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[blue by you]

No, of course not. But I'm tired of hearing what racetracks, sanctioning organizations or promoters are doing
to save racers money, when what they are really doing is using those reasons as vehicles to line their pockets.

What Emig is doing is more insidious because she is pushing a relatively new concept in racing in the hope
that if successful, it could make her good money without the risks of actually owning anything other than a
name. The risk is still shouldered primarily by the racers and to a lesser extent, the race track owners/promoters.

Aside from all of that, what's in it for the fans? Nothing. I mean, who pays to watch this shit other than maybe 10 percent of the front gate, i.e., the neighbors, family and friends of RUSH racers? Advacing racing? No, it's the mortgaging of the future of the sport for the short term profit primarily of one person, Vikki Emig. Some people in this region better wake up and ask themselves if this is really an organization they want to be affiliated with because I think it's nothing but a cancer for local racing.

can't agree more. your spot on.

[714d]

So, is this any different than NASCAR and others have done for decades???
 
Walt

It's exactly like nascar. That is the problem. Look what the France family has done to that series. And not just recently. It's been corrupt since its inception.

[Walt Wimer]

If you think about it, what large and successful company isn't in today's world???

 

Walt

[714d]

The big, successful, (but corrupt) ones usually get real big just before they come toppling down. The companies that keep people as a priority are usually way more successful in the long run, but don't ever get the attention or huge profits in the short term. There are always exceptions though. I'm not financially involved either way, so whatever happens, I hope it is a positive for area racing. I want to be able to enjoy it for a few more years.

[94.3-RADRACER]

I don't get to watch the other rush divisions, and think the modifieds should have been 604's, to get more speed myself.  but the crate lates put on a show wherever they go. great group of very talented drivers. probably the two best races I've seen were the two races at lernerville. right in skulls back yard. 58 cars for 2000 bucks. don't sound bad to any race fan. and the racing, better than any firecracker to date....

[BaconBits]

I don't get to watch the other rush divisions, and think the modifieds should have been 604's, to get more speed myself.  but the crate lates put on a show wherever they go. great group of very talented drivers. probably the two best races I've seen were the two races at lernerville. right in skulls back yard. 58 cars for 2000 bucks. don't sound bad to any race fan. and the racing, better than any firecracker to date....

Nobody cares. You're still a bandwagon jumper with grand delusions.

[Skull]

Nobody cares. You're still a bandwagon jumper with grand delusions.

Thank you.

[94.3-RADRACER]

somebody does, or we wouldn't be there........

[Skull]

somebody does, or we wouldn't be there........

Yeah, probably the same people that care about mini LM's and 4-cylinders.

[dano47]

The people that support crate racing must have deep pockets. If you're running a weekly division for points and have a simple problem like a spun bearing, what do you do? Having an extra engine seems to make crate racing cost prohibitive for most racers. It gives the teams with deep pockets a huge advantage.

[jo73]

Skull, you do make some good points. But, the people of rush have a lot of cash backing them. This is what is making promoters like those at lernerville bend over. The money Sweeney is making from all these crate motors is huge. I'd love to hear the deals going on in closed room meetings. You bet there all lining there pockets. Remember, THIS IS A BUSINESS. There goal, as any business person, is to make money. I think a lot of people do forget that. My complaint is that they are pushing this crate shit as affordable racing. THAT'S A BLAINTANT LIE. I don't give a shit what anyone says. You the racer can't touch these motors. You the racer have to take that piece of crate crap to the official engine rebuilds to get any work done. Guy's are going to have 2 motors sitting there, at least. And know. FUEL. what a frigging joke. Tires is going to be next, where you have to run rush stamped tires on all 4 corners. I think the late models already do. I'm talking the rush sportsman, emods, and mods. I don't think people have seen the last of this rush TAKE OVER yet. They keep lining pockets that play by there rules. Promoters, engine rebuilders, sweeney, fuel supplier. RUSH does keep growing, they are getting bigger and more powerful year by year. They have minimal staff. They pay SHIT on a weekly purse. It may be cheaper to run a late model. The drive line is where costs seperate a SLM from a crate car. That is what crates where made for, so guys can run a late model on a reasonable budget. CRATES, RUSH, AND THERE STUPID FRIGGING RULES do not belong in sportsman and modified classes. Remember those in business that grow to fast sometimes come crashing down.

[FanJim24]

Skull, you do make some good points. But, the people of rush have a lot of cash backing them. This is what is making promoters like those at lernerville bend over. The money Sweeney is making from all these crate motors is huge. I'd love to hear the deals going on in closed room meetings. You bet there all lining there pockets. Remember, THIS IS A BUSINESS. There goal, as any business person, is to make money. I think a lot of people do forget that. My complaint is that they are pushing this crate shit as affordable racing. THAT'S A BLAINTANT LIE. I don't give a shit what anyone says. You the racer can't touch these motors. You the racer have to take that piece of crate crap to the official engine rebuilds to get any work done. Guy's are going to have 2 motors sitting there, at least. And know. FUEL. what a frigging joke. Tires is going to be next, where you have to run rush stamped tires on all 4 corners. I think the late models already do. I'm talking the rush sportsman, emods, and mods. I don't think people have seen the last of this rush TAKE OVER yet. They keep lining pockets that play by there rules. Promoters, engine rebuilders, sweeney, fuel supplier. RUSH does keep growing, they are getting bigger and more powerful year by year. They have minimal staff. They pay SHIT on a weekly purse. It may be cheaper to run a late model. The drive line is where costs seperate a SLM from a crate car. That is what crates where made for, so guys can run a late model on a reasonable budget. CRATES, RUSH, AND THERE STUPID FRIGGING RULES do not belong in sportsman and modified classes. Remember those in business that grow to fast sometimes come crashing down.

I agree.  If the drivers and fans are disenfranchised, what eyeballs are the sponsors paying for?  Yeah, nobody.  How long will that work?  Apparently just long enough for Vicky and Gary to get their big payday on the way to retirement, leaving the fans, car owners, and track owners staring at the rubble, and wondering what happened.  

I like the concept of a drivers' division, like the Rush mods should be, but this overtaking everything seems like a disaster.  I like fresh mint too, but I've always been careful to contain it when I've planted it, lest it get away from me and become a weed.  

 

The reason I choose to go to Lernerville when I have time/money is because it's a safe bet that their will be at least one good race, and that has usually been the sportsman class.  If all the cars have to run high to keep the rpms up, no one has the low end to drive off the bottom, and everyone is the same groove, where is the racing going to happen?  I'm not exactly a big fan of front bumper joe and that type of dirty racing.  

Edited by FanJim24, 18 December 2015 - 12:40 PM.

[94.3-RADRACER]

then I guess you didn't see the rush races then. 3 and 4wide for the lead, passing anywhere you want.as for the engines you complain about, I've hurt one motor in 7 years racing. and that was because we hit a car in front of us, and broke the radiator. they are made to turn 5900 rpm's, and we run them 7000 chip every night. until you have done it night in and out, keep your mouth shut.... you know nothing really......

[94.3-RADRACER]

and for you stocker guys at lernerville, I feel for ya. it is wrong to mandate a class that is working. we chose to join a crate class, you are forced, big difference.. just don't go on a motor rant, that you know jack shit about. if you do have a problem, most builders around here will do everything they can to get you to the next race. but ya gotta have a problem first, which is very,very rare....

[jo73]

94.3. You said it. You made the choice to run a crate LM. Good for you. Sportmans, Street stock, whatever you want to call them. These are racers that no how to build there own shit. These are guys that buy used tires, wheels, and a good majority of there racing equipment. These guys are the backbone of grass roots racing. You and most others in your class go to the web, precision in sarver and whatever other sites on the net and BUY YOUR PARTS. anybody can do that. You say most of these motor builder's will get you back on track. He'll ya. At a cost. I wonder if some understand that they make hand cleaners to get grease off your hands. Hell, we no how to bolt all those fancy parts we just bought on. Do we no what to do with them. HE'LL NO. I AM GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN. I think the crate LM put on a very good show. People saw the profit from the division, and know they want to take over all racing. You can't tell me that racing a crate is even close to being a profitable deal. Yea I know very few make money. That's not my point, the point is somebody is profiting a great deal from crate racing. And know FUEL. IF your ok with buying there fuel, I have a piece of property under the Ohio river I'd like to sell. I don't no this. But, since people have to buy rush fuel. IS THE WEEKLY PURSE INCREASING ? If not, we'll I'll let you figure it out.

[DavyLee2]

You people have to realize .. the second biggest promoter of crates for lower divisions behind the Crate salesman is the Crate user.  They can turn and sell their 5200 dollar 3 year old engine to guys forced to run them  begging for it at 3000!  ya its cheap for a latemodel racer to go buy a crate and race ( the motors do hold up a long time in racing terms )  but its still not cheaper than a guy who builds his own and fits into a weight bracket based on power .. So get prepared because the Crate salesman and the Crate class has a big smile when they say someone with Less money has to run them too " to save ( who ? ) money "

[DavyLee2]

ps .. The argument makes allot of sense if you are talking to someone who has to buy a $50,000 motor to compete. But will never benefir the Sportsman division .. its just a place to sell used crates now.

[94.3-RADRACER]

and as I said, I feel bad for those guys. and you said rush taking over fuel.........I'd say yes......it will be easier they said.  how much easier than us going to sheetzs and getting 10 gallons for the night.  we have always run pump gas every year.  now we gotta run 91 pump gas, that isn't sold at the pump, but out of a rush barrel.............that we gotta travel and get.......it isn't all bell's and roses guys......

[FanJim24]

94.3 I think we mostly agree.  Crates are a great alternate for the big $ divisions.  It's the turning an established and very competitive division into nothing but a cash cow for Rush and their partners at the expensive of the drivers and fans that bothers me.  

 

Gary's started "fixing" a bunch of stuff that aint broke for the last few years, just for the sake of kickbacks and monkeying with things.  Nothing good comes of that.  

Edited by FanJim24, 19 December 2015 - 10:14 AM.

[94.3-RADRACER]

I will say, rush does a lot for us racers, with manufactures night, weekly points title, touring points title, summer chase.....ect. you don't have to travel to get good point money back, so they do reward you for racing more.  it's just, they aren't trying to make it cheaper in the right areas imo. we all have our shocks, so don't make a rule about shocks. tires, and pump fuel need addressed....