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[The Legend]

I know in hillbilly country you guys are behind the times ... Have you ever heard of " sweet Bloomquist " club 29" longhorn " capital ??? They all sell for considerably more than rocket with higher margins and a greater percentage of their cars winning . This isn't 1999 rocket isn't the only game in town

[jake shady]

we are behind in money.and the time gets away from us because of money!! i didnt say rocket was the very best. but who really knows what the best is? if bloomquest only had the option of driving a rocket i bet he still wins.

[jake shady]

Legend States...[They all sell for considerably more than rocket with higher margins and a greater percentage of their cars winning] . this makes my point exactly.[ percentage of cars!!!]

[The Legend]

No you said Richards is the best businessman and found all the big money car owners to sell to . And I explained you are wrong . Selling less cars with a 12k premium on them is a better business model

[jake shady]

i get it.  and maybe so.     i stand partially corrected. 

[GOTTI]

so legend selling cars that cost 45k to 100 people is better than selling 30k cars to thousands is a better decision business wise? just inquiring. not arguing.

[The Legend]

Yes it's called profit margin , big production means BIG overhead expense .... What's more valuable a Rolex or a citizen ? A Lamborghini Aventador or a Chevy camaro ?

[The Legend]

And rocket isn't selling thousands , there's a difference between selling thousands since 1992 and selling thousands a year ...

[GOTTI]

cant argue that. but selling to weekly racers like rocket does has to have positive income equal to or beyond what club 29,long horn,or capitol have with maybe 50 drivers between the three brands.

[jms22]

Pretty sure Rocket's biggest "overhead" is the bad a** blue hauler parked out back and the 6 complete late models next door. As far as the production side, it is far from sophisticated.

[lrnvlFan1w]

Couldn't you actually get the cost lower on a chassis by building more?  I would think the one who buys the most would get the best price on parts and materials to make there chassis.

 

Plus wouldn't the cost to build the car be the same for 1 car as it is to build that 1 car a hundred times?  Still have to buy the materials, pay the labor, pay the utilities etc.

 

Sure you can sell it for more and make a higher profit on that one car but if you sell Car A for 12,000 with a Cost of 6,000 and you have Car B that sells for 10,000 with a cost of 6,000 but you sell 2 you have 8,000 in the bank.  That model doesn't even take in to account that you can probably lower the cost of Car B more refining the process and getting concessions from your supplier.

 

Granted Car B would have a "Cheaper" brand where Car A wouldn't be known as a "Cheap" brand.

 

Kind of you pay for what you get.  Like a deck built by "The Legend" and a deck built by 84 Lumber.  

[manny]

mark richards has been building race cars since he was a baby. he has always learned from and surrounded himself with the best in the industry. his cars are very simple to work on. that's whats appeals to the masses. if i can figure them out, anyone can. if i remember right, they build about 300 cars a year.

[The Legend]

Nick there's this thing called the law of diminishing return. By your estimation I would make 5 times a much by franchising and selling junk like deck masters ..... Trust me it's not the case. I've been in business basically my entire adult life and I have been successful at it ... I have a very good idea of what works and want doesn't . The bigger the company is the more it is acted on by outside forces. I'm not saying rocket isn't making a killing selling clowns front bumpers for 270 .... I'm tell if you that your better off selling less cars for 12k more each. I haven't tried to price a sweet Bloomquist but I would be surprised at anything under 75k. The car isn't worth that to me unless your going to run Lucas oil and pit next to Scott and he's going to make the calls for you. I don't come on here to give business lesson I come on here to bust balls so back to the treadmill I go ...

[lrnvlFan1w]

That was my point.  Except as an outsider looking in at a business like your's you would hurt your brand more than help it by selling cheaper and more.  Your brand like a Bloomquist car people are buying for knowledge, quality and prestige.  Something you can't get from just anyone.  You rarely hear "There the best and cheapest" in the same sentence.

 

My reference was more to those of Mass Retailers.  Sell more for less and then therefore buy for less.

 

Either way I think Rocket's sell more because of there location, service and the number of people running them (perceived shared knowledge)

[RocketRide]

Davey Lee the only reason that you think that Rockets are winning chassis is because. There are more around here, look at the odds,trust me i had several of them but have since changed chassis, i. Would put my GRT up against any Rocket. With the juice driving it, anyday.

[DavyLee2]

Rocket ,Grt's have won the World, the Dream , the Pittsburgher and many awards etcetcetc. Maybe rockets didn't work for you but leading up to Kid Rocket getting sidelined .. He was doing pretty good in one  . The old saying win on Sunday sell on Monday ..   

 As you said there are more rockets around here than anything and I would go there first because I know a few people who own them and believe I could get some good info from them and have a better chance to run well ..

Please tell why you changed and did it pay off or did you spend allot of time doing something different to eventually get the same result ? Or are you running allot better.

Lambroginis are what 200 K ... but you can beat them 10 different ways in a 80,000 Corvette zr-6?( whatever they are now)  is the 200 k car better?

 

You had several of them before changing .. so what made you start with a Rocket.

 

Davey won may races in bullets . do they still make them?

[The Legend]

Do you realize all of the drivers that are successful In those other chassis except Bloomquist and Moyer used to run rockets ???? If they had better attitudes towards their customers and actually kept people up to date with what josh was running currently instead of what he ran 4 years ago many of them would still be there. It's funny the Pittsburgh race stud people swing from
Mark Richards ball bag but they HATE Bill Beleichick !! They say beleichick is arrogant !!! Have you met mark Richards ????

[jo73]

Mark Richards wanted to toss us because we walked in the garage door and the car was sitting there on scales. Legend is correct, with his personality I don't know how the hell he does it. By the way, 350 cars last year.... His buying power on steel products and aluminum sheet has to be huge.

[lrnvlFan1w]

Mark is arrogant but he has a group of people around him who are not.

Steve Baker for one has to be one of the people that draws people to Rocket. I have spoken to him several times and he has been personable each time. Josh and Matt also seem to be personable.

Sometimes the best businessman is he surrounds himself with people who makeup for his shortcomings.

I also agree that both Bloomquist and Moyer if they wanted to could market there chassis and sell boat loads if they wanted to.

[Express Man]

I have to say Mark has never been anything but nice to me!  It might have something to do with the fact I owned one of the first hundred cars they built!  But I usually deal with Baker!  He is a country gentleman!  No doubt!  But no bad word for Mark Richards from me!