Now lets be fair! If you want the crates, run on the tire rule thats hurting the supers! You will have a similar situation! Crates are not the answer, protesting and leaving is also not the answer! Communication is whats needed here and compromise by all sides. If we want Lernerville to survive we have to work together.
Michael Norris, Rex King Jr. & Sye Lynch Winners Tonight at Lernerville
Started by flash49, May 17 2019 09:58 PM
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#21
Posted 18 May 2019 - 04:54 PM
#22
Posted 18 May 2019 - 06:09 PM
And they pay them peanuts too.That's because they also have to pay another top division, the BB Mods. The total purse at Lernerville per night is very competitive.
Port Royal just to win the 410 and LM is $3600 and $2000.
The Grove pays the winner $3880.
I'm betting the total purse for the 410's at either track is close to double what Lernerville pays either of the "not so Big 3" total purse.
Not to mention their point funds too....
#23
Posted 18 May 2019 - 07:18 PM
And they pay them peanuts too.
Port Royal just to win the 410 and LM is $3600 and $2000.
The Grove pays the winner $3880.
I'm betting the total purse for the 410's at either track is close to double what Lernerville pays either of the "not so Big 3" total purse.
Not to mention their point funds too....
Everyone wants to compare lernerville to tracks outside of western pa, but forget that lernerville is on par with western pa weekly purses. They dont have big time ownership or fair boards to help out.
#24
Posted 18 May 2019 - 07:19 PM
And they pay them peanuts too.
Port Royal just to win the 410 and LM is $3600 and $2000.
The Grove pays the winner $3880.
I'm betting the total purse for the 410's at either track is close to double what Lernerville pays either of the "not so Big 3" total purse.
Not to mention their point funds too....
Another thing you''re missing, those Central PA tracks have big time sponsors who help with the weekly payout. A benefit of being out in the middle of nowhere. Most of the big time sponsors in our area support professional sports teams, not local racing.
#25
Posted 18 May 2019 - 07:20 PM
What if instead of the sponsors sponsoring a division , maybe put that money into the class purses.
#26
Posted 18 May 2019 - 09:41 PM
Correct!! Lernerville has a "problem" that other racks don't have, they have many fans that come so they can see all three top classes, but also many that might stop coming if one of the classes was dropped to raise the purse for the other two. Sort of between a rock and a hard place!! Most of you know that there are many Sprint Car fans who wouldn't walk across the street to see a Late Model race and there are Late Model fans that feel the same way about the Sprint Cars. Both seem to "accept" the big block Modifieds. Western PA is sort of in the unique position as being about the only area in the country that has all three running weekly at several tracks.
GOOD RACING!!!
Walt
I agree Walt. Cut a division: lose gate and sponsor money, keep them all: lose money on payouts that need increasing. They really are between a rock and a hard place. I don't understand that division loyalty. There's good racing in all of them.
Edited by FanJim24, 18 May 2019 - 09:42 PM.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#27
Posted 18 May 2019 - 10:56 PM
FanJim24.....Me too!!! I like 'em all!!! I tend to lean a bit to the open wheel cars, but an all fender program is fine with me as well!!
GOOD RACING!!!
Walt
#28
Posted 19 May 2019 - 08:18 AM
FanJim24.....Me too!!! I like 'em all!!! I tend to lean a bit to the open wheel cars, but an all fender program is fine with me as well!!
GOOD RACING!!!
Walt
In a perfect world I would love to see Lernerville keep all divisions, pay everyone more, and go back to open stocks. It's an imperfect world, and something may have to give.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#29
Posted 19 May 2019 - 12:22 PM
The Firecracker cant just switch to a Lucas race. Ill leave it at that. And its not like the Lucas tire rule is going to make any more local cars show up. Its just as restrictive and expensive as the UMP rule.
And an open tire rule isnt going to make cars simply appear, the tracks that so run an open tire rule arent really doing any better than Lernerville with car counts. The issue is weekly headline class racing is on the decline because there are higher paying specials within a couple hours literally every weekend during the season.
And an open tire rule isnt going to make cars simply appear, the tracks that so run an open tire rule arent really doing any better than Lernerville with car counts. The issue is weekly headline class racing is on the decline because there are higher paying specials within a couple hours literally every weekend during the season.
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#30
Posted 19 May 2019 - 12:49 PM
The Firecracker cant just switch to a Lucas race. Ill leave it at that. And its not like the Lucas tire rule is going to make any more local cars show up. Its just as restrictive and expensive as the UMP rule.
And an open tire rule isnt going to make cars simply appear, the tracks that so run an open tire rule arent really doing any better than Lernerville with car counts. The issue is weekly headline class racing is on the decline because there are higher paying specials within a couple hours literally every weekend during the season.
But will Lucas dictate the tires for the weekly events? Moving to Lucas would likely remove the weekly dictate from an organization that no longer owns the track.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#31
Posted 19 May 2019 - 12:58 PM
But will Lucas dictate the tires for the weekly events? Moving to Lucas would likely remove the weekly dictate from an organization that no longer owns the track.
No, it wouldnt affect the weekly tire rule, but it would require one to buy a huge pile of tires to run the Lucas race, meaning it would likely end up with even less local support than the current one does.
And you people really dont understand that open tire tracks in western PA arent doing any better than Lernerville for cars.
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#32
Posted 19 May 2019 - 01:06 PM
No, it wouldnt affect the weekly tire rule, but it would require one to buy a huge pile of tires to run the Lucas race, meaning it would likely end up with even less local support than the current one does.
And you people really dont understand that open tire tracks in western PA arent doing any better than Lernerville for cars.
Other tracks aren't Lernerville. Lernerville is in the same conversation as the other well-known tracks in the country. There are guys who've driven Lernerville, who have no idea that Indiana PA exists, let alone that there are race tracks near there. Mercer suffered from an owner that lost the fire, and Pittsburgh has been in severe decline since the last century.
Just because car counts are low at Yellow Creek doesn't mean they would be low at Lernerville, if Lernerville was less exclusive.
It's not that I don't get it, it's that I understand what you're saying and don't agree.
Edited by FanJim24, 19 May 2019 - 01:14 PM.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#33
Posted 19 May 2019 - 01:46 PM
Other tracks aren't Lernerville. Lernerville is in the same conversation as the other well-known tracks in the country. There are guys who've driven Lernerville, who have no idea that Indiana PA exists, let alone that there are race tracks near there. Mercer suffered from an owner that lost the fire, and Pittsburgh has been in severe decline since the last century.
Just because car counts are low at Yellow Creek doesn't mean they would be low at Lernerville, if Lernerville was less exclusive.
It's not that I don't get it, it's that I understand what you're saying and don't agree.
Move them goalposts all you want, it just delegitimizes your points.
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#34
Posted 19 May 2019 - 01:50 PM
With the exception of Stateline, which had a full 24 car field for the main, no track I have results for so far this weekend had more than 13 Late Models!!! They were all at only 11 to 13 cars!! NOT GOOD!!!
GOOD RACINT TO ALL!!
Walt
#35
Posted 19 May 2019 - 01:54 PM
Move them goalposts all you want, it just delegitimizes your points.
I'm not moving goal posts. I'm also not comparing a top track in the country to tracks that people from the county they're in don't even go to.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#36
Posted 19 May 2019 - 04:52 PM
The Firecracker cant just switch to a Lucas race. Ill leave it at that. And its not like the Lucas tire rule is going to make any more local cars show up. Its just as restrictive and expensive as the UMP rule.
And an open tire rule isnt going to make cars simply appear, the tracks that so run an open tire rule arent really doing any better than Lernerville with car counts. The issue is weekly headline class racing is on the decline because there are higher paying specials within a couple hours literally every weekend during the season.
Why dont you just share what you know rather some semi-cryptic Ill leave it at that. ? But ok.
I was told the series does, in fact, want The Firecracker, inquired with the new ownership, and were turned down due to the long standing affiliation with Dirt and the affect it would have on The Silver Cup. So yes, they very well just could switch the sanction body of The Firecracker if they wanted to, but the repercussions of such would be pretty big.
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#37
Posted 19 May 2019 - 08:14 PM
Stateline, Raceway 7 and yes I know they are running crates, Eriez have no trouble pulling full fields
#38
Posted 19 May 2019 - 09:13 PM
Why dont you just share what you know rather some semi-cryptic Ill leave it at that. ? But ok.
I was told the series does, in fact, want The Firecracker, inquired with the new ownership, and were turned down due to the long standing affiliation with Dirt and the affect it would have on The Silver Cup. So yes, they very well just could switch the sanction body of The Firecracker if they wanted to, but the repercussions of such would be pretty big.
I asked Lucas Oil officials at Sharon a couple years ago about comin to Lernerville and they said they wanted a date but was told no because of a clause that WRG had when they sold Lernerville. BaconBits called me a liar. Why they cant have Lucas and WoO when other track can is bs.
#39
Posted 19 May 2019 - 09:25 PM
If you compare their 410 and LM purse across the country they are mid-pack at best.
But you can't just compare those two divisions. They don't exist in a vacuum. They are part of the total payout. That's why they're saying look at the payout from all the divisions.
#40
Posted 19 May 2019 - 09:29 PM
What percentage did the raise the fan admission cost?
answer: 20%
I don't mind the raised admission cost and they could do more, but dang it give some of it to the racers.
Looks like Big Blocks have been pushed out of Sharon and all they need to do is push them out of Lernerville and RUSH will have the whole local big block type car all to itself.
No support class sales pitch to fans anymore it's looking more and more like a take over. Stocks are strong so switch gears and go after the weakest.
Maybe you're using that new common core math, but a $1 increase from $14 to $15 is not 20%.
You are right that Sharon has increased their payout by cutting from two headlining divisions a couple of years ago to one per week, alternating Sprints and Big Blocks. Lernerville could do the same, but like others have said, if you cut one, you also cut 1/4 to 1/3 of your fanbase. Hell, some tracks are running without even a weekly headlining division. Do you want another backgate track or do you want the only place that has all three on a weekly basis? I want to see all three!
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