Race tracks are just like gas stations. No they're not. Race tracks are just like fast food restaurants. No they're not. Race tracks are just like motels. No they're not. Don't tell that to Bubba Clem. Race tracks are just like other race tracks. But they ARE NOT LIKE gas stations, fast food restaurants nor motels.Race tracks are just like gas stations, fast food joints, motels and a lot of other businesses!! They get overbuilt and then no one makes the profit
they used to. Then the weaker ones begin to close!! Such is just a fact of most any business in this world, and I doubt it will ever change!! Here
in Butler they are building three new hotels/motels. And that is in addition to four national chain motels already here. No way they are ever going
to fill them up on a regular basis in a town the size of Butler! Some will end up closing!!
Walt
Dog Hollow Speedway to Howl again in 2014
#81
Posted 08 February 2014 - 03:18 PM
#82
Posted 08 February 2014 - 08:31 PM
Edited by ryanezek36, 08 February 2014 - 08:32 PM.
#83
Posted 08 February 2014 - 08:34 PM
The payouts will differ depending on the class. We did post the street stock payouts.what is the payout going to be for the alternating classes
#84
Posted 08 February 2014 - 08:39 PM
You are partially correct. In addition to the existence of too many tracks in the western part of Pa., there are way too many disparate divisions. Back in the 70's, you had a Claimer division, (today's Strictly Stocks), Semi-Lates (today's 358 LM's), LM's (today's Supers, obviously), Sprints and Modifieds/Coupes. There was a Six-Cylinder division at Mercer, and a Mini-Stock/4-Cylinder class at one time or another at both Mercer and Pittsburgh. That was about it for divisions, off the top of my head. Now we have all of this crap, including Crate everything they can put a Crate motor in, and there isn't enough sponsorship money or fan interest to service all of these classes and tracks. Divisions, mostly support classes, need to be eliminated along with some tracks before we ever see full weekly fields on a consistent basis again.
Look out east. Yes, there are a couple of tracks that run five classes, but most are four or less. Williams Grove runs 410 and 358 Sprints on Fridays, 358 LM's, Super Sportsman Sprints and Street Stocks on Saturdays. In addition to the beautiful 4/10 clay of Susquehanna, they have a small oval called The Outback Track that they use for Kart and Micro racing. In the eastern part of the state, there are fewer "big car" tracks. There are many 1/5 mile and under tracks for Karting, Legends/Mod-Lite, 4-Cylinder and and Micro Sprint shows. In other words, not many support classes that too many drivers make a career of racing in, unlike around here. Consider also that the economy isn't any different out there than it is here, so it can't be used as a valid excuse, in comparison.
From Clinton County Speedway west to the Ohio line, from the W.V./Maryland border to NY in the north, I count 15 dirt tracks a 1/4 mile or larger featuring classes bigger than 4-Cylinders. In other words, no Blanket Hills or Karting tracks. The list does include two tracks, the former Tri-City and DHS which may or may not reopen. The list also does not include, TVR, Allegheny Mountain Speedway, Latrobe, Challenger, TMR or Hesston. No asphalt, either, i.e.; Lake Erie, Motordrome, CNB Bank or Jennerstown. The 15 currently open or about to be (maybe) re-opened: Racing for Heroes Raceway(Formerly Clinton County Raceway), America's Motorsport's Park (formerly Gambler's and Hidden Valley), McKean County Raceway, Bedford Speedway, Roaring Knob, Bradford Speedway, Allegheny Motor Speedway (formerly Tri-City Speedway), Eriez Speedway, Sportsman's Speedway, Hummingbird Speedway, Marion Center Speedway, Lernerville Speedway, Mercer Raceway Park, Dog Hollow Speedway and, Pittsburgh's Pennsylvania Motor Speedway.
It is mind boggling when you look at how many there are. I think two we can safely and sadly say are closed forever, and that is Challenger and Latrobe. But, there are still possibly four in AMS, TVR, TMS and Hesston that would need little attention to reopen. I didn't even add the effort to try and reopen long closed Ebensburg Speedway into the mix. Or, for that matter, Hickory or Windber Stadium. No matter what way you look at it, the eastern half is kicking our asses in overall quality of racing offered, there isn't any question. Look up some races from the Port, or Grandview, the Grove or Big Diamond on YouTube, and you'll see what I mean. Around here, we are happy if there are five or eight cars that have a chance to win a headline division show on a regular night. Out there, there are 15 to 18 cars most nights that can win, and the racing reflects that. More money = better drivers with better equipment, less cautions and better racing. It isn't rocket science.
I'm not as familiar, so I might have missed one or to, but in the eastern half of Pa., I count 8 dirt tracks using the same parameters as I listed in the western half. Those tracks are Port Royal, Susquehanna, Williams Grove, Selinsgrove, Lincoln, Grandview, Penn-Can and Big Diamond. Six of these tracks I know pay major money to their weekly headline class. In fact, I read where this season Big Diamond will pay their 358 Mods $3200 to win, $275 to start for fields of 33 or more cars. They are offering similar incentives for their support classes as well. I've never cared for a pay scale based on car count, but when you are already paying an excellent purse, I think you can get away with it.
There may be three or four 1/4 mile tracks scattered throughout the state that don't race anything more exotic than 4-Cylinder Stocks, so I didn't count those, for example, Hill Valley, Path Valley, Linda's, etc.
So, there you have it. Proof positive that paying more money can and does work as it relates to attracting big fields of cars and fans.
Skull thank you for your facts. Very informative!
#85
Posted 08 February 2014 - 08:42 PM
Was there any clay put on the track? I was in attendance at the last race at DH, it was so dusty that the cars couldn't be seen on the track. No amount of water or track prep is going to fix this, the only solution is new clay. I'm not bashing the track, just a legitimate question.
Yes, we will be placing a very good quality clay on the track.
#86
Posted 08 February 2014 - 08:46 PM
Knowing the fact that Hesston is up for sale/lease, I interpreted the post to mean that Hesston was considered an option for the group looking to open a speedway, and Hesston wasn't chosen. Others read more into it, and came to a different conclusion.
Would I have announced the opening in that manner? No. But, at the same time I didn't interpret it as a personal attack against anyone.
Yes, It was never meant to be a personal attack, and it is as you say.
The person who twisted it to make it sound otherwise, you are the one who should be ashamed. Agreed we could have announced it in a less controvercial way, but we didn't and I apologize for offending people.
#87
Posted 08 February 2014 - 08:48 PM
Was there any clay put on the track? I was in attendance at the last race at DH, it was so dusty that the cars couldn't be seen on the track. No amount of water or track prep is going to fix this, the only solution is new clay. I'm not bashing the track, just a legitimate question.
Yes we are putting new clay on the track.
#88
Posted 08 February 2014 - 08:51 PM
I fully understand pancreatic cancer. I saw nothing that said they beat anyone down. I saw it as a way to let people know what tracks were under consideration and what track was chosen. Not how I would have done it, but I understood the intent.
Yes Tiny Tim, yes, Legend is really trying to blow up a situation that simply is not factual or true.
#89
Posted 08 February 2014 - 11:06 PM
I'm sorry having an IQ over 150 I tend to look into when retards talk ... Words have meaning ... Why would I be ashamed ??? I have this thing called respect for those who deserve It .... Your not one of them ...Yes, It was never meant to be a personal attack, and it is as you say.
The person who twisted it to make it sound otherwise, you are the one who should be ashamed. Agreed we could have announced it in a less controvercial way, but we didn't and I apologize for offending people.
#90
Posted 09 February 2014 - 06:19 AM
Well legend...having an IQ of 138 Not quite as good as yours.....I don't get it! I didn't see that post as an attack on Dave Eriksen! I thought it was kind of corny and childish....but not a personal insult to Dave! I guess the real issiue is....Did it offend Dave????? If it didn't.....whats the fuss? He is the guy that matters here! Not our opinions!I'm sorry having an IQ over 150 I tend to look into when retards talk ... Words have meaning ... Why would I be ashamed ??? I have this thing called respect for those who deserve It .... Your not one of them ...
#91
Posted 09 February 2014 - 08:48 AM
There has been several good points about tracks versus car counts, east versus west, and even hotels and smode booths. I think we need to look at the owners/promoters. For example, Hagerstown has several major events each year. Lucas, WoO, Three State, Octoberfest, etc... They make the most money on a non-racing event. Every year their Monster Truck event made by far more money than any of their racing events.
A race track is for entertainment, hence track owners are in the entertainment business, and need to start thinking outside the box. You don't have to run a weekly show and worry how many cars and fans are going to show up. Run sanctioned classes (eliminate your own rule book), have a topless night (roofs off for all you pervs), something to keep it fresh and keep the fans interest. Have a concert or two each year, you all are picking up what I'm laying down.
OWNERS/PROMOTERS: You have acreage with facilities, You don't have to try to race every night and just get by, or eventually close the doors. Work with other tracks where you your schedules will work together so racers have a place to run or want to take that weekend off to go to your Country kickin Ho-down. You're in the entertainment business to make money.
That's my two cents on race tracks.
Very good post. You have an entertainment venue, use it for more than just racing as a means to generate revenue.
#92
Posted 09 February 2014 - 09:23 AM
Yep ... Lots of guys quit racing your absolutely right .... Thinking big sponsors are coming for tracks and teams is a complete pipe dream. Big sponsors are doing it because they are competitive people and they want to stand in victory lane not for a return on their investment ... Think about it what type of business could advertise on a car or at a local track and expect to even break even on that ??? And the answer is none unless they don't spend very much
I completely agree with the reason you present as to why good sponsors get into local short track racing. Those that spend to win do so for a the love of the game and because it feeds their competitive desire, not for the advertising return. Those are the kind of people the tracks out east attract. It doesn't happen very often around here because the one variable that drives great competition, money, isn't available. That's mostly why guys like Holtgraver and Satterlee hit the road. The money and the competition aren't here at most tracks on a weekly basis.
#93
Posted 09 February 2014 - 11:13 AM
Very good post. You have an entertainment venue, use it for more than just racing as a means to generate revenue.
I think a lot of racing promoters should take in a season of minor league baseball before they get into the racing business. Minor league teams are great at coming up with silly, inexpensive promotions that help draw fans. Not to mention they also do great job at getting kids involved, making it a family friendly activity. A lot parallels can be drawn between the two entities.
#94
Posted 11 February 2014 - 09:33 AM
#95
Posted 12 February 2014 - 01:02 PM
Good intentions, bad judgement/timing. The boxing analogy seemed to signify the beating of those mentioned and people clearly took offense. A qualified PR person is money well spent.Is it tragic that dave is sick..yes, but the guy that posts this original post on here is excited about reopening up one of the best tracks around, and the first thing you people do is take a huge dump on him. You all should be the ones apologizing to this man for taking a huge announcement meant to be a good thing, and turning it around into something completely negative.
#96
Posted 12 February 2014 - 01:40 PM
And the toss off is still arguing he didnt say anything offensive !!! And in typical liberal fashion he attempts to turn it around and blame me for what he said lolGood intentions, bad judgement/timing. The boxing analogy seemed to signify the beating of those mentioned and people clearly took offense. A qualified PR person is money well spent.
#97
Posted 14 February 2014 - 12:39 AM
And the toss off is still arguing he didnt say anything offensive !!! And in typical liberal fashion he attempts to turn it around and blame me for what he said lol
I have no dog in the fight frankly. As a racing fan, and have been to Hesston a couple times I still have Erickson in my prayers. I think we all do. also....I have NEVER agreed with
The Legend, ....and it almost hurts to say, but I agree. I sure sounded to me in the statement that you posted of the opening of the track that you guys forced him out. When, lets be honest,
is not true. His illness is one of a terrible burden and I was surprised he held that track open for as long as he did. and what you said was Disgraceful to all Fans, Drivers, and Tracks. As much
as all these tracks, fans and drivers disagree, we all get together as a family when someone is ill, etc. etc. I will not be attending dog hollow this season, nor for many more.
With that being said, REALLY Legend....a LIBERAL statement after all this? hahaha you cant resist can you? HAHA
#98
Posted 14 February 2014 - 06:26 AM
I am glad that the track has re-opened.I have no dog in the fight frankly. As a racing fan, and have been to Hesston a couple times I still have Erickson in my prayers. I think we all do. also....I have NEVER agreed with
The Legend, ....and it almost hurts to say, but I agree. I sure sounded to me in the statement that you posted of the opening of the track that you guys forced him out. When, lets be honest,
is not true. His illness is one of a terrible burden and I was surprised he held that track open for as long as he did. and what you said was Disgraceful to all Fans, Drivers, and Tracks. As much
as all these tracks, fans and drivers disagree, we all get together as a family when someone is ill, etc. etc. I will not be attending dog hollow this season, nor for many more.
With that being said, REALLY Legend....a LIBERAL statement after all this? hahaha you cant resist can you? HAHA
#99
Posted 14 February 2014 - 09:25 AM
and driving off fans and/or racers due to "miscommunication" or "bad judgement" is money well lost??Good intentions, bad judgement/timing. The boxing analogy seemed to signify the beating of those mentioned and people clearly took offense. A qualified PR person is money well spent.
#100
Posted 14 February 2014 - 10:14 AM
the concept of this was a great idea, yes. But the way it came of was all wrong. Anyone can argue it and blah blah blah. But it won't change the way a lot of people read it.Good intentions, bad judgement/timing. The boxing analogy seemed to signify the beating of those mentioned and people clearly took offense. A qualified PR person is money well spent.
I imagine what was meant was that there were other tracks for sale, or lease, and These guys chose dog hollow over them. Why? well that is beyond me. But none the less it was chosen over the rest.
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