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[the punisher]

I'm not so sure everybody would agree with you on Lernerville paying what should be paid. But for Eldora running micros, they've actually talked about having a mini kings royal on the smaller track they recently built. If you would check out Linda's Speedway, Greenwood Valley Action Track, Path Valley, Trail-Way, Kutztown, Hamlin, Lanco, or just about any micro track out east, you'll see that these little cars can be a big deal.

Well you just said it MICRO TRACK OUT EAST, hummingbird isn't a micro track its for race cars. Modified's are the prime division in the north and parts of the far east, does that mean hummingbird should drop limited late models and pick up mods? Lernerville I'm sure pays better than the $600-$700 for winning at hummingbird, so I was simply using it for an example. This just seems like a really stupid move on hummingbird's part because they are not going to put people in the stands to see glorified go karts. Should they get a good car count the only thing the speedway will be doing is putting the pit pass fees in their pockets and losing the front gate interest. Be smart and use head lining divisions with respectful pay outs and your better drivers/cars will find their way to that awesome little track and the fans will follow. Can you just imagine the house hold talk Saturday morning when a father says to his son hey Timmy do you wana go to hummingbird and watch the limited late models and the 270 micros or would you rather go to McKean county and watch the super lates or go to lernerville and see the world of outlaw super late models? Now do you really think young Timmy is going to choose limited lates and micros or do you think he is going to want to see super late models? Hummingbird is a great race track, stop cheating out the super lates and open it up.

[BLACKFLAG]

Punisher, Thanks for the input!!!! Where would the super lates come from? Marion Center, Amp, A few tracks up north run them already on Saturday. Bobby 814-229-2525 By the way I don't work for Hummingbird so i am not speaking for them.

[CHEVY1A]

Well you just said it MICRO TRACK OUT EAST, hummingbird isn't a micro track its for race cars. Modified's are the prime division in the north and parts of the far east, does that mean hummingbird should drop limited late models and pick up mods? Lernerville I'm sure pays better than the $600-$700 for winning at hummingbird, so I was simply using it for an example. This just seems like a really stupid move on hummingbird's part because they are not going to put people in the stands to see glorified go karts. Should they get a good car count the only thing the speedway will be doing is putting the pit pass fees in their pockets and losing the front gate interest. Be smart and use head lining divisions with respectful pay outs and your better drivers/cars will find their way to that awesome little track and the fans will follow. Can you just imagine the house hold talk Saturday morning when a father says to his son hey Timmy do you wana go to hummingbird and watch the limited late models and the 270 micros or would you rather go to McKean county and watch the super lates or go to lernerville and see the world of outlaw super late models? Now do you really think young Timmy is going to choose limited lates and micros or do you think he is going to want to see super late models? Hummingbird is a great race track, stop cheating out the super lates and open it up.

Little Timmy probably doesn't know the difference between a micro or super late lol

[wildbill51]

Little Timmy probably doesn't know the difference between a micro or super late lol

if u bring little timmy to watch the micros run at the bird,he will want ones of those glorified go-kart,and if u have little timmy running a go-kart now to get ready to race cars,he will really want one

[the punisher]

Punisher,

Thanks for the input!!!!

Where would the super lates come from?
Marion Center, Amp, A few tracks up north run them already on Saturday.

Bobby 814-229-2525

By the way I don't work for Hummingbird so i am not speaking for them.

Didn't stop AMP from opening up against hummingbird now did it? Hummingbird has an exciting bullring that most of the guys that go their like it, but they cannot race it normally because they are super lates. The Mich orsich memorial always brings in some damn good cars and names right? It's not even a big paying event.

[BLACKFLAG]

Not going to get into with. But I don't think anybody else is racing during that event. Have you ever called and talked to anybody from the track? They are always looking for input. Thanks Again

[the punisher]

Not going to get into with. But I don't think anybody else is racing during that event.
Have you ever called and talked to anybody from the track? They are always looking for input.
Thanks Again

Uh yeah jack AMP ran a ULMS show against it this year. Just saying across the country your most famous and successful tracks do not run these fluff classes or limited anything. If the 270 micros are so great, then why doesn't Williams grove run them cause I mean they run a few different sprint car divisions?

[SRT93]

Uh yeah jack AMP ran a ULMS show against it this year. Just saying across the country your most famous and successful tracks do not run these fluff classes or limited anything. If the 270 micros are so great, then why doesn't Williams grove run them cause I mean they run a few different sprint car divisions?

Williams Grove and Lincoln have both scheduled Sidewinder races in the past couple years, and I imagine they will next year as well. The sidewinders is a mix between micro sprints and mini sprints.

[the punisher]

Williams Grove and Lincoln have both scheduled Sidewinder races in the past couple years, and I imagine they will next year as well. The sidewinders is a mix between micro sprints and mini sprints.

Aren't the sidewinders 61 cubes or 1000 cc and not the 270 cc? That's exactly how people think when they hear steel block late model compaired to super late.

[SRT93]

Aren't the sidewinders 61 cubes or 1000 cc and not the 270 cc? That's exactly how people think when they hear steel block late model compaired to super late.

Yes, they're 600-1000cc. However, the 270s run faster laps on a majority of tracks.

[the punisher]

Yes, they're 600-1000cc. However, the 270s run faster laps on a majority of tracks.

How many fans do you know that carry stop watches that are going to bother timing rather than watching that are even going to notice the difference or even care. They hear 1000 cc or 270 cc and that is that, just like hummingbirds steel block cars get no respect when people talk about super lates. Your average fan thinks that a super late is night and day from a steel block late, when in fact here is some possible enlightenment for yourself since you shared lap times with me. Steel block engines will produce more power than a aluminum motor, but how many fans know that because anyone you talk too thinks the aluminum motors are more powerful because who runs them? Oh yeah the big name guys running the big name tracks that pay good money.

[JollyFun]

You know what I'm getting at jerk wad, you and your stupid mentally of your area is why hummingbird is struggling and has no name brand drivers who can leave that track and be successful elsewhere. Glad your happy with half assed attempts to make the track better. Keep on keepin on being at the bottom of the food chain.


F the micros, open up the late models and pay $1k or more to win and you will never have to have this conversation topic again.

Didn't Marion center fail running this stupid class, oh hey might as well add 3/4 scale late models too because they made Marion center so much money.

I do not know what you are getting at? Your use of "brand name drivers" is cracking me up...
If you only ran LM's the track would not make it a month. HB is not Lernerville or Eldora or any other big race track. It is a small track that is fun to race on. Do I wish they had a full field in every class, sure. But they don't, I am just thankful that Louie keeps the doors open and is trying to make a few changes, to the track and by trying different classes. Late models have plenty of tracks to go if they want to chase the big purse's every week. They run a few specials for the LM guys thru out the year. Lets have a few more classes that do not cost $15-30K to compete.

[BFP92]

Plain and simple hummingbird has a great track surface that's never one lane and almost never rough with room to pass. If they would raise the purse the cars would come. The place is 100 times better than AMP!!!!

[BFP92]

I do not know what you are getting at? Your use of "brand name drivers" is cracking me up...
If you only ran LM's the track would not make it a month. HB is not Lernerville or Eldora or any other big race track. It is a small track that is fun to race on. Do I wish they had a full field in every class, sure. But they don't, I am just thankful that Louie keeps the doors open and is trying to make a few changes, to the track and by trying different classes. Late models have plenty of tracks to go if they want to chase the big purse's every week. They run a few specials for the LM guys thru out the year. Lets have a few more classes that do not cost $15-30K to compete.

Do that and you'll have even less fans in the stands.

[michael myers]

How many fans do you know that carry stop watches that are going to bother timing rather than watching that are even going to notice the difference or even care. They hear 1000 cc or 270 cc and that is that, just like hummingbirds steel block cars get no respect when people talk about super lates. Your average fan thinks that a super late is night and day from a steel block late, when in fact here is some possible enlightenment for yourself since you shared lap times with me. Steel block engines will produce more power than a aluminum motor, but how many fans know that because anyone you talk too thinks the aluminum motors are more powerful because who runs them? Oh yeah the big name guys running the big name tracks that pay good money.

So you say a steel block engine will produce more power. How did you come up with that Einstein? The steel block weigh's more than aluminum block's do which is a big advantage to the alum. block's. A block DOES NOT MAKE POWER,but the cylinder heads sure do as does the component's in the block. Racer's run light weight components to save on sprung,and un- sprung weight including alum. block's if rules allow. If steel block's were the holy grail for power everybody would switch back,but they do not make the power. I have seen steel block's out run alum. engine's before. it had a lot more to do with set up,and the driver than what was under the hood for a block.

[BFP92]

So you say a steel block engine will produce more power. How did you come up with that Einstein? The steel block weigh's more than aluminum block's do which is a big advantage to the alum. block's. A block DOES NOT MAKE POWER,but the cylinder heads sure do as does the component's in the block. Racer's run light weight components to save on sprung,and un- sprung weight including alum. block's if rules allow. If steel block's were the holy grail for power everybody would switch back,but they do not make the power. I have seen steel block's out run alum. engine's before. it had a lot more to do with set up,and the driver than what was under the hood for a block.

You might want to do some research so next time you don't like a uninformed jack ass. A steel block will make more power because the cylinder walls deform less from heat which in turn means they hold their shape more consistently and experience less compression loss thereby creating more power.

[DarwinsBeagle]

You know what I'm getting at jerk wad, you and your stupid mentally of your area is why hummingbird is struggling and has no name brand drivers who can leave that track and be successful elsewhere. Glad your happy with half assed attempts to make the track better. Keep on keepin on being at the bottom of the food chain.


F the micros, open up the late models and pay $1k or more to win and you will never have to have this conversation topic again.

Didn't Marion center fail running this stupid class, oh hey might as well add 3/4 scale late models too because they made Marion center so much money.

"Name brand drivers"? What is a name brand driver? Like Kotex or something?

$1K is a big weekly payout for winning a late model race?

[gofast05]

Punisher,

Thanks for the input!!!!

Where would the super lates come from?
Marion Center, Amp, A few tracks up north run them already on Saturday.

Bobby 814-229-2525

By the way I don't work for Hummingbird so i am not speaking for them.

why exactly would it hurt to open the late models up? if you get 5 more cars, you'll be in good shape. Get guys like blose stopping in, or Sammy stiles, there are a bunch of supers around that you don't know about because they've run other tracks.

[snooky]

The Bird ain't Eldora or Lernerville. I'll give you a little clue, it won't ever be either. It is a racey little bull ring that draws local teams, drivers and fans. Could they do better? Sure. Could they turn it into a Lernerville? Maybe but not before a huge investment and risk. Bottom line is that there is not a lot of population and $ in the region. I doubt that weekly high dollar classes would suceed on a weekly basis. I do think they would do well with occasional specials similar to what AMP is trying to do. As far as the micros go, if you get enough and they put on some wheel to wheel racing like they are capable of, they will work. I've seen some pretty good fwd and pure stock races. It is not just about pure speed. Give them credit for at least trying.

[the punisher]

why exactly would it hurt to open the late models up? if you get 5 more cars, you'll be in good shape. Get guys like blose stopping in, or Sammy stiles, there are a bunch of supers around that you don't know about because they've run other tracks.

Careful naming drivers, especially known names or "name brand" drivers like blose or stile or you will get labeled as I did for simply making examples. Sorry I don't consider Denny Fenton or Luke hoffener name brand drivers, they are simply field fillers to me. Guys like blose or stile can win at different tracks and people will go to see them race unlike the normal names at hummingbird.


Yes steel blocks do produce more horsepower than an alumn engine, so thank you for making yourself look stupid just like hummingbird is setting up to do with running the fluff classes and to think most of you are supporting this future failure of your track. you guys do not make sense.