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[The Legend]

Even better ... I'll prob run more races there now

[racer67x]

Late models run 10's in the heats ... Those street radials will look brand new after a season

they don't wear..they come apart after awhile in chunks.

race tires are much better and Lernerville has always allowed them.

[jo73]

Here's the thing. If you as a racer want to pull up to the pumps at Sheetz and fill your jugs and fuel cell with pump gas you should be allowed. It could be easy. Limit the octane rating. Then you want to run VP or RUSH fuel. Go for it. But why, why is the racer being forced to buy something he can't afford ? It,s the same thing about tires/wheels. Make em run 8" then you'll see. Because they are not as plentiful as 10" Do you understand the added cost in 8" per corner. These rule books get larger every year when they should be working toward a set of unified rules. It will be interesting this spring. Very interesting.

[Crusty1]

[quote name="jo73" post="417750" timestamp="1451604649"]Here's the thing. If you as a racer want to pull up to the pumps at Sheetz and fill your jugs and fuel cell with pump gas you should be allowed. It could be easy. Limit the octane rating. Then you want to run VP or RUSH fuel. Go for it. But why, why is the racer being forced to buy something he can't afford ? It,s the same thing about tires/wheels. Make em run 8" then you'll see. Because they are not as plentiful as 10" Do you understand the added cost in 8" per corner. These rule books get larger every year when they should be working toward a set of unified rules. It will be interesting this spring. Very interesting.[/quote

The Rush Sunoco fuel has a tracer in it so teching the fuel is easy.
Not that any racer would ever cheat.

Again at Lernerville the Sportsman can run pump gas or VP, it's only the Rush LM & mods that need to run the Sunoco Rush fuel.

The Sportsman at LV can run pump gas and run used LM's from the SLM teams.

Racing is not cheap if you can't afford the fuel and tires how can you afford a new $15,000.00 - $20,000.00 Chassis ?
If you want cheap racing go run track and field, no motorized racing is cheap.
You have beat up on LV and Gary for months now, let's compare apples to apples.
A new 604 $6,000.00 A new 358 $15,000.00.
It sounds to me LV with pump gas, used tires and a 604 will save the racer money.

[DegenerationX]

 But why, why is the racer being forced to buy something he can't afford ? 

 

Can we stop with the pity party for these guys?  Can't afford it?  Please!  Until they stop rolling in with $50,000+ pickup trucks, enclosed trailers and brand new chassis, expect no pity for the engines, tires, fuel, etc. rules.  And that's just the local RUSH classes.  They race for a few hundred dollars a night and many of them have well over $100K in their operations.  If $6,000 crate engines, $120 tires or the price of racing fuel is what breaks them, maybe they're in the wrong hobby.  I'm lucky/happy to scrape up $20 for admission, fish sandwich and a jug of tea and you want us to feel bad for these guys who have more in their weekend toys than I have in my house, you're barking up the wrong tree Jack!

 

The guys I feel for are the Mark Sanders and Bob Lipinskis of the world that roll in on open trailers and build and work on their own stuff.  Those guys I feel for because they're being priced and mandated out of the sport, but most of these guys are either spoiled rich kids or burying themselves in debt; again, expect no pity and consider another hobby!

[Crusty1]

Can we stop with the pity party for these guys?  Can't afford it?  Please!  Until they stop rolling in with $50,000+ pickup trucks, enclosed trailers and brand new chassis, expect no pity for the engines, tires, fuel, etc. rules.  And that's just the local RUSH classes.  They race for a few hundred dollars a night and many of them have well over $100K in their operations.  If $6,000 crate engines, $120 tires or the price of racing fuel is what breaks them, maybe they're in the wrong hobby.  I'm lucky/happy to scrape up $20 for admission, fish sandwich and a jug of tea and you want us to feel bad for these guys who have more in their weekend toys than I have in my house, you're barking up the wrong tree Jack!
 
The guys I feel for are the Mark Sanders and Bob Lipinskis of the world that roll in on open trailers and build and work on their own stuff.  Those guys I feel for because they're being priced and mandated out of the sport, but most of these guys are either spoiled rich kids or burying themselves in debt; again, expect no pity and consider another hobby!

X - you hit the nail on the head, I do feel for Sanders and Lapinsky and others that build motors.
That's part of the fun of racing, building your own stuff and winning! That's gone.

I build motors and for most car owners the 602 / 604 is the cheaper avenue.

[jo73]

Your right. I've been bitching since they made there decision to screw there most loyal class. I came within a busy signal on a phone call from spending a boat load of cash only to find out the motor was outlawed. I only bitch when the racer who by the way is what all those folks in the stands buy there ticket for is getting the banana. I guess it's what older guys do. Bitch. I said long ago that I hope the penn ohio series grows. Well they just added another good paying race and hopefully will be drawing in a large field of cars. I hope they add more. I hope all these lernerville regulars see this as a option to buying a new 604. ALL RULES are not a bad thing. But, when desicions are made that blatantly do not take the current roster of racers into that process. It makes no sense. I have also said on here that the crate LM put on a dam good show. The class has grown probably every year. I, for one, thing that's where it should stop. The issue is someone know see's the profitability from using crate racing as the answer to all. Is it ? Maybe shatz and bloomquist should try it if it's so much cheaper. To say a 604 cost 6000.00 compared to 15K for a home built motor only shows your ignorance to what's going on in the big boy world. Here's a question ? What will the car count # be on opening Friday night ? So if 12 show up. What will that be considered ? There numbers in 2015 were in the 20 range, week in, week out. 12, FAILURE...

[Crusty1]

Jo73 Maybe shatz and bloomquist should try it if it's so much cheaper. To say a 604 cost 6000.00 compared to 15K for a home built motor only shows your ignorance to what's going on in the big boy world. Here's a question ? What will the car count # be on opening Friday night ? So if 12 show up. What will that be considered ? There numbers in 2015 were in the 20 range, week in, week out. 12, FAILURE...[/quote]

Like I said before compare Apples to Apples.
How can you compare Shatz and Bloomquest to this conversation?
You're just flat out ingnorent. Apples to Apples new 604 to new 358 read what I posted before you make stupid post.

Edited by Crusty1, 01 January 2016 - 08:37 PM.

[fastforward1]

You sure seem to be defending the place, the policies, and the general manager Crust-E

[Crusty1]

You sure seem to be defending the place, the policies, and the general manager Crust-E

I'm not defending the place at all read my post going back to the start of this.
The rule change with the Sportsman is over move on,

The post from Jo are getting old and he needs to read the post not just type about what he thinks he reads.

By the way I won't be at LV much this year I built a motor for a Drag racing buddy and I'm going drags.
I'll be at the Firecracker and WoO shows.
I don't support the rule change but I think the way racing is going this we help in the long run.

[bhhracing]

He has big plans on making in it in nashville.

Edited by bhhracing, 02 January 2016 - 02:29 PM.

[Skull]

[quote name="jo73" post="417750" timestamp="1451604649"]Here's the thing. If you as a racer want to pull up to the pumps at Sheetz and fill your jugs and fuel cell with pump gas you should be allowed. It could be easy. Limit the octane rating. Then you want to run VP or RUSH fuel. Go for it. But why, why is the racer being forced to buy something he can't afford ? It,s the same thing about tires/wheels. Make em run 8" then you'll see. Because they are not as plentiful as 10" Do you understand the added cost in 8" per corner. These rule books get larger every year when they should be working toward a set of unified rules. It will be interesting this spring. Very interesting.[/quote

The Rush Sunoco fuel has a tracer in it so teching the fuel is easy.
Not that any racer would ever cheat.

Again at Lernerville the Sportsman can run pump gas or VP, it's only the Rush LM & mods that need to run the Sunoco Rush fuel.

The Sportsman at LV can run pump gas and run used LM's from the SLM teams.

Racing is not cheap if you can't afford the fuel and tires how can you afford a new $15,000.00 - $20,000.00 Chassis ?
If you want cheap racing go run track and field, no motorized racing is cheap.
You have beat up on LV and Gary for months now, let's compare apples to apples.
A new 604 $6,000.00 A new 358 $15,000.00.
It sounds to me LV with pump gas, used tires and a 604 will save the racer money.

 

I think you're talking out of both sides of your mouth, and you are basically ignorant of what some of those LV Stock guys have said in this forum.

 

Starting four years or so ago, rule changes were made to allow the crate engines to run with the 358's and 406's......changes that seemed to give the crates a decided edge, especially on a dry/slick track, which is what they usually get come feature time. In fact, There were allegations by, I think, Ryan Moyer that Schneider, who used a 604 that year, was running an illegal car. He won several races, so did McPhereson, and a couple of championships, as well. I think the thought process by Risch, Jr. was that when the crates dominated at times, most of the teams would throw up their hands and buy the crate engines, he'd realize an increase in his Vikki kick backs, and he wouldn't have to be the bad guy. That didn't happen. As of the end of last year, about a quarter of a typical night's starting field had the crate motors, so it was time to act.

 

I'm assuming you've been around racing long enough to know that you can't protect racer's from themselves, Crusty. Most will spend to make up  the competitive difference that hard work and spending wisely would accomplish. These are the guys that are getting rear-ended. There were racers on here, like Scotty Byers that said he'd have to replace his current car so his team could be competitive within the all Crate class because it was too heavy for it to be effective with the new package, and he wasn't alone. Tell me how that is saving the racer's money. Tell me how having to get rid of good equipment is saving the racer's money. Tell me how only having one motor will keep teams showing up every week. Oh damn, we have to buy a back-up, when we had two pretty good 358's to depend on and that we did most of the work on. No one in the region wants the old motors, because most of the other tracks rules allow them to run exotic motors, so we are stuck with them. Some of you people just don't get it.

[Skull]

 

Can we stop with the pity party for these guys?  Can't afford it?  Please!  Until they stop rolling in with $50,000+ pickup trucks, enclosed trailers and brand new chassis, expect no pity for the engines, tires, fuel, etc. rules.  And that's just the local RUSH classes.  They race for a few hundred dollars a night and many of them have well over $100K in their operations.  If $6,000 crate engines, $120 tires or the price of racing fuel is what breaks them, maybe they're in the wrong hobby.  I'm lucky/happy to scrape up $20 for admission, fish sandwich and a jug of tea and you want us to feel bad for these guys who have more in their weekend toys than I have in my house, you're barking up the wrong tree Jack!

 

The guys I feel for are the Mark Sanders and Bob Lipinskis of the world that roll in on open trailers and build and work on their own stuff.  Those guys I feel for because they're being priced and mandated out of the sport, but most of these guys are either spoiled rich kids or burying themselves in debt; again, expect no pity and consider another hobby!

 

While I agree with your overall assessment here, I don't care for the idea of Risch., Jr. getting Lernerville involved with an organization that really has no skin in the game, and whose concept the track doesn't really need to support. She has several sponsors, and they are the ones coughing up the free goodies, not RUSH. If Lernerville goes out of business, it will temporarily hurt her bottom line until she finds another hydrant to piss on. For anyone to think she has Lernerville, it's competitors and fans best interests at heart is incredibly naive.

[jo73]

Hummm. 1/3 of the field last year with 604's. Racing was dam good. All the driver's with some running 358's to 406's. Racing was dam gòod. Some had new cars, some had older cars. Those big motors must have gotten those guys around the track pretty good. Hey, how was the racing last year ? Pretty dam good huh ? Hell let's just upset the whole concept next year.

I've said it so many times. The crate idea is great for the LM guys. Leave it alone for these other guys. There not looking out for the racer. Take rish's side, take whatever side you want. These desicions are costing racers money. Let's say it doesn't work, then what ? O come July we are reversing the bad choice we made and bringing back 2015 rules. If you have 20 cars sitting at that pit gate, people are going to notice.

[Crusty1]

[quote name="Skull" post="417823" timestamp="1451765155"]
I think you're talking out of both sides of your mouth, and you are basically ignorant of what some of those LV Stock guys have said in this forum.


*Skull I respect most of what you post.
I'm not ignorant to whats been posted the last 6 months I stated many times I didn't think they should change the rules but they did lets move on.
 
Come spring we will see if this change will work.

This is why I like Sprints very few rules.

[Skull]

[quote name="Skull" post="417823" timestamp="1451765155"]
I think you're talking out of both sides of your mouth, and you are basically ignorant of what some of those LV Stock guys have said in this forum.


*Skull I respect most of what you post.
I'm not ignorant to whats been posted the last 6 months I stated many times I didn't think they should change the rules but they did lets move on.
 
Come spring we will see if this change will work.

This is why I like Sprints very few rules.

 

Agree with Sprint cars. The only rule changes we see are usually tire rules that have to be put up with everywhere or rules for safety, which are necessary.

[BaconBits]

 
Agree with Sprint cars. The only rule changes we see are usually tire rules that have to be put up with everywhere or rules for safety, which are necessary.

I don't think the tire rule in sprints is a bad thing, considering every major 410 track in the country is on the same tire rule. It can be a bad thing in other divisions, though, because different tracks run different rules.

[FanJim24]

I go for good racing, and most of the time in the last 20 years at Lernerville that's been in the stock/sportsman class.  Yes, I appreciate the skills/testosterone that it takes to drive a sprint car, but too often there are nights that the top 3 classes are all runaways and the top 5 at the checkers is set by lap 5.  So now there is a very real chance that the sportsman top 5 will be set at the pill draw.  Why bother?  

[The Legend]

How will the top 5 be set at pill draw ??? Fast cars will be fast cars no matter what the rules are . Ppms has crate late models and it's a track that can usually take more than 400hp and cars come from the back and win and they have multiple winners ....

[FanJim24]

different track, different class.  If, and I know it remains to be seen, everyone has to run the cushion because the motors don't have the bottom end to drive off the bottom it will be one groove "racing," and that's not racing.  I've lived in the south and hated the racing there, because it was all front bumper passing.  Garbage racing.  

Edited by FanJim24, 04 January 2016 - 12:36 PM.