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[Racer17L]

Gearhead- to your point- I was also personally contacted, threatened, and banned from a track due to my admittedly over the top comments and suggestions on here. Yet Matt, is offering free admission and cheeseburgers to those who quit hiding behind their screen names to personally visit his track in an attempt to change their perception. BIG difference.

[mmiley]

No response to my post Matt? I woke up this morning looking forward to your rebuttal to my reasonable and insult-free take on the subject.

LOL, sorry I ruined your morning! I was just having fun with the hiding behind the name deal, that's your choice. Say hello to me sometime at PPMS, or better yet at Lernerville where im a fan just like you, it's our 44th consecutive year in racing! We still love it and still will do the best we can to keep it rolling!

Touché to the third power to flash49 post. Sums up how we feel better than I could say it. Matt Miley absolutely cannot and will not take away your freedom of speech. If you only read 3 words make it these 3, speech has consequences!...in all aspects of life!

I've been on this board for 10 years now, but post much more infrequently these days. This place used to be fun, people would actually discuss racing and what went on at the weekly bull rings. Sure there was controversy, two people seeing the same racing incident, based on their own prejudices, preconceptions, and loyalties, will always have different ideas on what really happened. The discussion often got heated, but there were rarely any slanderous comments or things I would be embarrassed to have my kids read. Nowadays, everyone wants to be a smart-ass wise guy or just plain asshole.

The only reason these policies even have to be considered is because lots of "adults" don't know how to police their own comments and behavior. In days gone by, there were many occasions where the racestudders got together and introduced each other, and chatted up a storm about our favorite pasttime, auto racing. I have met lots of great racing friends from my association with this forum. But based on the inane, sarcastic, and downright libellous comments that seem to be the norm these days, I'm not so sure I ever want to meet some of you folks.

I get tired of the same old "freedom of speech" argument that is so misconstrued by so many of you. While you may not be put in jail for unpopular speech, such speech has consequences. Would any of you attend one of Pastor Beck's services and start interrupting his sermon, while shouting obscenities, and not expect to be removed from the premisis? Of course not. If such comments are going to be detrimental to a business, does the business owner just have to suck it up? Of course not. A little bit of restraint goes a long way, I hope some of you (a vocal minority) might take the hint.



Keith E. Donnelly

[pudnats]

Has anyone been banned for this mmiley?

[Vigoda Motorsports]

No, I'm pretty sure this post sums it up better than anyone could say it. I've raised several points in this post that no one is seemingly smart enough to address.

This anonymity fiasco basically started because a frequent contributor to the board simply had a sound viewpoint about the concessions that Matt took offense to. Because it was done using an anonymous handle, it was blasted and dismissed as "mischief making".

Round Robin probably had his first smart statement in 10 years on the board. " Matt would be a lot better off solving the problems that lead to negative postings and refraining from attempting to police people's internet activities except when provable lies are posted that cost him business."

Not wanting someone to come on here and act like a jackass making outrageous and false statements about your place of business is one thing.

Stating that people have no one has the right to criticize the price of concessions, the lighting issues from a few weeks ago, the track surface or the track officiating unless PPMS has the right to tag you, fingerprint you, photograph you shaking hands with Matt Miley while having your name, address, telephone number, social security number and mother's maiden name placed on Racestud by Miley Motorsports is just as ridiculous.

PPMS has had a pretty positive season and are doing good things there, but no track is perfect, and some criticisms are justified and worth pointing out. That the ownership there is so thin skinned that they will not only will not accept anonymous criticism even when it is spoken in a justified concise manner, but also said criticism is dismissed as someone hiding behind a screen name, merely causing trouble and are goaded by Matt Miley to reveal themselves.

Case in point, Scruffy made a perfectly rational observation a few weeks ago that perhaps the price of concessions were too high. He did not at any point cross the line, yet rarely a week goes by that Mr Miley basically calls scruffy a coward for not showing his face at the speedway.

I have no qualms or issues with PPMS, I'm just intrigued and confused by this strange business practice, and have a hard time believing that a seemingly competent business man can be this thin skinned.

No worries Matt, I will gladly pay my own way in, especially since it means I can criticize things when they're warranted and as I see fit, and Lord knows I can afford it.

Edited by Vigoda Motorsports, 17 July 2012 - 12:00 PM.

[Vigoda Motorsports]

p.s. Just to clarify, flash49 had it correct when he said in a more polite way that there a lot of retards on this board anymore. Even the beloved mayor of this place doesn't post here as much as he used to. I find that the 4cylinder/pure stock/central pa portion of the board are mostly to blame. However to dismiss the opinions of smart, intelligent posters that may from time to time raise some controversy here including myself, scruffy1a, skull, banned member (r.i.p), turkeysub, harrygant, ronkingdonking's brother, baconbits, george constanza, and underwear bandit as anonymous trouble makers looking to run tracks into the ground, who's opinions should merely be tossed aside, is simply an asinine point of view. Glad we made it on Rappin on Racin though.

[dirtL8MdlFan21&11]

p.s. Just to clarify, flash49 had it correct when he said in a more polite way that there a lot of retards on this board anymore. Even the beloved mayor of this place doesn't post here as much as he used to. I find that the 4cylinder/pure stock/central pa portion of the board are mostly to blame.

However to dismiss the opinions of smart, intelligent posters that may from time to time raise some controversy here including myself, scruffy1a, skull, banned member (r.i.p), turkeysub, harrygant, ronkingdonking's brother, baconbits, george constanza, and underwear bandit as anonymous trouble makers looking to run tracks into the ground, who's opinions should merely be tossed aside, is simply an asinine point of view.

Glad we made it on Rappin on Racin though.

to be honest, you have raised no points that I can read in this post, except for the fact that the 4cylinder/central pa portion are to blame. And once again you are missing the point, that opinions arent to be tossed aside, but the ones where someone is threatening or using a fellow competitor as a bulletin board for insults is what is most in question. Once again, Matt will not ban you for talking bad about the cheeseburghers,in fact every time someone raised the question he made jokes... If anybody is thin skinned it is you and your posse of "intelligent posters."

But from now on I am only goin to a track whos 50/50 is over $1000 so it doesnt matter anymore anyways.

[Skull]

Having not read every post on this thread, I can only assume that Matt's initial post is in reference to statements made by a SLM driver that felt he was wronged at PPMS last Saturday evening. If I'm incorrect about this, I apologize in advance. It seems to me this issue could have been settled with a phone call or a sit down with the individual(s) in question. I can't for the life of me understand why Matt Miley would take the time to post a "final warning" during a period of time when he is trying to implement change and gather feedback about his operation. Seems curious and somewhat nebulously further reaching to me. I have my reasons for keeping my identity private, reasons which are no one's business. I pay my own way into the races and will continue to do so. I see the people at the tracks I go to that I want to see, and some of those very people both read and post on this board. I am a lifelong passionate fan of the sport that is the subject of this board, no more or no less than those that choose to add their given Christian names to their posts. To that end, I have never asked anybody in the open forum or privately through this medium who they are. They have their right to privacy just as I do. Having said that, I don't discount what a poster has to say based merely on whether or not they offer their real names. I have other criteria for reaching those conclusions.

[dirt's4racin']

No one is at anyone's house. Dick! How about this Anyone who is on race stud is not welcome there.Or anyone who races anywhere else will be banned. And it ends where? Ive got my ideas you have yours. Let's leave it at that. I personally like going there I think the racing is great.I don't think I've ever said anything against the track.But if I do it's because I want change. Let's just pretend you don't like Obama for a second. And he finds out about it. Then he tells you that your not allowed to vote because you don't like him.Your going to hate him even more don't ya think?

Are you serious?!? You're dumber than you came across in the first place! You're comparing PPMS banning people that defame the reputation of their business (which is their constitutional right) to having your right to vote being revoked?!? The equivilent of what you're saying is:

Racerxcrewchief: "Obama is a piece if shit!, Worst President in History!, Can't do anything right!, Ruined the Economy!,"
Me: So who are you voting for this year?
Racerxcrewchief: "Obama"

Your argument would be better if you said, "You don't like Obama, and he finds out, so he doesn't let you come to the oval office and hang out on saturday nights". That's the equivilent of what the Miley's are saying.

[winner 1]

[quote name='dirtL8MdlFan21&11' date='Jul 17 2012,
You are at a dirt track, you arent going to get aluminum seating.
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Ummmm you never been to port royal have you ? Not starting anything just putting it out there. Or even Bedford. Theres is concrete

[mmiley]

No one has been banned or fined by PPMS with the rule. The fact is action has been taken by organizations and in other sports for folks crossing the socially acceptable line on social media. We will handle any penalties at our facility in a private way as we always do. However, we feel it is fair to let everyone know it is part of our rules, a rule we hope we never have to use.

It is our goal to avoid penalizing anyone by trying to keep them informed, then they make their own choices. This rule has been posted since the beginning of the 2012 season. Obviously, no one read those rules! Hence a public notice before someone crosses the line.

No one agrees more than us that the focus should be on the racing, there is some darn good racing going on in our area in 2012! Attend some, and see if you can find something positive to say about it. Racing is still one of the best entertainment values going!

Although the Racestud Entertainment Value has been pretty high lately! Glad I'm an American who can exercise my freedom of speech to state my opinions wherever I choose to state them, as long as I'm willing to be held accountable for what I say!...and I'll man up and be accountable!

By the way there's some great racing going on this weekend in Western PA! Tonight, WoO! Friday ULMS At Lernerville, Sat UFo at the Monster, & ULMS Sunday at Dog Hollow for me! Doesn't get much better than that! Support your local speedway. It makes a difference!

[Jerry Baker]

"No one agrees more than us that the focus should be on the racing" so I should expect no more petting zoo's or 1 monster truck anymore? and that the focus will now be on racing? Jerry Baker

[bulldog]

"No one agrees more than us that the focus should be on the racing"

so I should expect no more petting zoo's or 1 monster truck anymore? and that the focus will now be on racing?

Jerry Baker

Still haven't heard if Flinner was put to the tail of the field or received any type of reprimand from the track

[MileyTHEmonsterFAN]

Still haven't heard if Flinner was put to the tail of the field or received any type of reprimand from the track

He was not! I asked Matt about the rough driving situation earlier in the thread, he never did address it.

[mmiley]

"No one agrees more than us that the focus should be on the racing"

so I should expect no more petting zoo's or 1 monster truck anymore? and that the focus will now be on racing?

Jerry Baker

Got me there Jerry! LOL. Sorry, the petting zoo is coming back August 25 just before kids go back to school, and well, so is our friend Joe in Bad Habit, this time Joe is bringing 5 friends and a ride truck. Thanks for the lead in. The next cold one at PPMS is on me...say hello some time!

[bhhracing]

Someone should send a email to Pittsburgh Penguins, Steelers, Pirates,.ect. They all should take notice of not allowing bashing.ect on their message boards, after all, ppms is in competition with them in Allegheny county and Saturday nights and we dont want them to not follow what other facilities are doing in 2012.

[racerxcrewchief]

Are you serious?!? You're dumber than you came across in the first place! You're comparing PPMS banning people that defame the reputation of their business (which is their constitutional right) to having your right to vote being revoked?!? The equivilent of what you're saying is:

Racerxcrewchief: "Obama is a piece if shit!, Worst President in History!, Can't do anything right!, Ruined the Economy!,"
Me: So who are you voting for this year?
Racerxcrewchief: "Obama"

Your argument would be better if you said, "You don't like Obama, and he finds out, so he doesn't let you come to the oval office and hang out on saturday nights". That's the equivilent of what the Miley's are saying.

I guess we do agree on one thing.Thanks for going Republican this time.Have a great day.

Edited by racerxcrewchief, 18 July 2012 - 06:13 AM.

[TheLegend]

I guess we do agree on one thing.Thanks for going Republican this time.Have a great day.

Voting for Mitt Romney is the single most important thing anyone can do in the next 5 months but a close second would be starting to disqualify and suspend cars for blatantly trying to destroy other peoples equiptment. Almost every single pitt and internet incident could be avoided by taking this one simple step. IM not talking about minor racing related incidents either the difference is absolutely black and white between intentional and unintentional. For instance if i was brian swartzlander and i turned slightly down the race track into a lane where another car already was and slight contact caused me to spin, I wouldnt be upset if the guy was not disqualified. That was the definition of a racing incident. I have the perfect solution, I know the drivers dont own the race track but without cars there would be no fans and no race track but how about have a drivers meeting and ask for a show of hands who thinks intentional rough driving incidents should be disqualifed and suspended. I would be willing to bet an overwhelming majority would raise their hand after all its the drivers whos lives are put at risk when someone chooses to use a 2200lb 120mph vehicle as a projectile of destruction instead of a race car. Theres a lot of guys who can barely afford to be out there in the first place and the last thing anyone needs are wrecked race cars and smaller fields because guys cant afford to put their stuff back together. The best option for everyone involved is to disqualify and suspend such actions. Yeah there has been great racing at ppms this year but the last 2 weeks instead of that being the highlight of discussion the only thing being talked about is BS that should not even be happening in the first place.

[Stock Stroker]

Have any of you with a problem called Matt and asked to sit down and discuss the problem? I didn't think so! JMO

[blue by you]

Voting for Mitt Romney is the single most important thing anyone can do in the next 5 months but a close second would be starting to disqualify and suspend cars for blatantly trying to destroy other peoples equiptment. Almost every single pitt and internet incident could be avoided by taking this one simple step. IM not talking about minor racing related incidents either the difference is absolutely black and white between intentional and unintentional. For instance if i was brian swartzlander and i turned slightly down the race track into a lane where another car already was and slight contact caused me to spin, I wouldnt be upset if the guy was not disqualified. That was the definition of a racing incident. I have the perfect solution, I know the drivers dont own the race track but without cars there would be no fans and no race track but how about have a drivers meeting and ask for a show of hands who thinks intentional rough driving incidents should be disqualifed and suspended. I would be willing to bet an overwhelming majority would raise their hand after all its the drivers whos lives are put at risk when someone chooses to use a 2200lb 120mph vehicle as a projectile of destruction instead of a race car. Theres a lot of guys who can barely afford to be out there in the first place and the last thing anyone needs are wrecked race cars and smaller fields because guys cant afford to put their stuff back together. The best option for everyone involved is to disqualify and suspend such actions. Yeah there has been great racing at ppms this year but the last 2 weeks instead of that being the highlight of discussion the only thing being talked about is BS that should not even be happening in the first place.

well said. an it should be brought up at the drivers meeting.

[scruffy1a]

great post, everything you have always spoken on here I have respected. Your opinion is one of the better ones on here, and I tend to agree with you on almost everything you post because it is fair, and without sarcasm or 10th grade insults.

I will tell you, bad idea posting your name, now if Matt ever has one of those free racestud things you cant get in cause we know your name haha

I think you enjoy flash's opinion so much because his nose is about as brown as yours. No wonder you agree with him.

Giving his name was the most ridiculous part of his post. It would be just as impossible for me to pick Keith E. Donnelly from a lineup as it would be to pick flash49. It is trivial, unnecessary information.

Edited by scruffy1a, 18 July 2012 - 11:35 AM.