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[dylchris]

You see I did not say the engine built is that the engine block lightened is within 15 pounds of the aluminum blocks we are racing in our 95 and 96 bullets. Did you get a driver to go with that new car or are you going to continue to make an ass out of yourself on the track. How did you do last year.

Your insane if you think a steel dart block is within 15lbs of aluminum . A stock Chevy block is like 180 a real dart block is around 205 and with cnc lightening you can get it to around 175 and aluminum without cnc lightening is 95lbs ... A Cornett 430 is under 350lbs ... Complete

[bd3d]

That rule was not in effect last year to my knowledge. Everyone just had to weigh 2400 pounds.

[fordblueoval]

You guys better start running a small block Ford as the block only weighs 121lbs.

[rsadiedog]

Yes it was not in effect last year, everyone just had to weigh 2400, so what happened last year that dictates the need for the change? As for no big deal to bolt 60 odd on, it is a bigger deal than you think, there is not of good places to bolt on weight in front of mid plate, plus if you bolt 60 up front you need to be bolt a similar amount over the rear.

[m_stagev]

bolting 60 lbs. up front is not a big deal standard aluminum rodeck, Donovan, etc block weighs 105 lbs. and a dart iron eagle weighs around 200 depending how you weigh it with dowel pins, etc.I have seen most professional teams run that much up front o a high traction track anyways.

[bd3d]

Yes it was not in effect last year, everyone just had to weigh 2400, so what happened last year that dictates the need for the change?

As for no big deal to bolt 60 odd on, it is a bigger deal than you think, there is not of good places to bolt on weight in front of mid plate, plus if you bolt 60 up front you need to be bolt a similar amount over the rear.

Why would you need to bolt a similar amount over the rear?

[thirdgen43]

This will definitely make our decision not to go back... Along with other things. But why would we want to bolt 60 pounds on the front and then have to take it off and re scale the car every time we go somewhere else? Very stupid!

[mud buddy]

I said from start last rule meeting this should happen I guess when blose came there 6 times and won 5.phillips came 3 times won two really doesn't matter get real

[ohsofast]

Do you think it is because of motor weight difference? Blose won at lernerville marion center and dog hollow a couple years ago with steel motor. Or is it due to better setup and preparation? I know Phillips ran his steel block well with the supers many times. Set up is where it is at not the weight of motor. Most of your top teams have weight bolted in front of firewall. but not 60 lbs. Setups win races not having weight bolted in certain parts of car.

[The Legend]

Do you think it is because of motor weight difference? Blose won at lernerville marion center and dog hollow a couple years ago with steel motor. Or is it due to better setup and preparation? I know Phillips ran his steel block well with the supers many times. Set up is where it is at not the weight of motor. Most of your top teams have weight bolted in front of firewall. but not 60 lbs. Setups win races not having weight bolted in certain parts of car.

Don't assume those weights you see are anything other than hollow tubing ...

[bd3d]

The Bottom line is Rear weight percentage equals better forward bite! If an Aluminum block is roughly 100 pounds lighter than a steel block then it is a clear advantage to the teams that have Aluminum Motors....If the car has to weigh 2400 pounds and the Aluminum block is 100 pounds lighter than a Steel block then that equates to about 4% of the total weight of the race car, that is weight that is immediately taken off of the front of the car...Common sense and plain old math both agree on this one, It is much easier to get 55% rear weight with an Aluminum Motor than it is with a Steel Motor, if you want 55% rear weight with Steel Motor your are probably going to be running a little extra rear weight to get it. The lighter the weight rule is the more significant the advantage becomes!

[kip77]

I helped out up there when it was Gamblers. There were many nights that Hofner would roll onto the scales at least 200 lbs heavier than anybody else. And I mean "at least"!!! Some of those races he absolutely dominated.

[gofast05]

lighter isn't always better. a heavier car is going to have more bite and that of course depends on where the weight is, and it would possibly be more controllable. just my opinion and in theory this works haha

[scruffy1a]

lighter isn't always better. a heavier car is going to have more bite and that of course depends on where the weight is, and it would possibly be more controllable. just my opinion and in theory this works haha

You must be on the cutting edge of technology. I heard all of the sprint car teams heading to Florida next month are replacing their magnesium, titanium and aluminum parts with tungsten. Also the drivers are waking up twice during the night to eat extra meals to increase body weight. These efforts are in order to gain more "bite" to make their cars "more controllable". Heavy is the new light.

[gofast05]

You must be on the cutting edge of technology. I heard all of the sprint car teams heading to Florida next month are replacing their magnesium, titanium and aluminum parts with tungsten. Also the drivers are waking up twice during the night to eat extra meals to increase body weight. These efforts are in order to gain more "bite" to make their cars "more controllable". Heavy is the new light.

scruffball, I don't recall saying that its the case with EVERY CAR! But I've seen it work on different cars. certainly said not a single word about sprint cars. Unless you're a little retarded and somehow read that I was talking about sprint cars??

[rsadiedog]

The Bottom line is Rear weight percentage equals better forward bite! If an Aluminum block is roughly 100 pounds lighter than a steel block then it is a clear advantage to the teams that have Aluminum Motors....If the car has to weigh 2400 pounds and the Aluminum block is 100 pounds lighter than a Steel block then that equates to about 4% of the total weight of the race car, that is weight that is immediately taken off of the front of the car...Common sense and plain old math both agree on this one, It is much easier to get 55% rear weight with an Aluminum Motor than it is with a Steel Motor, if you want 55% rear weight with Steel Motor your are probably going to be running a little extra rear weight to get it.
The lighter the weight rule is the more significant the advantage becomes!

I don't think anyone will argue with you about this, yes, less front weight means less ballast needed in rear to get rear percentage. My aluminum motor car has 1 piece of lead in it, and it's not over the rear, it's directly across from the driver's seat to make up for my fat a**!

The real question is do you want to have a super late model class or a steel block class. If you want the same old low paying steel block class that has been around that area for years, then by all means do so. If you make the rules as last year where everyone weighs 2400, regardless of block composition, then you will get some super guys to come. If you make the supers bolt it from the mid-plate forward, you won't propably see any. JMO

[scruffy1a]

scruffball, I don't recall saying that its the case with EVERY CAR! But I've seen it work on different cars. certainly said not a single word about sprint cars. Unless you're a little retarded and somehow read that I was talking about sprint cars??

gofat05, I don't recall you specifying any car or leaving any car out. Please highlight for me where you said your opinion and theory excludes sprint cars in the post to which I replied:

lighter isn't always better. a heavier car is going to have more bite and that of course depends on where the weight is, and it would possibly be more controllable. just my opinion and in theory this works haha

[scruffy1a]

If you make the supers bolt it from the mid-plate forward, you won't propably see any. JMO

If anyone has read gofat05's advice, they'll not only be happy to add the front weight, but they'll be rock hard to add even more to the rear. With setup information like that, I'm sure he's on the payroll of some race team already, but maybe he can help you out too.

[gofast05]

gofat05, I don't recall you specifying any car or leaving any car out. Please highlight for me where you said your opinion and theory excludes sprint cars in the post to which I replied:

my points been made. I've seen proof of my point on several occasions. so whatever argument or smart assed comments you have, are totally invalid. Did I Specifically say, "The Sprint car guys are eating as much as they can throughout the night to pack on lbs. to go race to get more bite" nope, didn't even come close to that. As stated before, hoffner came acrossed the scales 200 lbs. over on several occasions. the red 37 street stock won 3 races in a row at the end of 2012 and several before that and its well over the limit. so if you think that more weight doesn't help traction, you my friend, are an idiot. Why do heavier tractors get better traction? why does a heavier vehicle go better in the winter than a light vehicle? Why on earth would people put wheel weights on a lawn tractor?? could it be to get better traction??? The point and theory stays the same with anything including racecars, and I definitely didn't say anything as far as Every Racecar. Some it helps alot, some it doesn't.

[scruffy1a]

my points been made. I've seen proof of my point on several occasions. so whatever argument or smart assed comments you have, are totally invalid. Did I Specifically say, "The Sprint car guys are eating as much as they can throughout the night to pack on lbs. to go race to get more bite" nope, didn't even come close to that. As stated before, hoffner came acrossed the scales 200 lbs. over on several occasions. the red 37 street stock won 3 races in a row at the end of 2012 and several before that and its well over the limit. so if you think that more weight doesn't help traction, you my friend, are an idiot. Why do heavier tractors get better traction? why does a heavier vehicle go better in the winter than a light vehicle? Why on earth would people put wheel weights on a lawn tractor?? could it be to get better traction??? The point and theory stays the same with anything including racecars, and I definitely didn't say anything as far as Every Racecar. Some it helps alot, some it doesn't.

Heavy is the new light. Tanks get good traction, after all.

When this hot setup catches on, I hope tracks implement a maximum weight rule so that there isn't a field full of 4,000 pound late models destroying each other every time there's contact.