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#21 brad hibbard

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 09:21 PM

Cnb raceway you've killed the class before it even started. If its ok to run the open motors with the 602's in the streets and mods why wouldn't it work with the pro late class. I have 20 years worth of open motor stuff like back up carbs,intakes, heads,headers and the list goes on. DEAD BEFORE IT HAS EVEN STARTED!!!!



NOT TRUE iceman,

we have been getting calls everyday since the first announcment of this concept------

I have to give Rob and Elliot alot of credit here -----they took a serious look at the racing economy and listened to what the racer had to say then made a logical decision in a direction with a clean piece of paper.

will there be mistakes?----you bet
will this fit everyone's desire?---no way

will there be more than a handful of competitors-------I think so
will they have fun----oh ya

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 09:46 PM

NOT TRUE iceman,

we have been getting calls everyday since the first announcment of this concept------

I have to give Rob and Elliot alot of credit here -----they took a serious look at the racing economy and listened to what the racer had to say then made a logical decision in a direction with a clean piece of paper.

will there be mistakes?----you bet
will this fit everyone's desire?---no way

will there be more than a handful of competitors-------I think so
will they have fun----oh ya

JMO
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That's coming from from someone who deals the crates so I'm sure your happy. I had my open motor done for less than what you can buy a crate for. its not that easy for the open motor guys to get rid of all there stuff to start over. I race at Motordrome in the street stocks now I'm stuck unless I sell everything and start from scratch how is that saving money when I compete with the 602's now. mark my word the division will be dead within 3 years.it's not fair for the open motor guys.


#23 fordblueoval

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:37 PM

Shawn, Were you planning on moving up to this new class or stay with the street stocks?


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 01:13 AM

Am I missing something? Is Jennerstown reopening?


They're working on reopening it. Imagine it won't be too much longer before an announcement is made one way or the other.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 07:52 AM

Shawn,

Were you planning on moving up to this new class or stay with the street stocks?

I was planning on it but but not now i guess.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 08:30 AM

I was planning on it but but not now i guess.



sorry to hear that iceman----but keep this mind

$3149 gets you a brand new complete engine from intake to oil pan and even includes a distributor-----it is a proven dependable engine

you will be competeing against EVERY other car with the same exact engine.

no worries about being out spent from under the hood


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 11:19 AM

Hello Shawn. I heard that one track is going to let you run an open motor against the 602 in the same class. So I guess we will have to wait and see. Only track with the rules out so far is CNB Bank raceway park.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 12:37 PM

Could you expand on that more Howie?


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 01:13 PM

so you have the guy that builds the motors tech them guess that is y gault was never checked.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 01:55 PM

Can anyone confirm that nascar intervined at Lake Erie speedway and said it was of conflicting interest to have the engine supplier teching motors? I was told this from multiple competitors. Comments please....


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 04:13 PM

sorry to hear that iceman----but keep this mind

$3149 gets you a brand new complete engine from intake to oil pan and even includes a distributor-----it is a proven dependable engine

you will be competeing against EVERY other car with the same exact engine.

no worries about being out spent from under the hood


Other than a carb, what else needs to be bought to complete the engine? IE: starter, water pump, fan, pulleys, stuff like that.


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Posted 15 November 2013 - 05:11 PM

I was told that one track is considering running open motor in that class! Are you sayin that is not true??

Edited by HowieB, 15 November 2013 - 07:04 PM.



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Posted 15 November 2013 - 07:57 PM

Other than a carb, what else needs to be bought to complete the engine? IE: starter, water pump, fan, pulleys, stuff like that.



fuel pump, plug wires, water pump, pulleys and carb.


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Posted 16 November 2013 - 09:58 AM

That's coming from from someone who deals the crates so I'm sure your happy. I had my open motor done for less than what you can buy a crate for. its not that easy for the open motor guys to get rid of all there stuff to start over. I race at Motordrome in the street stocks now I'm stuck unless I sell everything and start from scratch how is that saving money when I compete with the 602's now. mark my word the division will be dead within 3 years.it's not fair for the open motor guys.



What this post says is only part of what is wrong with the entire crate racing concept.

Allow crate motors in the class, that's fine. But why should this fella be forced to buy one when he has perfectly good equipment that is bought and paid for? Like my buddy always says; "I can show you shelves full of parts that were put there by rules that were supposed to save me money".

Why would anyone think that a paved crate class would be any different than the crate on dirt clusterf*ck we have around here now? Probably 3/4 of the so-called money races are won by the same four or five guys, and everyone is led to believe that all the teams are on their best behavior because the tech process is so thorough and the penalties for cheating are so severe. What a bunch of horse shit. You can't tech everything all the time, and even if you did, who is to say that all of the tech people possess the same diligence, knowledge and thoroughness as the others? And what about politics and favoritism?

The only thing crate racing has done is underscore two things that anyone with half a brain already knew about racing, and they are that money still can help buy wins and that any racer worth their salt finds knew and creative ways to cheat. The only way to keep cheating out of the game is for a sanction to own, set-up and maintain the entire 24 car field.

So what does this say about crate racing? To me it says there is money in it for promoters that push the use of these motors at their track, and I don't mean money via the front and back-gate. I mean guaranteed money like division sponsors or money from tire rules. Why the hell else would Lernerville push the crate thing in an incredibly diverse and entertaining Stock class that averages over 24 cars, most of whom run "open" motors? Why, indeed.

People will flame me for this post and I could give a rats ass. I've been going to the races since before some of them were even born. I've seen what works at racetracks and what doesn't, and to me all this crate racing thing has done has but a band-aid on a wound that requires sutures. It has done for many promoters what table salt or hot sauce has done for nasty chicken wings or fish; covered the taste. A temporary fix for bad programs and poor car counts. Window dressing for piss poor promoting, terrible programs, slow shows, bad track conditions and nearly everything else that ails racing in the New Rust Belt of short track racing.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 01:49 PM

Way I see it, they are trying to build a division that will put a bunch of competitive cars on the track. One could conceivably put a car on the track for under 10k. That could work.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 03:02 PM

Way I see it, they are trying to build a division that will put a bunch of competitive cars on the track. One could conceivably put a car on the track for under 10k. That could work.



Found a car for $1500 and crate motor for $1700 so you can do this very inexpensively.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 07:35 AM

Can anyone confirm that nascar intervined at Lake Erie speedway and said it was of conflicting interest to have the engine supplier teching motors? I was told this from multiple competitors. Comments please....

Guess noone would care to comment? Gotta wonder why.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 07:47 AM

Joel, I see you have some 602 motors for sale but are they legal?

I've had a bunch of calls over the last few weeks from guys in this division. No they are not legal for this class. I pretty much said that when I posted them for sale. I doubt any coming from drome will be. I'm pretty certain a 'stock' 602 never won at Drome. Here's an idea though- which us not mine- do like Some other tracks and pull off all the breakaway bolts and replace with regular- then any tech monkey can check. Hey one more question- how u gonna check for undercover porting?


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 08:21 AM

Can anyone confirm that nascar intervined at Lake Erie speedway and said it was of conflicting interest to have the engine supplier teching motors? I was told this from multiple competitors. Comments please....



Not here to get into a negative debate---but you asked for a comment

The engine suppiler that you are referring to i believe is SweeneyChevrolet/PacePerformance/Race-1

The technical inspection you are refering to i belive is from me personally or a represenative from the above

All inspections that were performed by the above group were orderd by LES staff and supervised by their own in house technical department.

with the same organization possibly being involved at an even higher level for 2014 and a direct involvement from myself ---I think I would have caught a little wind to some conflict at the Nascar level.--------I have NOT heard of any such issues

Our inspection programs for series and tracks have many checks and balances -----which do not leave any decision up to 1 person or organization

if you would like to discuss any of our procedures feel free to call any of us that our involved.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 05:56 PM

Dirt Lates on Asphalt

Way more old dirt late model chassis around here..... Same rules as they already have for the asphalt crate class, except use a dirt chassis and body... :lol:

Edited by T-440, 19 November 2013 - 05:57 PM.






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