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[D1RT]

I like the way some on here looks at the big picture. The way i see it when your dealing with the way tracks are run a lot comes into the fray. Yes, the way some promoters run their track leaves us shaking our heads. I also understand rules are to be made and enforced. But, what i don"t understand is why we have tire rules for one track and not the same for another track. It"s not that hard to do just work together. You promoters have to remember this is a week-end sport with hard working people that love to race and giving the fans a good car count which in turn brings good racing. My point is work together and keep it simple. Trust me it is not that hard. Just my take.

 

It's pretty simple really. XYZ tire company comes in and says hey Mr Promoter we'll give you X thousands of dollars and pay the point fund for your top division/s if you make us your track tire. Mr Promoter would be a fool to turn down that kind of money........

Then Mr Promoter at ABC Speedway gets ticked off that XYZ tire company didn't make him an offer because he thinks he deserves it more than the other speedway so he says i'll fix him and he makes his rules to where "his" cars are locked into running his track only.

I'v been going to the races since the mid-60's and in 50+ years there has only been one promoter IMO that got it right around here and that was Don Martin. 

[old man d]

D1RT , yeah i kind of thought that $$$ rules. When i drove we had tires you could race at pretty much anywhere that was  late very late 60"s and 70"s. If i can remember we used M&H or close to that! Don Martin was the best in my OP also. Do they still have work shops for promoters in Florida in the off season.

[jo73]

you guys have to remember, Don Martin ventured to other tracks on Saturday and Sunday nights. He made it a point to stop and talk to driver's and car owners week in and week out. He helped many a driver in need. He along with those drivers and owners of yester year and there stories made lernerville what it is today. I strongly believe lernerville's reputation, which was built years ago, still has a lot to do with what carries the track today. 6 division racing, nobody thought that was ever going to work. I donated my time at a center for challenged individuals many years ago. I went up to ask Don Martin if I could purchase tickets at a discounted rate and a  confined seating area. He had me explain the situation about these people. His reply. I'll have a bus come and get them. I'll have food and drink for everyone of them. I stepped back and said I could get the ticket cost covered but none of these extra's. He looked back and told me, I don't expect you to, I'll cover all expense's. Find me another man that would offer that. I doubt if there will ever be another promotor like him... 

[LM RACING]

The family tried to follow suit. I remember we were scored wrong one night in 2004 and I went up and asked why. They said it was an error and they were sorry but it happens. The following week one of them was waiting for us to pull in pit road and covered my whole crews pit pass that night.

[FanJim24]

 

It's pretty simple really. XYZ tire company comes in and says hey Mr Promoter we'll give you X thousands of dollars and pay the point fund for your top division/s if you make us your track tire. Mr Promoter would be a fool to turn down that kind of money........

Then Mr Promoter at ABC Speedway gets ticked off that XYZ tire company didn't make him an offer because he thinks he deserves it more than the other speedway so he says i'll fix him and he makes his rules to where "his" cars are locked into running his track only.

I'v been going to the races since the mid-60's and in 50+ years there has only been one promoter IMO that got it right around here and that was Don Martin. 

I hope that tire kickback is enough to keep the tracks open when even Lernerville can't pull in enough late models to field a feature, and the seats start emptying out.  Even the sportsman class is follow the leader and crash the car in front of you.  

Funny thing, Zambotti and Egley drive like flinner and kelly and they get a black flag, but flinner and kelly get a welcome mat.  

[jo73]

that's what crate racing gives you. it's close follow the leader racing and if you get the chance to get a nose around a guy you don't lift and crashes happen. from the stands it looks great. from the drivers seat I got to believe its frustrating as hell. JMO

[94.3-RADRACER]

first off, when the track is good at lernerville[slick top to bottom], the lm crates race 3 wide around there. why the low lm counts? because i hear guys are just tired of slide jobs to pass. track is to fast, and top dominant......not from me either.....

[Hot Dog]

first off, when the track is good at lernerville[slick top to bottom], the lm crates race 3 wide around there. why the low lm counts? because i hear guys are just tired of slide jobs to pass. track is to fast, and top dominant......not from me either.....

Get ready, the dorks are coming for you.....

[flash49]

Most of the Crate racing I have seen in the past few years has been anything BUT follow the leader.  

Edited by flash49, 06 August 2016 - 11:43 AM.

[DarwinsBeagle]

Get ready, the dorks are coming for you.....

 

I do not get you guys.  You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.  Every day, people bitch on this and other forums about trick ultra adjustable shocks, tire doping, data recorders, costs of lightweight components, etc., etc.  What track conditions are all of those components used on?  Yep - slicked off top to bottom (or more commonly, a dusty dry slick hellhole seems to be all the rage).  And you still need to spend money on an engine anyway.

 

A heavier track negates all of that stuff.  

 

So call me whatever you need to in order to sleep better at night.

[Hot Dog]

I don't bitch about any of that stuff, it's all cumulatively way cheaper than smoking a 40,000 motor on a heavy piece of shit with an 8 foot cushion. Not to mention you're junking shocks (whether they're the cheap ones or not) among many other components when some asshole gets frustrated and throws a shitty slide job because everyone is in one line around the top.

Edited by Hot Dog, 06 August 2016 - 03:57 PM.

[DarwinsBeagle]

Then go crate racing.

[Hot Dog]

Then go crate racing.

No we just choose to go elsewhere, like the late model guys apparently did last night.

[Hot Dog]

Roll out a car with a hammer motor but heavy components everywhere else and cheap shocks on that heavy and see how you do. I'll tell you, you're gonna be getting lapped.

[DarwinsBeagle]

Why does tacky somehow equal a narrow, heavy piece of shit with an 8 foot cushion?  Some of the best late model racing I have ever seen was the odd night when Stateline had a heavy track and the cushion was rolled right up to the wall by the end of the night.  Guys were running ridiculous high, ridiculous low and every inch in between.  Why is this bad?  If you want to slow down, racing isn't for you.  The most fun I ever had in my life was racing on a heavy track.

 

Speaking of going elsewhere, my racetrack attending continues to dwindle to a ghost of what it once was.  I am tired of breathing in the dust, rubber, chemicals and petroleum products that are generated from the conditions you seem to like.  Mind you, that does not attract new or casual fans either.

[Hot Dog]

Have you been to Lernerville? It hasn't been tacky, it's been one lane around the top on a 8 foot cushion.

[Hot Dog]

If you polled the pits, the majority of teams would say they want slick to a small cushion on top about 1.5-2 seconds off the track record. It makes it multi grooved and you can pass without hammering your shit.

[DarwinsBeagle]

Lazy track prep.  It is endemic with today's racing.

[DarwinsBeagle]

Listen, I get it, but there is a bigger picture.  You also can not let the inmates run the asylum.  Racers are their own worst enemy and have their own interests in mind - not the health of dirt track racing in general.

 

I go to several different tracks in any given season (used to anyway), and letting racers dictate track conditions has ruined NE modified racing from an overall health of the sport perspective. The modified guys want it dry slick. The track operators oblige because it is way easier to prep the track that way. What this produces is a 5 hour outing for the fan where he/she is covered in dust and has inhaled enough carcinogens to shorten his/her life by 2 decades. This is not good for the sport and a look in the stands, even at Lernerville, shows this. I get that this is not the only reason for the decline of dirt track racing, but rest assured that the top 2 reasons for a new fan or a casual fan to not return are: (1) dust, (2) long, drawn-out programs where they inhale the dust the whole time. I am as hardcore as it gets and if I am losing interest because of the direction of things, trust me, the Fast and Furious watching, Ugg Boots wearing toolbag is not going to bring his family and money either.

 

If there is no front gate, you end up with the backgate shit shows that are common now and everyone hates.

 

Pick your poison. 

[BaconBits]

Lazy track prep.  It is endemic with today's racing.

Says the moron who knows nothing about track prep.