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#41 dirtguy200948

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:35 PM

Holy shit is this for real? Hahaha


Owners should focus on running their business and racestudders should focus on racestud :lol:


 

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 10:10 PM

Not wanting someone to come on here and act like a jackass making outrageous and false statements about your place of business is one thing. Stating that people have no one has the right to criticize the price of concessions, the lighting issues from a few weeks ago, the track surface or the track officiating unless PPMS has the right to tag you, fingerprint you, photograph you shaking hands with Matt Miley while having your name, address, telephone number, social security number and mother's maiden name placed on Racestud by Miley Motorsports is just as ridiculous. PPMS has had a pretty positive season and are doing good things there, but no track is perfect, and some criticisms are justified and worth pointing out. That the ownership there is so thin skinned that they will not only will not accept anonymous criticism even when it is spoken in a justified concise manner, but also said criticism is dismissed as someone hiding behind a screen name, merely causing trouble and are goaded by Matt Miley to reveal themselves. Case in point, Scruffy made a perfectly rational observation a few weeks ago that perhaps the price of concessions were too high. He did not at any point cross the line, yet rarely a week goes by that Mr Miley basically calls scruffy a coward for not showing his face at the speedway. I have no qualms or issues with PPMS, I'm just intrigued and confused by this strange business practice, and have a hard time believing that a seemingly competent business man can be this thin skinned. No worries Matt, I will gladly pay my own way in, especially since it means I can criticize things when they're warranted and as I see fit, and Lord knows I can afford it.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 10:33 PM

Freedom of speech. I hope your joking.



I totally agree with You, unless it's slander and what is being said is un true, and u don't agree to these rules ppms is sol

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:02 PM

Not wanting someone to come on here and act like a jackass making outrageous and false statements about your place of business is one thing.

Stating that people have no one has the right to criticize the price of concessions, the lighting issues from a few weeks ago, the track surface or the track officiating unless PPMS has the right to tag you, fingerprint you, photograph you shaking hands with Matt Miley while having your name, address, telephone number, social security number and mother's maiden name placed on Racestud by Miley Motorsports is just as ridiculous.

PPMS has had a pretty positive season and are doing good things there, but no track is perfect, and some criticisms are justified and worth pointing out. That the ownership there is so thin skinned that they will not only will not accept anonymous criticism even when it is spoken in a justified concise manner, but also said criticism is dismissed as someone hiding behind a screen name, merely causing trouble and are goaded by Matt Miley to reveal themselves.

Case in point, Scruffy made a perfectly rational observation a few weeks ago that perhaps the price of concessions were too high. He did not at any point cross the line, yet rarely a week goes by that Mr Miley basically calls scruffy a coward for not showing his face at the speedway.

I have no qualms or issues with PPMS, I'm just intrigued and confused by this strange business practice, and have a hard time believing that a seemingly competent business man can be this thin skinned.

No worries Matt, I will gladly pay my own way in, especially since it means I can criticize things when they're warranted and as I see fit, and Lord knows I can afford it.



You my friend, along with the other people on here complaining about this are missing the point. If you have an opinion on the food or something as miniscule as that, it is not going to get you into trouble. But when you start making threats, seriously unnecessary remarks and insults, and things to that nature to either a fellow competitor or the owners themselves, thats when you get into trouble.

Racing is all about coming together as a whole with differences of opinions, driving styles, experience levels and more, but in the end it is still supposed to be a family. It all shows from the whole Cowboy incident and other racing accidents, everyone comes together. There are some bad seeds on here and other places that bring this notion down to the ground, and that isnt what is needed at a tough time like now for all local tracks. I find nothing wrong with this new rule being implemented, and if you do, then well you are probably one of the bad seeds that do not have anything good to say ever and just use 10th grade insults to make a point.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:07 PM

I've been on this board for 10 years now, but post much more infrequently these days. This place used to be fun, people would actually discuss racing and what went on at the weekly bull rings. Sure there was controversy, two people seeing the same racing incident, based on their own prejudices, preconceptions, and loyalties, will always have different ideas on what really happened. The discussion often got heated, but there were rarely any slanderous comments or things I would be embarrassed to have my kids read. Nowadays, everyone wants to be a smart-ass wise guy or just plain asshole.

The only reason these policies even have to be considered is because lots of "adults" don't know how to police their own comments and behavior. In days gone by, there were many occasions where the racestudders got together and introduced each other, and chatted up a storm about our favorite pasttime, auto racing. I have met lots of great racing friends from my association with this forum. But based on the inane, sarcastic, and downright libellous comments that seem to be the norm these days, I'm not so sure I ever want to meet some of you folks.

I get tired of the same old "freedom of speech" argument that is so misconstrued by so many of you. While you may not be put in jail for unpopular speech, such speech has consequences. Would any of you attend one of Pastor Beck's services and start interrupting his sermon, while shouting obscenities, and not expect to be removed from the premisis? Of course not. If such comments are going to be detrimental to a business, does the business owner just have to suck it up? Of course not. A little bit of restraint goes a long way, I hope some of you (a vocal minority) might take the hint.



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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:24 PM

I've been on this board for 10 years now, but post much more infrequently these days. This place used to be fun, people would actually discuss racing and what went on at the weekly bull rings. Sure there was controversy, two people seeing the same racing incident, based on their own prejudices, preconceptions, and loyalties, will always have different ideas on what really happened. The discussion often got heated, but there were rarely any slanderous comments or things I would be embarrassed to have my kids read. Nowadays, everyone wants to be a smart-ass wise guy or just plain asshole.

The only reason these policies even have to be considered is because lots of "adults" don't know how to police their own comments and behavior. In days gone by, there were many occasions where the racestudders got together and introduced each other, and chatted up a storm about our favorite pasttime, auto racing. I have met lots of great racing friends from my association with this forum. But based on the inane, sarcastic, and downright libellous comments that seem to be the norm these days, I'm not so sure I ever want to meet some of you folks.

I get tired of the same old "freedom of speech" argument that is so misconstrued by so many of you. While you may not be put in jail for unpopular speech, such speech has consequences. Would any of you attend one of Pastor Beck's services and start interrupting his sermon, while shouting obscenities, and not expect to be removed from the premisis? Of course not. If such comments are going to be detrimental to a business, does the business owner just have to suck it up? Of course not. A little bit of restraint goes a long way, I hope some of you (a vocal minority) might take the hint.



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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:09 AM

Dont know if any of you listened to Rappin on Racin tonight, but their observations are basically what the majority of people involved in the Sport feel about Racestud. No one.... not one Racestud user took up Matt Mileys offer to come out from behind their veil of secrecy and enjoy a night at PPMS on him. Surprise... surprise!!!! Yet these nitwits continually bash his track. Heres a little bit of advice - if you dont like his track, DONT GO TO IT! I'm sure he wont cry about losing your admittance fee. Lets face it, its easy to criticise when you're hiding behind a ficticious name, but you need to man up and grow some balls to do it when people know and recognise you. Its sad that a few smartarses whose achievements in the sport wouldn't fill the back of a postage stamp, have such a negative impact on the sport via their constant criticism. Personally, I believe the Moderators here at Racestud are partly responsible. They should be booting these smartarses and constant critics out and maintaining the credibility of Racestud as something other than a detriment to the Sport. BTW, is this place actually moderated? I generally dont comment much on here other than promoting the PA Vintage Dirt Modifieds and even then, I still have to deal with the negativity, sarcasm and crtitcism of the secret smartarse minority. I wont give them the satisfaction of a reply though..... they can get their rocks off some other way. Jim'Dingo'Kirkwood
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:13 AM

Another reason why i'll drive past PPMS to spend my money at another facility. Scott Scott, I do the exact same thing as you. I live 15 minutes from ppms but will drive 2 hrs for some real racing. I been to ppms once this year to watch the sprints. The place is a mess. They need to start having life flight in the infield for when someone snaps one of the bleacher boards and falls 30 feet. The stands are the originals from the OLD Heidelberg Race track. Oh and the 50/50 is always between 200 and $300 bucks. Normal saturday or the pgher!!! Go figure. Hope to see some of you at Lernerville Tuesday night for some real racing. I may even hit the 50/50 for $2000.......trying to top the $1900 I won at Sharon 50/50 two years ago....................................

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:25 AM

Dingo, it usually takes somebody asking for a post or thread to be removed, and backing that request with the threat of legal action or the threat of pulling ads off this site, for anything to be done. Other than that, posts or threads are not removed with the rare exception of a few posts that are blatantly tasteless. For the most part it's been Katie-bar-the-door here ever since Racestud's was created 12 years ago, although a small number of repeat offenders have been banned, in some cases repeatedly due to multiple usernames. What moderators there are around here are few in number and have other jobs and hobbies, so this joint isn't a high priority and offending posts may not get reviewed for hours after they are posted. I have to say, though, as somebody who has been here since the OH/PA board was moved to Racestud soon after its creation, that this place is actually much milder now IMO than it has ever been since its creation, and serious problems are much rarer than they used to be. Yes, PPMS seems to be one of the biggest targets, along with Lernerville, but this board is a lot milder and has a lot less bullshit posted on it than it ever has since I've been here, and most of the time now when somebody gets hammered on here, they asked for it. Matt would be a lot better off solving the problems that lead to negative postings and refraining from attempting to police people's internet activities except when provable lies are posted that cost him business.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:51 AM

Another reason why i'll drive past PPMS to spend my money at another facility.

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Scott, I do the exact same thing as you. I live 15 minutes from ppms but will drive 2 hrs for some real racing. I been to ppms once this year to watch the sprints. The place is a mess. They need to start having life flight in the infield for when someone snaps one of the bleacher boards and falls 30 feet. The stands are the originals from the OLD Heidelberg Race track. Oh and the 50/50 is always between 200 and $300 bucks. Normal saturday or the pgher!!! Go figure. Hope to see some of you at Lernerville Tuesday night for some real racing. I may even hit the 50/50 for $2000.......trying to top the $1900 I won at Sharon 50/50 two years ago....................................



Real racing? Where exactly is this real racing at? PPMS has had the best real racing ive seen yet from any racetrack ive been to so far, even Eldora. You're whole bleacher theory is the same one people were using 5years ago, and I have yet to hear of something like this happening. The bleachers are just as safe as anywhere around, lernerville has some unsafe ones (all that is is new paint), tyler county, hell I even saw a bad board at eldora. You are at a dirt track, you arent going to get aluminum seating. And so the 50/50 is 300 bucks, if you go and really want to make money by hitting the 50/50 or worry about just that, then you need a new hobby,also you do realize you are comparing a WORLD OF OUTLAW SPRINT CAR RACE worth 30,000, to a local night?

The night you were there they ran ONE race and it rained, how can you even count that? And yes Danny ran away with the feature, but he had his car hooked up and started up front, not much you can do about that...

Go for a whole night, then if you can still say it isnt real racing, go somewhere else, we don't need you anyways

Edited by dirtL8MdlFan21&11, 17 July 2012 - 02:06 AM.


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Posted 17 July 2012 - 05:48 AM

i have no no problem with you dan, just saying im pretty sure that if anybody bad mouthed there boss like he was you would be shit canned in an instant...so why let someone race and then pay them to talk shit about you and run you into the ground?

He's not your boss or mine. When I go I pay him.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 06:05 AM

I love when idiots make this their arguement...nobody said that you CAN'T speak freely. But what they're saying is that you aren't welcome at their establishment if you bash their business. If you walked into someone's house and started talking badly about them, you're not going to get arrested for it, but you're probably not going to be welcome back.

I think it's a good idea. I know that if I was thinking about going to PPMS, and I came on here and read some of these people's comments, I'd NEVER go there. But having been there, I know that the racing lately has been second to none, and it's actually being ran pretty well right now. So I agree with their policy.

No one is at anyone's house. Dick! How about this Anyone who is on race stud is not welcome there.Or anyone who races anywhere else will be banned. And it ends where? Ive got my ideas you have yours. Let's leave it at that. I personally like going there I think the racing is great.I don't think I've ever said anything against the track.But if I do it's because I want change. Let's just pretend you don't like Obama for a second. And he finds out about it. Then he tells you that your not allowed to vote because you don't like him.Your going to hate him even more don't ya think?
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 06:11 AM

i have no no problem with you dan, just saying im pretty sure that if anybody bad mouthed there boss like he was you would be shit canned in an instant...so why let someone race and then pay them to talk shit about you and run you into the ground?

So your never going to race at clearfield then? Lol.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 06:20 AM

We all know what comments are way over the line. Thats what we are talking about. No one loves the freedom of speech more than me. We must run PPMS as a business, the reality is it is a hobby for everyone that plays there, no one, racers or owners make a living at PPMS. We want our hobby to be fun and enjoyable. Opinions on who wrecked who are part of the game, and everyone is entitled to one. Controversy and differing opinions are part of every sport.

Fighting and now in the new era of social media, slanderous remarks and distasteful personal references have come into play. It's pretty sad that a few folks have to post distasteful remarks. Who would want new families to read that stuff?...and who cares? We do, and so should everyone that wants racing to prosper.

We are gaining momentum at PPMS, whether the naysayers like it or not. We are going to be as fair as we can be and we are going to treat people with respect and we are going to ask the same of our competitors. We just don't feel that is to much to ask, simple ole courtesy and respect.

We will continue to take feedback from identified sources in a serious light. Much of what is going on at PPMS is a direct result of those who support PPMS and have taken the time to share constructive feedback. We thank you.

We will continue to try new ideas and repeat what works, everyone gets a vote by attending or not. We will have some more failures, we will not fail to try!

I think your view is in the right direction. But most will post something about a change and when they don't see a change that's when the bashing comes about.But to tell someone your not allowed to talk bad about me...... I don't know.I do know it's not possible to please everyone. I do like the racing there some of the best I've seen this year. You can put that on my record.Dan.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 06:31 AM

Great another partially educated idiot quoting the Constitution! Freedom of Speech is not absolute jackwagon. Freedom of speech does not permit you to commit libel or slander, (not that I expect you to even know what those two words mean, much less the difference between them!)

Read the entire Constitution, not just the headings! And if you still don't understand, ask someone who didn't have five shop classes in high school!

You express your right to free speech. Maybe you can read it to me sometime.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 06:38 AM

Not wanting someone to come on here and act like a jackass making outrageous and false statements about your place of business is one thing.

Stating that people have no one has the right to criticize the price of concessions, the lighting issues from a few weeks ago, the track surface or the track officiating unless PPMS has the right to tag you, fingerprint you, photograph you shaking hands with Matt Miley while having your name, address, telephone number, social security number and mother's maiden name placed on Racestud by Miley Motorsports is just as ridiculous.

PPMS has had a pretty positive season and are doing good things there, but no track is perfect, and some criticisms are justified and worth pointing out. That the ownership there is so thin skinned that they will not only will not accept anonymous criticism even when it is spoken in a justified concise manner, but also said criticism is dismissed as someone hiding behind a screen name, merely causing trouble and are goaded by Matt Miley to reveal themselves.

Case in point, Scruffy made a perfectly rational observation a few weeks ago that perhaps the price of concessions were too high. He did not at any point cross the line, yet rarely a week goes by that Mr Miley basically calls scruffy a coward for not showing his face at the speedway.

I have no qualms or issues with PPMS, I'm just intrigued and confused by this strange business practice, and have a hard time believing that a seemingly competent business man can be this thin skinned.

No worries Matt, I will gladly pay my own way in, especially since it means I can criticize things when they're warranted and as I see fit, and Lord knows I can afford it.


Actually Matt is anything but thin skinned. If he took everything that was said about him, his family, or his racetrack personally he would be in a mental institution right now. Want to talk about thin skinned? I was confronted by a different track's "PR guy" this weekend at Attica because I had the gall to suggest that his track should work with the other tracks for the benefit of the fans, drivers, racetracks, and the sport in general. Once again my outrageous ideas like working together upset somebody!

I obviously don't agree with everything PPMS does either, but it's not my racetrack and there is a respectable way to discuss what we feel should be done to make the track better. The Miley's do consider our suggestions and act on some of them, if they didn't we'd still be watching freight train racing like we did in the 90's instead of 3 and 4 wide racing every Saturday. And while we all joke about the condition of the PPMS grandstands, I never feel that my life is in danger in them. After you've been to tracks like KC and Oakshade you'll realize that PPMS's grandstands are actually in pretty good shape.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 09:37 AM

No response to my post Matt? I woke up this morning looking forward to your rebuttal to my reasonable and insult-free take on the subject.

Edited by Vigoda Motorsports, 17 July 2012 - 09:39 AM.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:02 AM

Holy shit is this for real? Hahaha



I feel PMS is 100% correct in this matter.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:11 AM

Actually Matt is anything but thin skinned. If he took everything that was said about him, his family, or his racetrack personally he would be in a mental institution right now. Want to talk about thin skinned? I was confronted by a different track's "PR guy" this weekend at Attica because I had the gall to suggest that his track should work with the other tracks for the benefit of the fans, drivers, racetracks, and the sport in general. Once again my outrageous ideas like working together upset somebody!

I obviously don't agree with everything PPMS does either, but it's not my racetrack and there is a respectable way to discuss what we feel should be done to make the track better. The Miley's do consider our suggestions and act on some of them, if they didn't we'd still be watching freight train racing like we did in the 90's instead of 3 and 4 wide racing every Saturday. And while we all joke about the condition of the PPMS grandstands, I never feel that my life is in danger in them. After you've been to tracks like KC and Oakshade you'll realize that PPMS's grandstands are actually in pretty good shape.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:32 AM

So we should frequent race tracks based on the 50/50 payout now? Got it.




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