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[racer111]

Matters not if he pulls off a win for the Woods Brothers or not, they still won't get a charter, and will have to qualify their way into every race they enter, which this year is supposed to be a full schedule.

[dirtstudent2]

It looks to me because of current conditions, there looking at a team/charter as a business opportunity for sale.  The definition of what a team is doesn't matter anymore.  If you want to race a car in the business of NASCAR you either purchase a charter or do it via limited spots provided to get in a race.

 

I appears to now be no different then getting a liquor licence.  There are a limited amount of licences available and to sell liquor you first have to get a licence/charter.  It appears to me without knowing the particulars of it, buy a charter and you get a spot in the race.  It doesn't matter if your team is big or small.  In a few years who knows, charters may come on the market for cheap and at a Wood Brothers price.  There may also be the ability of those with charters to lease one out to the Wood brothers, retaining ownership.  

 

I personally think it was done so existing teams if they like, can unload facilities for other uses separate from their NASCAR affiliation.  I think it came about as a way to help Michael Waltrip, maybe Tony Stewart and others who may be looking to get out of NASCAR racing.  Right now if an existing big team wants out, they either have to sell the whole operation, little by little reduce the size of their operation or go belly up.  Without the charter and a way for those now in it to ease their way out, I think NASCAR see's the possibility in the near future of teams disappearing leading to it's demise.   

[T. Palmer]

I have no problem with the idea of what the charter is to for the owners, but I do not think one owner should be able to have more than 2 charters.

[dirtstudent2]

Without limiting the number of charters, it might be possible one person could end up owning NASCAR by owing all the charters, maybe even leasing them out.  If it would come to charters being sold for cheap, NASCAR then could be purchased for cheap.  Buying a charter/franchise/licence is only a good investment if there is a good customer base.

 

Could local tracks do the same?  Sell a charter to a limited amount of teams and guarantee those with a charter a starting spot.  Nothing would guarantee the feature position, with positioning being handled in a normal fashion, but It could insure fans have a decent field of cars to watch.  I wouldn't mind it if Lernerville or another track sold charters, insuring me as a fan I'd have a good field of cars to watch when I go there.  Thinking about it in that perspective, it's a good idea for me the fan.

[D1RT]

The Woods brothers have been supporting the France family and NASCAR for 60+ years and what Brian done was kick them square in the balls and smile all the way to the bank.

 

Anyone remember how well Tony George and INDY Car made out when they done something like this crap with the owners......

[dirtstudent2]

Would it be worth to a team to purchased an annual $2500 charter each year for a guaranteed one of 15 possible guaranteed starting spots?   Features could still be limited to 20 cars, but if you didn't have a charter you'd only be guaranteed a start if just 20 cars showed.  

[714d]

What track are you not guaranteed a starting spot just by showing up at a weekly show? That would only make sense at a local level if you ran b mains every week.

[racer111]

I'm not sure if the teams that got charters had to pay NASCAR for them or not...I have done a little research trying to find this out, but haven't been able to find it yet...that would be interesting to know...has anyone ran across this information yet?

[The Legend]

What a fuking moron . Ppms gets 15 cars max and stars 24 ... Why the fuk would anyone " buy a charter " local racers have trouble putting gas in the tow vehicle and you want them spending fuking money for absolutely no reason. Very few tracks get " too many cars "

[racer111]

Well as usual Legend you are politically incorrect in speech, but totally correct in your subject...I thought the same thing...rarely are fields filled around here at the local tracks, or probably at any local track, I feel that a decent point fund for the local tracks is all that is necessary to keep the same field of cars every week...AND if the locals would implement the same deal as NASCAR, then you would not be any better than they are...NASCAR implemented because of politics and more importantly money.

 

Again Legend you are correct, local teams struggle just to get a car TO the track, let alone pay charter money.

[Brian44m]

I feel bad for the Wood Brothers. 50 plus years and all they got to show for it was a big ole screw you from nascar.

[racer111]

That's the worse part of the entire deal the Wood Brothers, they have been around since the beginning, and NASCAR couldn't make an exception for them...shameful on NASCAR'S part.

[Tommy]

That's the worse part of the entire deal the Wood Brothers, they have been around since the beginning, and NASCAR couldn't make an exception for them...shameful on NASCAR'S part.

Give it to a part time team instead of a team that attempted every race? Sounds smart

[714d]

They didn't attempt to run the full schedule. That's how they got screwed. They were low on funds so they decided rather than embarrassing themselves by becoming a start and park team, they wanted to run a limited schedule but try to stay competitive. THAT should be rewarded before these start and park jokers

[Cool1]

Crate NASCAR?

[racer111]

NASCAR has exceptions in place for drivers that have circumstances where they can't compete, example Tony Stewart and Kyle Busch...I know it's different but just out of courtesy, history, tradition or whatever you want to call it The Wood Brothers should have been awarded a charter or given one of the charters that MWR would have had...

[Cool1]

Absolutely

[Brian44m]

Agreed racer111, that "exception" should be granted. I just feel bad for them I did not mean to ruffle any feathers.

[714d]

The charters that Waltrip "would have had" we're actually given to them. They were then sold to other teams.

Edit: they were sold to Gibbs and Stewart-Haas. Wood brothers stated that they didn't even pursue them because they knew they couldn't compete with that money.

Edited by 714d, 17 February 2016 - 10:02 AM.

[racer111]

I knew that Waltrip's charters were sold, rumor is around the $10 million mark...don't know how true that is...the Wood brothers are part of the history of NASCAR, and even if Blaney does well, does not mean they will get a charter next year...NASCAR has the right to determine from year to year if a team loses a charter or keeps it...if they feel they are not living up to their potential they have the right to pull that teams charter.