51 replies to this topic

[wildbill51]

i seen on there site that they are lowering the purse for all divisions, starting this weekend

[The Legend]

If this keeps up express man might slam him schming in a steel door !!

[race ace]

you have only ran one race this year on a night where the weather looked iffy and was a little cold , how about running a few weeks and see if the car counts pick up ?lowering the payouts chases cars away especially since the pit fees are more there than at Hummingbird .here is a friendly suggestion maybe instead of changing the rules on the off season that cost the streetrstock guys more money leave them to what was voted on by the drivers at the meeting last year.oh and it might be nice to have the hillside food stand open so peolpe don't have to walk half way around the track to get a hamburger and fries .remember when cars go elsewhere so do the cars fans .i do realize that this is a business but hurting the drivers does not help anyone, these guys count on every dime to make it to the track each week .

[racing fan 5]

I agree it's a little early for change. On the other hand I can understand why this happened. How much money do you need to loose before change? Not sure about most people. But anything over 1,000.00 hurts pretty hard. Even the other tracks who have run shows are getting poor attendance. It takes a lot of money to cover a late model purse. 5000.00? Even at $30.00 you need 167 paid (pit) attendance to just pay for 1 class. As for AMP hilltop concession.... Paying 1 person last year to run that stand did not cover their cost for a night. As per lady who worked there.Most people bring there own food.. Maybe a 5 dollar fee for each vehicle bringing in there own food? Drive thru does that. Or how about not letting certain size coolers in? Most tracks do that.

[ramey36]

Back gate should not be relied upon to finance a track.

[racing fan 5]

I agree with back gate.. Front gate needs to pull more than any track is seeing .. Cars will always race... FANS need to show up.

[The Legend]

It's cut the purse or close !!! Those are the options !!

[snooky]

That's not good. They got all the teams where they want 'em. Rules for SS and pures are very different than the Bird. Where can they go on Saturday? MC I guess. Hummingbird pays less but cost less to get in and pay a little for top 3 in heats.

[Express Man]

If this keeps up express man might slam him schming in a steel door !!

Good One Legend!  But I couldn't do that to all my Young Lady friends!

[The Legend]

You guys would have to own a business to understand . Owners usually work 60-110 hours a week and if stuff goes wrong they lose money or break even !!! On a small local track like amp I would think making a grand a night after all expenses is probably overly optimistic. The guy can't pay out money just because you think he should ! He has to pay out based on what comes in. If you want him to pay more convince everyone you know to go to the track and eat concession food. You people act like he's clearing 50k a night and he's cutting purses because he wants to clear 51k !! Probably more like he's losing a thousand or 2 and just wants to break even !!! Eldora makes a killing on the world but outside of that I just don't see large profits happening in relation to the investment required .

[Express Man]

You guys would have to own a business to understand . Owners usually work 60-110 hours a week and if stuff goes wrong they lose money or break even !!! On a small local track like amp I would think making a grand a night after all expenses is probably overly optimistic. The guy can't pay out money just because you think he should ! He has to pay out based on what comes in. If you want him to pay more convince everyone you know to go to the track and eat concession food. You people act like he's clearing 50k a night and he's cutting purses because he wants to clear 51k !! Probably more like he's losing a thousand or 2 and just wants to break even !!! Eldora makes a killing on the world but outside of that I just don't see large profits happening in relation to the investment required .

Legend...I own several business's.  Why should your customers have to make adjustments so you can make your business run???  if the business isn't solvent....then its doing no one any good!  Either figure out a way to make it solvent....or quit!  Don't ask your customers to take concessions and put a foul taste in everyones mouth!  Low payouts bring crappy cars and no fans and just give the whole sport a bad name!  Just My .02

[dirtstudent2]

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Edited by dirtstudent2, 22 May 2014 - 09:59 PM.

[Express Man]

Just looked at the Payout!   Thats a good steelblock/limited/crate payout!  Thats the type of car they are after anyway!  Weren't they making the Superlate guys put 50 pounds on the motor plate to deter them from comming?  Seems pretty simple to me what the intentions are!  Want to run a limited show!  probably just as good on that small a track anyway!

[race ace]

well the good thing is when the car counts come back up so does the purse  at the other track it don't matter how many cars there are that is the payout.

Edited by race ace, 23 May 2014 - 02:29 AM.

[The Legend]

Express man actually all businesses adjust. If you pay attention to the menu at places like Ruth Chris the prices are always slightly higher when you go back , Jonny Huck Designs are more expensive this year than last, my 2015 f150 limited will be more than my 2010 platinum was. The problem is the tracks are pretty much at the ceiling of what they can charge so the only adjustment they can make at this point is cutting the purse. Trust me I wish the local tracks paid 500 to start and 10k to win every night but that's not possible unless an insane track owner hits the power ball and is determined to spend it all before he dies. If you want to run for 10+k just run Lucas oil or WOO raced.

[Express Man]

Express man actually all businesses adjust. If you pay attention to the menu at places like Ruth Chris the prices are always slightly higher when you go back , Jonny Huck Designs are more expensive this year than last, my 2015 f150 limited will be more than my 2010 platinum was. The problem is the tracks are pretty much at the ceiling of what they can charge so the only adjustment they can make at this point is cutting the purse. Trust me I wish the local tracks paid 500 to start and 10k to win every night but that's not possible unless an insane track owner hits the power ball and is determined to spend it all before he dies. If you want to run for 10+k just run Lucas oil or WOO raced.

So if that premiss is correct Jonny Huck...your 2015 Platnum should be less than your 1995 Platnum???  Just because people can't afford to pay more?  I am thinking of a new deck expansion at my house??  Maybe extending into a Tree House!  Perehaps I should get a price from you???   I can afford that now that i don't race my car for $100.00! Now that I can follow your thinking!  Maybe we should all go back to and old 2x3 Bullitt chassis with a good 377 in it.   And a Muncie with all the gears taken out except 3rd and 4th!  Maybe those Zoomie headers as well!  I am beginning to see the picture!

[The Legend]

Not at all.... Ford can raise their price because they have customers willing and able to pay more , the same with me and the same with Ruth Chris .... Racing is a red neck hill billy sport and most of the die hard fans can't afford to pay more than they do now. It's not meant as derogatory toward them it's just reality

[dylchris]

Reality is you must produce a product that warrants the price being asked. Once a product is determined to be good, of value and in line with the asking price; good advertisement and word of mouth will promote your product.  I have never seen a viable business "shrink" into greatness.  The tricky part is what is the product and and how does it fit in with the market you are reaching out to? 

 

If I were to guess, I would say both Express mMan and Johnny Huck has a very large portion of their business generated by word of mouth because clients were pleased with the product and the value.  The same product may not sell in different demographics; but the total package in your demographics is marketable. 

 

One last wise word I was taught, "you never poop where you eat".

[The Legend]

Chris all of bam bams magic green energy company's were built using the " if you build it they will come " mentality and where are they now ??? Bankrupt ... You need to get racer and fan support before you can raise payouts . D

[dylchris]

I agree 100 percent with you; they will not come just because you biult it.  The foundation to success is a sound business plan based off of sound data and decisions. When you are in a market that is saturated with the same product as you; the one whom survives will need to separate their product from the others.