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#41 FanJim24

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Posted 10 May 2021 - 05:38 PM

Thumbs up to this post Jim,  You are spot on if the topic is Racing!!!   But there is a lot that goes with it.  The more money you pay the more the big money cars are gonna want to start upfront via qualifying and that is a part of the problem.  But not all crate races are sleepers.  I've seen some good ones at PPMS.  And like it or not the crate pro stock class at L'ville was very competitive but they never lined them up fastest in front.  Format and track prep are the key.  As a promoter, If you are gonna bow down to sanctioning bodies to get big names and larger car counts the racing will suffer(sometimes).  Maybe we're just old school Jim,  in our definition of Racing.

Thanks Hans. I do disagree about the crate pro stocks being competitive, and it would have been far more pronounced if the fast cars would have started up front. Most nights McPherson, Dietz and Zambotti finished 1 2 3, depending on where they started relative to each other, and most passes were made within a lap of the start or restarts. Compare that to many years prior to the crate mandate. Even sponsors of cars in the division would leave the track before the end of the features, during the Rush sanctioning years, because the race was basically decided by lap 5, (and I'm being generous). And now a home-built car in the stock class would be like running a gremlin modified against the Dirt Big Blocks. That was probably inevitable, but it still bothers me. 


Edited by FanJim24, 10 May 2021 - 05:42 PM.


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Posted 10 May 2021 - 09:28 PM

Correct sir. Less than 16 its $300. 16-23 is $400. 24 and up is $500. To Flashs point I really dont know how Latrobe pays $500 to win for single digit cars on most occasions but you gotta admire that.


I'm sure they are using sponsorship dollars and such to help fund the purses. Not just sticking it in their pocket??


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Posted 10 May 2021 - 11:01 PM

I'm sure they are using sponsorship dollars and such to help fund the purses. Not just sticking it in their pocket??


Perhaps. But not having enough back gate to support the purse is not a long term viable business model. I hear their crowds are good so Im not suggesting they are losing money by any means. But $2,000 to win shows that bring 9 cars and $500 to win weekly races that get less than 10 cars is not desirable Im sure.


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Posted 11 May 2021 - 09:58 AM

Perhaps. But not having enough back gate to support the purse is not a long term viable business model. I hear their crowds are good so Im not suggesting they are losing money by any means. But $2,000 to win shows that bring 9 cars and $500 to win weekly races that get less than 10 cars is not desirable Im sure.

If they're funding the purse through the back gate, and I know that's how it's done, doesn't that mean that teams can only make what they themselves pay in? Kind of a robbing Peter to pay Paul scenario. 


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Posted 11 May 2021 - 12:59 PM

If they're funding the purse through the back gate, and I know that's how it's done, doesn't that mean that teams can only make what they themselves pay in? Kind of a robbing Peter to pay Paul scenario. 


Well, ideally youd have enough back gate to at least cover your purse. So a staggered purse (love it or hate it) like PPMS does protects the track from running negative on the back gate and surviving off sponsors long term. Its happened to me at the Knob where after hot laps they told us the emods only had 12 cars I think for the king of the knob at a $1000 to win. So they said take $700 or load up lol. Of course I won that night which is kind of funny but you get my point. Doesnt have to be a penny for penny match but obviously more cars than the purse pays is ideal.


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Posted 11 May 2021 - 08:30 PM

Well, ideally youd have enough back gate to at least cover your purse. So a staggered purse (love it or hate it) like PPMS does protects the track from running negative on the back gate and surviving off sponsors long term. Its happened to me at the Knob where after hot laps they told us the emods only had 12 cars I think for the king of the knob at a $1000 to win. So they said take $700 or load up lol. Of course I won that night which is kind of funny but you get my point. Doesnt have to be a penny for penny match but obviously more cars than the purse pays is ideal.


I am a big fan of the structured purse depending on how many cars at tracks..It gives us an idea of what we are racing for on an average night with the amount of course that normally show up.





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