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[Foz20J]

10 Bob. C33, 28Y, 948, 27, 11, 7E, 31, 10, 35, 5. That's not on a weekly basis. Some of them only have raced a few times this year.

And to the unnamed person who called my phone this morning trying to persuade me into meeting with you to discuss me running a crate engine and racing next season at Lernerville, I will NOT be racing a crate engine now or ever in the 20J. I can find better things to do with my time and money. I will NOT be bought or persuaded. I've given 10 years of racing to that track and I hope I've given everybody who's attended something to cheer for. The 20J has officially retired from compettiton at Lernerville and most likely for good. This isn't the future of racing and I won't support it either.

Edited by Foz20J, 31 August 2015 - 11:36 AM.

[The Legend]

Everyone bend over and grab their ankles !!!! The rush hog is coming in !!

[4FUN]

10 Bob. C33, 28Y, 948, 27, 11, 7E, 31, 10, 35, 5. That's not on a weekly basis. Some of them only have raced a few times this year.

And to the unnamed person who called my phone this morning trying to persuade me into meeting with you to discuss me running a crate engine and racing next season at Lernerville, I will NOT be racing a crate engine now or ever in the 20J. I can find better things to do with my time and money. I will NOT be bought or persuaded. I've given 10 years of racing to that track and I hope I've given everybody who's attended something to cheer for. The 20J has officially retired from compettiton at Lernerville and most likely for good. This isn't the future of racing and I won't support it either.

Wow....

 

JIM... stick to your guns...

It sounds like the crate gods are getting nervous that car count is going is not what they where hoping for...

Edited by 4FUN, 31 August 2015 - 12:58 PM.

[Foz20J]

I'm Jim, not Jason. Thanks. Obviously my money or what I've brought to the division didn't mean much. Racing isn't my life. I'll find better things to do. I hope the reaction that this person got from me was what they wanted just so they can point out my shortcomings as a Christian for losing my cool and getting emotional. Things will work out the way they are suppose to. God has a plan for me and maybe racing there isn't one of them.

[greencar55]

I was offered a 604 to use by a frend with an asphalt car. No I'm never going to run that bs in my car

[mark32stock]

I actually did a little research on this very subject,  On average, at least as of 2 weeks ago, the average was 5.3 crate cars each night with a high of 7 and a low of 4.  Considering the average car count this year has been just over 20 (down 3 from 2014 mostly as a result of the initial announcement)about  75% of the cars on the track each week DO NOT have a crate engine and 77% of the 30 cars that have appeared at the speedway in 2015 DO NOT have crate engines.

 

Considering that the crate engines won about half the races and the championship they seem to be competitive enough on their own. If the crate engine is the most cost effective way for someone to get into the class I don't have a problem with allowing it as an option. I don't understand why it is necessary to force the other 75% into the crate engine package.  The crate engine not only doesn't save me a dime it would likely cost me $10,000+ (assuming racing transmissions are also legal now) but I was "way off" with my figures when I brought that up.

 

I am sure that some guys will buy crate engines over the winter to continue racing at Lernerville but how many seems like a pretty big gamble on the class with the highest weekly car count and lowest weekly payout.

 

Great, NOT CRATE, racing for all.

 

Mark Sanders

[old man d]

Foz20J I couldn"t agree with you more. I have always liked the sportsmans. After all these years with good car counts and great racing WHY change it. Come on Lernerville  what is your real agenda. Jason, i"m sure PPMS or other tracks would like you to race at their tracks. 

[mark32stock]

Looks like I missed a couple being away most of this year but the fact remains that more than half the class is being force to buy crate engines if they want to continue racing at Lernerville.

 

Based on 10 crates cars appearing 2/3 of the cars DO NOT have crate engines.

[Foz20J]

Great post Mark. I did pretty much the same research but minus the percentages. It is a huge gamble for them but money talks is all I can come up with. It isn't cost-effective and it doesn't suit everybody. That's why it should only be an option. And for them to be raffling off engines and offering to give some away to keep car counts higher just goes to show that they don't have faith that it will work. I've spoke my peace, done my research, and we even have had talks with management getting them our facts about crate engines but as I have previously stated, money talks.

JIM FOSNAUGHT 20J

Edited by Foz20J, 31 August 2015 - 12:54 PM.

[bmcdonald25]

Earl bauman is family to me my family has had atleast one employee working there since day one including my cousin Barb and Tom who ran the track for a few seasons I even worked there when I was younger parking cars and answering phones and working in my aunt graces t shirt stand as long as I can remember my family has been there including going to support me over the last ten years I have been racing there its a shame that they are gunna force us out with this new rule but unfortunately at this time unless we are one of the fortunate ones to win a raffled off motor we will not be able to support lernerville next year either i can't say enough about the awesome fans and competitors who have turned into friends over the last 10 years I wish you all the best in what ever you decide to do in the future
Brett

Edited by bmcdonald25, 31 August 2015 - 01:58 PM.

[Foz20J]

Somebody could offer me one or I could win one and it wouldnt make A difference to me. I don't support the decision nor do I want to run my car with a crate engine. It's the WRG mentality. It's either take it or leave it. It is a shame that people are actually following along with it. I love racing just as much as the next person but I would rather give up racing than be forced to do something I don't believe in.

[29B]

99% sure I will not be back next year. My car is too old, too heavy and set up for a automatic transmission. It would be even less competitive with a crate motor. Like some of the other racers I can afford to run what I have but with this crate rule I can not afford to buy a crate engine, a updated chassis and a Bert or Brinn  transmission set up.  If I do race next year I guess it will have to be at Mercer.       29B.

[greencar55]

This thread was started for a fun time but I think we shod let the 9 crate's go try to keep up with the c33 & see how fun that is.

[Foz20J]

I agree with Bob. We'll see how great the racing will be and how many guys actually stick around when one car dominates. Look what he does against open engines and better competition.

Edited by Foz20J, 31 August 2015 - 03:35 PM.

[RmiT]

99% sure I will not be back next year. My car is too old, too heavy and set up for a automatic transmission. It would be even less competitive with a crate motor. Like some of the other racers I can afford to run what I have but with this crate rule I can not afford to buy a crate engine, a updated chassis and a Bert or Brinn  transmission set up.  If I do race next year I guess it will have to be at Mercer.       29B.

Good Luck with that... Vicki (RUSH) already has influence there... If Lernerville falls, so will Mercer.

[jo73]

It has caused us to step back and not purchase a car. We have looked at 2 local cars and were ready to pull the trigger when word got out about them adding this stupid stupid rule.

We did a lot of research on these crate anchors. If anyone thinks if you line up 5 of these motors and they all perform the same your touching yourself.

Your cost after all the added crap that has to work with the motor is easy going to be 13 to 15 grand.

Carbs. Jets, Power boosters, Plugs, Valve lash, Timing. All of these factors can and will have a outcome on each individual motor. I don't care what any of these throttle jockeys tell you. What ! You think other anchor owners are going to offer this info up. I don't think so.

Someone, Rush, Sweeney, Lernerville or Gary has a agenda. Giving away motors. Come on. Somebody is paying for them. That, and I would like to no who or where are these free to use motors are coming from. There's nothing free in life.

Get all the guys signatures on a pc. of paper protesting this stupid rule and present it to both Thompsons and Risch.

The sportsman guy's have been getting screwed over for to long. Good car counts, great racing and the shaft. Makes great sense.

[Foz20J]

Already had every signature from every driver and car owner who compete in the division along with all the info to show what these engines will really cost. On top of that gave them years of knowledge about the cars and the division. It didn't do any good bc the influence from the source of this all was greater than actual facts that were given.

[bezerker]

I am not quite sure why Gary feels this class needs saving?

Maybe if the rules were enforced  for everyone this class wouldnt be so out of hand.

By Lernerville allowing cars to run this motor before it was legal was the starting point of this class to spiral out of control.

You have Tech people let them do their job, Gary, and stay out of it.

Foz20J you knew when this motor was allowed to run ( in the 55 last year ) with you guys and at that time you should have rallied together and refused to run with him and maybe Gary would have gotten the message!

When it is stated that it will save you money, it never does. It always costs more in the end.

Its what the track will make on the deal. Who is going to rebuild these motors? Are they even sealed? Can you rebuild your own motor? Can you run your own carb? These are a few things that will spiral things out of control all over again, but it is at a higher cost to stay competitive.

Edited by bezerker, 31 August 2015 - 05:50 PM.

[hammer time]

Well I agree with the 20j and green car55 that c33 car is no way legal if he is that good he should at least weigh the same as every one else.And from what I herd when they did check him he was told a week ahead that they were going to do it is that true and I THINK MARION CENTER would welcome you guys with open arms

[Foz20J]

The introduction of the crate engine was in 2010 and it was a 602 that was ran in the 55 car. Dwight Boice also ran one. The 604 was introduced in 2013 and was ran in the C33. It was the first time an aluminum headed engine was allowed in a stock car in all of the years I was involved. At the time not much was known about the engine and the "open" cars with engine setbacks had to add 50 lbs to the front of there cars to give the crate engine an advantage. The championship was won that year by that very car. After that a few guys switched over to the 604. Still not very many and it was left an option. Last year and this year proved that the class was still very competitive with races being won by both open and crate engines even with the 50 lbs that had to be bolted on the front of "open" engine cars.