lack of firm rules.
I know and talked to many of the drivers and most bitch about the lack of engine tech.
If everythig is great with this class why was the meeting a big argument?

[whenpigsfly]

holy hell! you all are quiet possibly the biggest bunch of crying jag offs i've ever heard. no one should have control of YOUR racing operation but YOU. French grimes sounds like a guy that wants total control of everyone under him before they get smart and get out. second you girls that are so worried about chicken bullshit of this guy cheats and that guy cheats are already beat and wont win races even if you had a 360.... Look at the 410's, they are never teched and I dont hear anyone there crying about some stupid ass seal. Do you want to win? then focus on your car! focus on you! dont blame everyone else because you suck! And since when was life equal? when was racing equal? there are so many more variables that will effect your performance and the outcome of the race... that there engine is the a lot lower on that list than you realize.. all you girls wanna just roll into the magic sprint car store and buy that there car thats the same as everyone elses and become ed lynch in a week or two? pay your dues, do your homework, and use that mass of weight attached to your shoulders... after you do all of that and only then do you stand a chance at being any good....

[spike]

If it had been Hickory rules instead of Ohio Sprint Bandits, if it had been Racesaver instead of Green Flag, one can only imagine. But it wasn't.

[whenpigsfly]

Rules more often than not just raise costs, even when the intent is to save money. And most of the time there is something in it for the one creating the rules!

[spike]

Rules more often than not just raise costs, even when the intent is to save money. And most of the time there is something in it for the one creating the rules!

[bill49]

Well I must be crazy because I bought a Schwanke powered OSW to run specifically at Mercer,Why would I need to travel to any other track ,we race on a budget .Man I thought I heard a lot of complaining in the mini stock class! Bill Altman would stop by our pits every week to say hello and offer my son some encouragement before each race.Thats what racing needs,track owners that motivate and inspire young people to keep racing and move up and ahead.Mercer is a great facility, leave the young guys who are winning alone,They,re the future of the sport 24