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[scruffy1a]

so buy a two day and spend 45 dollars?

glad to see the race is 10,000$$

You're promoted to head sympathizer. Until flash posts.

[scruffy1a]

40 bucks to get in will be the highest amount i have paid at any track this year. that includes lucas events. outlaw late models. outlaw sprints. i was going to go but sorry. dough tight and that is beyond my price range. damn.

You're banned.

[scruffy1a]

$70 for pit passes??! That's ridiculous.

You're banned.

[scruffy1a]

I can't go through 5 pages like that. I imagine the rest of the topic is as follows: Everyone who posted is banned or on thin ice except for flash and his lil sidekick, who can't understand why anyone would ever question anything instead of just opening their wallets.

[Rusty_Nuts]

LOL ya. ive been reading this whole thing and i cant get that $75 dollar pit admission price out of my mind. Our race crew typically consists of about 4-5 people helping out per night. Thats already $375 for the weekend. Factor in gas prices to and from the track, TWICE. Unless we bought a hotel room which would still be costly. Factor in more race fuel. Ive already spent over $600 before i even load the car, lol, even with the gaurenteed tow money. And i somewhat agree about wanting to know the purses as well. For example, in the mods, i think it gaurentees two hundred or so as tow money for 32nd place...? but until i know the purse like the rest of you, ill always have that idea that the $200 tow money starts at 12 place and just goes from there. lol BRP Mod payout: 1st:: $3000 2nd-31st:: $201 32nd:: $200 Im not bashing PPMS. Ive seen good racing there over the years. Just as part of a race team, weve seen the cost of racing rise but the purses remain the same. So im more on the cautionary front right now.

[Hot Dog]

You're banned.

What a shame that would be.

[dirtL8MdlFan21&11]

This is my last post on this asinine post, but since nobody agrees with me and thinks im an idiot, (which frankly i dont care about most of you clowns on here), but this is how I think about racing. Its a hobby, and any hobby is EXPENSIVE, and if you wanna do it, you gotta pay, no matter what the pay is, if you wanna do it then you do it. If some racers out there think they are professionals and only do this and dont work otherwise then they arent very bright. In terms of a hobby, I look at it compared to any other hobby; HOBBY 1) Golf; Most people who golf are below average or right at average, but they just love to go out and do it. Now when you want to golf you buy all the necessary equipment (money spent), go to the driving range (money spent), and then all the green fees (money spent/entry fee), beer for the course (money spent). And what do you get in return? Nothing except an enjoyable day on the golf course, nobody is getting paid unless its a minimal bet with a friend which doesnt really count unless your dropping hundreds. HOBBY 2) Skiing/Snowboarding; Everyone likes a nice getaway to the mountains away from the city and whatnot, and a lot like to ski and or snowboard. So in order to do this you have to buy the necessary equipment (money spent), travel expenses (money spent), lodge fees/lift passes to get on the mountainside (money spent/entry fee) And what do you get in return from this hobby? Nothing except a nice experience away from the real world and a frozen ass and maybe a broken bone. Now... HOBBY 3) Racing; Everyone knows its one of the, if not the most expensive hobby out there, and yeah prices are out of hand in all aspects but thats besides the point. Going into your hobby, unless you just pickup a car and go which would still be pricey, you are going to need to buy all the necessary equipment (money spent), fuel and tires all the time (money spent), miscellaneous items for the team (money spent), PIT FEES/ENTRY FEES (money spent)... but here comes where racing is different than most hobbies, YOU GET SOMETHING IN RETURN. Yes, i know you dont get back what you put into it, and all this money spent you deserve more maybe or a cut a break here or there, but you STILL GET SOMETHING IN RETURN. You arent a professional, you arent under a signed contract, and you dont have obligations other than what you decide you want to do,and yet you still get money back to you no matter how good or bad you do. Its unlike any other hobby out there, and if there is a hobby out there where you get paid to do what you like to do, please let me know because Im going to sell my golf clubs and stop going to the races. I know some of you dont like me or dont agree with anything I say, but this is all fact and why I stand behind my opinions, not because I am "on the Miley payroll", or "Swing from Matt's nuts", but its more like that I love racing and understand what the negatives as well as the positives are. And I also support many racetracks and races, and all different types of admission fees. I do this, and stick up for racetracks or promoters because I know if everyone hates everything and all racetracks, this hobby will be dead.

[Rocky Kugel]

Your a idiot...I'm asking one ???...and i get beat around the bush about anything I ever asked....glad I'm not a regular

[Hamburgler]

Listen you horse tooth jackass........ the point was is the money was spent & the people did not get what they paid for which was laps on a race track....... next time you go skiing or miniature golfing , think about this..... what if they took your money & and then just told you to leave...... CANCELED ! And that was the only explanation that they gave you....... people just want to know what is going to happen , that is all.

[dirtL8MdlFan21&11]

Listen you horse tooth jackass........ the point was is the money was spent & the people did not get what they paid for which was laps on a race track....... next time you go skiing or miniature golfing , think about this..... what if they took your money & and then just told you to leave...... CANCELED ! And that was the only explanation that they gave you....... people just want to know what is going to happen , that is all.

that has happened, when it rains or lightnings your not allowed on the golf course, so you lose your money... try again... and why so many different screen names? Hamburgler isnt your normal name is it?

i didnt bash any of you in my post, i stated a fact and you come back with a 10 year old insult, classy...

Edited by dirtL8MdlFan21&11, 04 September 2012 - 12:34 PM.

[Vigoda Motorsports]

that has happened, when it rains or lightnings your not allowed on the golf course, so you lose your money... try again... and why so many different screen names? Hamburgler isnt your normal name is it?

i didnt bash any of you in my post, i stated a fact and you come back with a 10 year old insult, classy...

So PPMS takes money last week, the race rains out and noone gets their money back, track promoter plays coy as to whether or not that the money from last week will be put into next week's purse, promoter gets irritated when questioned, but never really answers, and your intelligent response when yet again coming to his rescue, is that people shouldn't expect that money back anyway because hobbies are expensive and sometimes when you go golfing, it rains and you don't get your money back, and golfing is also a hobby.

Yeah, you don't lick Matt's balls at all.

Edited by Vigoda Motorsports, 04 September 2012 - 01:10 PM.

[dirt slinger11]

Dirt slinger 11....... why would you even open your mouth? What do you even know about racing at all? People that have a late model or a crate late have a lot of money invested in it...... everyone wanted to know what was going on with the entry fee that was already paid...... It was supposed to be a separate race then the race that was going to happen during the Pittsburgher. Maybe you and Andrew can have a bicycle race during the Pittsburgher weekend? Lol...... you can "race" for a can of beer. JERKOFF

why dont you just stop bitching and just race for fun and not worry about the money involved thats whats bad about racing anymore its all about the money not the fun of the sport

[scruffy1a]

This is my last post on this asinine post, but since nobody agrees with me and thinks im an idiot, (which frankly i dont care about most of you clowns on here), but this is how I think about racing.

Its a hobby, and any hobby is EXPENSIVE, and if you wanna do it, you gotta pay, no matter what the pay is, if you wanna do it then you do it. If some racers out there think they are professionals and only do this and dont work otherwise then they arent very bright.

In terms of a hobby, I look at it compared to any other hobby;

HOBBY 1) Golf; Most people who golf are below average or right at average, but they just love to go out and do it. Now when you want to golf you buy all the necessary equipment (money spent), go to the driving range (money spent), and then all the green fees (money spent/entry fee), beer for the course (money spent). And what do you get in return? Nothing except an enjoyable day on the golf course, nobody is getting paid unless its a minimal bet with a friend which doesnt really count unless your dropping hundreds.

HOBBY 2) Skiing/Snowboarding; Everyone likes a nice getaway to the mountains away from the city and whatnot, and a lot like to ski and or snowboard. So in order to do this you have to buy the necessary equipment (money spent), travel expenses (money spent), lodge fees/lift passes to get on the mountainside (money spent/entry fee) And what do you get in return from this hobby? Nothing except a nice experience away from the real world and a frozen ass and maybe a broken bone.

Now...
HOBBY 3) Racing; Everyone knows its one of the, if not the most expensive hobby out there, and yeah prices are out of hand in all aspects but thats besides the point. Going into your hobby, unless you just pickup a car and go which would still be pricey, you are going to need to buy all the necessary equipment (money spent), fuel and tires all the time (money spent), miscellaneous items for the team (money spent), PIT FEES/ENTRY FEES (money spent)... but here comes where racing is different than most hobbies, YOU GET SOMETHING IN RETURN. Yes, i know you dont get back what you put into it, and all this money spent you deserve more maybe or a cut a break here or there, but you STILL GET SOMETHING IN RETURN. You arent a professional, you arent under a signed contract, and you dont have obligations other than what you decide you want to do,and yet you still get money back to you no matter how good or bad you do. Its unlike any other hobby out there, and if there is a hobby out there where you get paid to do what you like to do, please let me know because Im going to sell my golf clubs and stop going to the races.

I know some of you dont like me or dont agree with anything I say, but this is all fact and why I stand behind my opinions, not because I am "on the Miley payroll", or "Swing from Matt's nuts", but its more like that I love racing and understand what the negatives as well as the positives are. And I also support many racetracks and races, and all different types of admission fees. I do this, and stick up for racetracks or promoters because I know if everyone hates everything and all racetracks, this hobby will be dead.

People pay racetrack owners to watch the participants, ergo racetracks pay the participants. Nobody is paying the owner of the golf course or ski slope to come in to sit and watch the people participating in their hobby.

[dirtL8MdlFan21&11]

So PPMS takes money last week, the race rains out and noone gets their money back, track promoter plays coy as to whether or not that the money from last week will be put into next week's purse, promoter gets irritated when questioned, but never really answers, and your intelligent response when yet again coming to his rescue, is that people shouldn't expect that money back anyway because hobbies are expensive and sometimes when you go golfing, it rains and you don't get your money back, and golfing is also a hobby.

Yeah, you don't lick Matt's balls at all.

I didnt say one thing about anybodys money or last week, you guys manifest all these comments out of nowhere to make people look bad. I also said nothing about the mileys or anything so therefore I wasnt coming to anybodys "rescue." But in reality people should not expect money back in racing, if they do they are naive.

It is to my understanding you can use your pit fees on another day, like it has been all year. And although nobody got their money back that night which maybe they should have, there would be checks sent out refunding them of the entry fee, that came from the track last saturday night.

[LM RACING]

why dont you just stop bitching and just race for fun and not worry about the money involved thats whats bad about racing anymore its all about the money not the fun of the sport

Exactly. The racers did this to themselves now they wanna complain that its too expensive and they need paid more. And the rest of the people make fun of the guys who do it with the money they have and cant get past mid pack but have fun. there is no reason you should need $750,000 worth of equipment to pull into a local track for $1000 to win.

[flash49]

I can't go through 5 pages like that. I imagine the rest of the topic is as follows: Everyone who posted is banned or on thin ice except for flash and his lil sidekick, who can't understand why anyone would ever question anything instead of just opening their wallets.

Hey scruff, back in the days when I didn't have as much disposable income, and all my friends were going on luxurious vacations, I stayed home. I didn't bitch about the costs of these vacations, I waited until I had enough money to go. If you can't afford to race, don't race.

[racing81]

they should have a group of two or three classes run two different nights

Edited by racing81, 04 September 2012 - 03:12 PM.

[#1Cgeislerfan]

LOL ya. ive been reading this whole thing and i cant get that $75 dollar pit admission price out of my mind. Our race crew typically consists of about 4-5 people helping out per night. Thats already $375 for the weekend. Factor in gas prices to and from the track, TWICE. Unless we bought a hotel room which would still be costly. Factor in more race fuel. Ive already spent over $600 before i even load the car, lol, even with the gaurenteed tow money.

And i somewhat agree about wanting to know the purses as well. For example, in the mods, i think it gaurentees two hundred or so as tow money for 32nd place...? but until i know the purse like the rest of you, ill always have that idea that the $200 tow money starts at 12 place and just goes from there. lol

BRP Mod payout: 1st:: $3000
2nd-31st:: $201
32nd:: $200

Im not bashing PPMS. Ive seen good racing there over the years. Just as part of a race team, weve seen the cost of racing rise but the purses remain the same. So im more on the cautionary front right now.

>>>> i think mmiley made a good point when he said admission prices are set to keep the place in business next season. If you don't feel it is worth it, boycott this race. Maybe next season you'll be sitting at home wishing PPMS was still around as a weekly place to race at.

[TheLegend]

>>>> i think mmiley made a good point when he said admission prices are set to keep the place in business next season. If you don't feel it is worth it, boycott this race. Maybe next season you'll be sitting at home wishing PPMS was still around as a weekly place to race at.

That argument does not hold water, a successful business provides a good or service that the consumer wants needs or desires at a price COMPETITIVE with other compareable goods or service in that market while still making a PROFIT. By your reasoning if a local dive bar decides to charge 20 dollars for a well rum and coke and customers decide a rum and coke in a dive bar isnt worth 20 dollars and they stop coming, by your estimation if said dive bar goes out of business its the customers fault ????? When a business goes out of business its the owners fault not the customers fault !! A business fails when it fails to provide a good or service the consumer wants needs or desires at a price point that makes it desireable to said consumers !! This post is not specific to ppms its speaking of business in general...

[Vigoda Motorsports]

That argument does not hold water, a successful business provides a good or service that the consumer wants needs or desires at a price COMPETITIVE with other compareable goods or service in that market while still making a PROFIT. By your reasoning if a local dive bar decides to charge 20 dollars for a well rum and coke and customers decide a rum and coke in a dive bar isnt worth 20 dollars and they stop coming, by your estimation if said dive bar goes out of business its the customers fault ????? When a business goes out of business its the owners fault not the customers fault !! A business fails when it fails to provide a good or service the consumer wants needs or desires at a price point that makes it desireable to said consumers !! This post is not specific to ppms its speaking of business in general...

But remember, the pricing at PPMS isn't comparable with successful dirt tracks such as Lernerville, their real comparison comes from the Steelers, Pirates and Penguins. So if it costs 7.75 for a can of beer and 20 dollars to park your car in Pittsburgh, PPMS by comparison must also overcharge their customers in order to keep up and "stay in business." Get it?