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[animalgfx]

The question I asked was... Any truth to the rumors about clip cars at Thunder Mountain.. I got a firm no from Bo..

[tdietz10]

I have no problem with clip cars that have leafs or metric style 4 link suspension. What is stupid is places that allow pull bars and j-bars. Basically a emod with fenders.

[hollywood5t]

I'm sure everyone knows my brothers car "Fancy" the 1957 Chevy bodied street stock, that's a "clip" car with a conventional style home made "metric style" rear suspension, what helped him is that I ran metric cars and took measurements and angles off that to build his rear suspension.. I agree no 3-links,no pan-hard bars, no J-bars, no pull-bars, leaf springs with a 2x3 chassis from stub back or a frame measuring 10in in circumference which is 2x 2 1/2 box. Clip cars is what street stocks are gunna become...

[superdirt]

If the class is going to survive, it has to allow parts that are available.   Stock snout, tubing-back half frames make sense for this class in the future as full stock frame cars don't exist anymore in production and unibodies have to be tied with tubing anyhow.  As long as there is a weight limit, the frames are not offset and late model/e-mod rear suspension components are not allowed, there shouldn't be any real advantage over a full stock frame.   I would be much more concerned with the wide-open, machine worked motors that are allowed in this class than a non-offset, tubing back-half frame.

[race ace]

there are still lots of cars around that are being left behind by the rules the track owners are allowing these street stocks to  run and the smaller guys cant afford to dump a ton of money into a hobby , if you make a set of rules that allow these older cars to be competitive they will show up, i am not saying to scrap the streetstock rules, just do like a.m.p was trying to do with their semi late division only do it with a streetstock chasis with a shock rule and a suspension rule  maybe put all cars on a hard tire , i have talked to a lot of drivers and they are in favor of this but nobody else  will listen .

[superdirt]

there are still lots of cars around that are being left behind by the rules the track owners are allowing these street stocks to  run and the smaller guys cant afford to dump a ton of money into a hobby , if you make a set of rules that allow these older cars to be competitive they will show up, i am not saying to scrap the streetstock rules, just do like a.m.p was trying to do with their semi late division only do it with a streetstock chasis with a shock rule and a suspension rule  maybe put all cars on a hard tire , i have talked to a lot of drivers and they are in favor of this but nobody else  will listen .

 

 

Any track with a scale can keep the old stuff competitive while allowing reasonable aftermarket parts on new cars.  If items are an advantage, but are being allowed because of their ease of access, put them in a higher weight category!  From what I have been told, the tubing back-half is not an advantage though as long as not offest.

[faster1]

a good majority of new full frame cars are built with the offset cages, not allowing that rules out converting an old LM or emod frame which are plentiful and cheap.

[3 link]

If you're going to fabricate a rear suspension the 3 link is the most simple to build and the ability to make  adjustments  make for better and cheaper racing

By cheaper I mean going fast without wrecking.......(wrecking yourself and others has always cost the racer more in the long run)

 

A 3 link....(all bars...no pull bar) and behind the rear panhard bar ...keep the springs on top of the axle housing.....what a simple concept....

 

What's the trick parts for a metric 4 bar rear costing these days?

Adjustable uppers...mono ball lower bushings...not cheap.....

Let be real metric front stubs are the worst geometry in any chassis used for circle track racing

 

 

Camaro stub or a 68 to 72 chevelle stub....(which can be purchased new and cheap) for a front clip......

Any thing in between the front stub and limited 3 link...your call

Edited by 3 link, 10 October 2014 - 01:31 PM.

[tdietz10]

Nothing is cheaper then a metric rear suspension

[racer67x]

I acquired a frame that ran at Selinsgrove and a few other tracks from the other end of the state,it seems they are a little bit ahead of us. metric clip,square tube frame rails and the rear mounts are in the metric location but face straight back like a modified..they use heavy angled control arms to keep the rearend straight with no panhard bar. I don't know a whole lot about a 3 link but a streetstock should be limited to mounts in the stock location and no panhard or pull bar of any type. I've also seen this year 3 hole lower brackets that bolt onto the stock location using a shorter arm,should these be legal? the cars are pretty out of hand and its time to reign them in a bit..

[3 link]

3 link = 4 rods... 8 rod ends...2 springs

metric rear = 4 arms...new bushings...2 springs

 

metric rear = slow

 

3 link = simple adjustability...virtually the same cost...fast corner speeds....controllable handling....Priceless!!!!!!

[The Legend]

And being able to use more HP putting more emphasis on expensive engines and less on drivers forcing the guys who can't afford the big hammers to quit .... Yeah great idea !!

[714d]

^^^bingo. The topic isn't "how can we make stocks faster". They're plenty fast as is.
And "controllable" is up for debate too. The guys that figure it out are good, but I've seen a lot of guys try it and be a hazard too. It really creates another seperation in fast cars and field fillers. I've seen 3-links turn top 5 cars into field fillers, or more commonly field trashers. Congrats to those who figure it out and dominate, but it's not good for cost or racing overall.

Edited by 714d, 12 October 2014 - 12:46 PM.

[race ace]

sometimes jon some of the stuff you write makes sense !and that is exactly what i have been saying for years .if you force the little guys out with your rules soon you will have nobody .the only guys who need to run big expensive hammers and exotic suspension setups are the guys who  cant drive by a reasonable set of rules they need that crutch called money to out race you.it was at one time there were 25 or more streetstocks at hummingbird and yes they are mostly still around.

[greaseball]

sometimes jon some of the stuff you write makes sense !and that is exactly what i have been saying for years .if you force the little guys out with your rules soon you will have nobody .the only guys who need to run big expensive hammers and exotic suspension setups are the guys who  cant drive by a reasonable set of rules they need that crutch called money to out race you.it was at one time there were 25 or more streetstocks at hummingbird and yes they are mostly still around.

Put them on 8 in tires and 358 cube limit any suspention.

[tdietz10]

Why not just run an emod at that point?

[race ace]

the E in e-mod once stood for economic modified if you look at these cars they are far from cheap to race , and greaseball instead of an 8 inch tire i was thinking more along the line of making everyone run a hard tire compound .i am not sure that is the answer but might be a start .then go along the lines of an engine and shock package of what a.m.p. semi lates were running .but for god sake do not start another crate class of anything !!!!!    I saw enough at mckean .

[714d]

Getting a bit off the topic, but oh well..... Haha

Ace, I know you are all for a street/pure stock hybrid class. I completely agree if you keep the street stock pay, and bring in e-mods for the guys that want to run bigger motors and exotic suspension components. That's a card I'd like to see run at more tracks in this area.

Lates, stocks, emods, 4cyl

Need more than one track on board to make it happen in today's racing world where tracks all share cars. Seems only 4-5 guys run for points in each class at tracks in this area.

[tdietz10]

There are only X amount of racers everytime you start a different class you lose car count from another class.

[racer 21]

That sounds like an awesome class I have a little ranger that I would rip apart right now..best idea yet.