Read the rules closer. Frames must be 2x3 inch tubing, not round tubing. I wish they would allow it but that has been the rule for many, many years. Perhaps they will have to allow these kind of frames later on if the local guys do not find enough cars to purchase.
Asphalt late model class
Started by fordblueoval, Nov 11 2013 05:02 PM
73 replies to this topic
#41
Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:50 PM
#42
Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:04 PM
Read the rules closer. Frames must be 2x3 inch tubing, not round tubing. I wish they would allow it but that has been the rule for many, many years. Perhaps they will have to allow these kind of frames later on if the local guys do not find enough cars to purchase.
I was just throwing that out there as a hypothetical possibility...
I like the idea of the crate class for the track, I just think it needs to be something that not only draws teams, but also fans, and there aren't a whole pile of asphalt late model fans in this area... I also understand they need to work with the other asphalt tracks, so dirt/asphalt late model may not be the answer. I was just throwing it out there....
#43
Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:09 PM
This is why this is a forum type of board so that we have a chance to express our thoughts and opinions. Sometimes promoters actually read what the fans think and act upon their suggestions so thanks for sharing.
#44
Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:55 AM
Not positive but I think asphalt chassis' are made stronger/safer.
#45
Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:00 PM
What are they calling a super late ?A 602, inexpensive shocks and a tire rule is a really good way to keep costs down.
I'm excited to see this class grow and will of course do everything I can to support it.
Now I just need a car...
#46
Posted 21 November 2013 - 02:40 AM
We needed to make a distinction between our new spec LM class and the LM's that ran here at CNB and Motordrome in 2013. So, the Super LM's as we have dubbed them are the standard template body LM's that ran at CNB Bank Raceway Park in 2013. Sorry for the confusion, Hope that clears it up.What are they calling a super late ?
#47
Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:29 AM
Not positive but I think asphalt chassis' are made stronger/safer.
I don't know about safer, but stronger/more rigid for sure.
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#48
Posted 23 November 2013 - 09:47 PM
I don't know about safer, but stronger/more rigid for sure.
I definitely would go with safer...
and to comment on the guy you went on a novel-esk rant about crates....I think its a great idea. you need to put fans in the stands, to do that you need car counts...and to build car counts, Money talks! drivers that want to race and don't have the cash now can afford it. Teams that transferred over to dirt in the past can reasonably change back at a minimal price.
also...to say that those crate races where won by the same for guys is a very ignorant way to look at it in my opinion. There Is something to be said about having a good driver. everyone here is complaining about the car. but when it comes down to it, the MORE equal the cars are the better drivers will always prevail. I think this is an example in the crate late class on dirt. And in any situation, dirt or pavement, this class will allow drivers to move up a class without putting 30 or more grand into a motor.
I think this is another reason why you see dirt Street stocks getting out of hand in the $$$ department. Can some of these teams move up, yes...can they be competitive, no. they have the money to move up but not the money to MAINTAIN the team. and in 2 years time they would be moving back down to Street stock. No team is going to move up a class unless they have the money to compete and WIN. Unless tracks start teching WAY more....cause less be honest here, they just don't tech enough. If you are CONSISTANT with your teching (tech on a consistant basis) then drivers will adjust and be ok with it. if you piss a couple ppl off, to bad, stop cheating! haha
#49
Posted 24 November 2013 - 02:39 PM
Rob is doing his homework about the 2x2 frame rail chassis and I think they will be found safe enough to race in the new crate class. These frames were every where before the switch to the round tube frames of the nineties.
#50
Posted 24 November 2013 - 04:13 PM
Rob is doing his homework about the 2x2 frame rail chassis and I think they will be found safe enough to race in the new crate class. These frames were every where before the switch to the round tube frames of the nineties.
Yes, and most of them are dangerous rust buckets rusting from the inside out. The same with the early to late 90's round tube cars. Unless they plan on doing ultrasound testing to determine the wall thickness on the frame rails is safe and inspecting all the welds I'd say forget about them.
#51
Posted 30 November 2013 - 10:45 AM
In regards to having the engines certified....
If a local car dealership sponsored a team by giving them a new 602 crate engine, does that engine have to be torn down and certified?
#52
Posted 30 November 2013 - 10:48 AM
In regards to having the engines certified....
If a local car dealership sponsored a team by giving them a new 602 crate engine, does that engine have to be torn down and certified?
That is an interesting conundrum.
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#53
Posted 30 November 2013 - 12:16 PM
In regards to having the engines certified....
If a local car dealership sponsored a team by giving them a new 602 crate engine, does that engine have to be torn down and certified?
I cannot answer for fact, as this would be totally up to Rob but our organization is signed on to assist with the certified engine program and if Rob from CNB or any other promoter utilizing our system were to present this cenario we would do everything possible to make it work out for the competitor.
my suggestion would be for us to transferr an engine into the sponsoring dealer's inventory with the secondary seals installed
Brad Hibbard
Race-1
#54
Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:54 PM
That's reasonable.
#55
Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:59 PM
We would do everything possible to avoid a teardown and recertification. HOWEVER, everything MUST BE DONE ON THE FRONT END. Once an engine is uncrated(unwrapped) whether at the dealership or not, it can not be certified without being internally checked by RACE-1, Pace Performance or some other Track specified provider. We are trying very hard to eliminate any "games", so guys (and ladies) feel confident that they didn't get beat by a "cheated" motor. Although it may be harder to swallow admitting you got beat on skill rather than a cheated motor. LOLI cannot answer for fact, as this would be totally up to Rob but our organization is signed on to assist with the certified engine program and if Rob from CNB or any other promoter utilizing our system were to present this cenario we would do everything possible to make it work out for the competitor.
my suggestion would be for us to transferr an engine into the sponsoring dealer's inventory with the secondary seals installed
Brad Hibbard
Race-1
#56
Posted 04 December 2013 - 08:18 AM
Why not just remove the breakaway bolts so you can access engine for tech- does sealing up the motor after verifying mean you're not going back in if a car wins. Didn't guys get caught cheating at Erie after motors were checked. What's the cost to have a motor checked? One must at least applaud CNB for their effort.We would do everything possible to avoid a teardown and recertification. HOWEVER, everything MUST BE DONE ON THE FRONT END. Once an engine is uncrated(unwrapped) whether at the dealership or not, it can not be certified without being internally checked by RACE-1, Pace Performance or some other Track specified provider. We are trying very hard to eliminate any "games", so guys (and ladies) feel confident that they didn't get beat by a "cheated" motor. Although it may be harder to swallow admitting you got beat on skill rather than a cheated motor. LOL
#57
Posted 04 December 2013 - 08:47 AM
Unrelated to CNB or anywhere else, I've often wondered why guys don't just buy the engine and stick it in the car. If everyone would just do that just think how much money it would save.
I won 15 races with home built under powered engines. Probably could have won a lot more (maybe, nothing for certain) but was quite proud to pull in the tech shed each time with a moderate engine and a chassis that was dialed. Much more satisfying than massaging parts just because "everyone else" is doing it.
Ramey Womer
womerracing.com
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#58
Posted 05 December 2013 - 12:50 AM
We are working out the details, but I assure you that the costs will be contained and reasonable. The whole idea of Double Sealed motors is to reduce not eliminate tech. The carb must still be "gauge legal", the weights have to be right, the fuel has to check out correctly. There will be protest rules AND claiming rules to keep everyone on their toes. I'll have specific costs for you shortly, but definitely before the DEC 15th drivers meeting.Why not just remove the breakaway bolts so you can access engine for tech- does sealing up the motor after verifying mean you're not going back in if a car wins. Didn't guys get caught cheating at Erie after motors were checked. What's the cost to have a motor checked? One must at least applaud CNB for their effort.
#59
Posted 05 December 2013 - 09:22 AM
Thanks for the answers everyone. If I was trying to put a deal together to run this class, that is where I would be starting. I don't know if any dealerships have done sponsorships like this in the past, but it wouldn't hurt to give it a try. My memories of racing in Clearfield are filled with cars that were sponsored by all the different companies involved with the coal industry, that was back when coal was king in the region, along with all the cars sponsored by the gas stations and garages around the area. There are a lot of different car dealerships in the region, if each of them sponsored a team with an engine, we would be half way or better to having a full field of cars for the new late model division.
#60
Posted 05 December 2013 - 07:07 PM
New car dealers in our region have rarely sponsored race cars. Many other areas have, stateline comes to mind.
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