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NASCAR CHARTER TEAMS
Started by racer111, Feb 14 2016 02:38 PM
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#61
Posted 20 February 2016 - 03:41 PM
#62
Posted 20 February 2016 - 06:26 PM
Don't know much about crates, but I "assume" that the crate you buy for Lernerville is legal for other places also? The way I understand crate engines is that they are supposed to make everyone even.
And 714d, you are correct but I wouldn't be surprised if in the future a couple of tracks might try it.
#63
Posted 21 February 2016 - 05:22 PM
What's the difference between a charter, and having to buy a crate to run at Lernerville?
That's what I'm saying about local racing. Lernerville rarely has a night without at least one good race, and all of my favorite races have been at Lernerville. But now, they are moving in a direction of chasing off the real fans in favor of the people who are just there to see the crashes. It works for a little while, but once you drive your core away, it's nearly impossible to sustain your business.
Casual fans are just that casual, and they are just as likely to go to the bar as to the track on any given night. If you think you are trying to keep the gates open on those people you better hope a nice sports bar doesn't open across the street, or a good band play somewhere close on a Friday night. And your loyal fans don't go away easily, so they don't just come back either.
Edited by FanJim24, 21 February 2016 - 05:41 PM.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#64
Posted 21 February 2016 - 05:30 PM
Don't know much about crates, but I "assume" that the crate you buy for Lernerville is legal for other places also? The way I understand crate engines is that they are supposed to make everyone even.
And 714d, you are correct but I wouldn't be surprised if in the future a couple of tracks might try it.
gary loves guys like kelly and flinner, and he lets them do whatever they want, so some people will be more even than others.
How cheap will it be to have to buy not only a new motor, but a whole new car to go with it, because the car you've been running for years is too heavy for the gutless motors? What's the cost of ownership when you can't fix the motor and the few things you can fix you have to buy from a monopoly? What's in the fuel that you have to buy from the people who make more money the more motors that burn up?
Edited by FanJim24, 21 February 2016 - 05:31 PM.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#65
Posted 21 February 2016 - 06:24 PM
If you remember anything about the Bandolitos, they were started down South by Humpy Wheeler, you had to purchase everything from Humpy...how popular did they get and how long did they last? I believe there is still some races around down South for them, but I don't think many.
#66
Posted 23 February 2016 - 11:48 AM
Question 1. Did I hear during the 500 broadcast that the wood brothers 21 will be running the entire season ? ( I do not have my volume up on the tv. Listening to Waltrip, I just can't do it. )
2. If so, why did the 21 not get one of these bullshit charters ?
And before you all start with the Waltrip was one of the greatest. NAAAAA, junior Johnson made Ole slap jaws. His winnings ways where never the same after he and Johnson split up.
2. If so, why did the 21 not get one of these bullshit charters ?
And before you all start with the Waltrip was one of the greatest. NAAAAA, junior Johnson made Ole slap jaws. His winnings ways where never the same after he and Johnson split up.
#67
Posted 23 February 2016 - 12:23 PM
Question 1. Did I hear during the 500 broadcast that the wood brothers 21 will be running the entire season ? ( I do not have my volume up on the tv. Listening to Waltrip, I just can't do it. )
2. If so, why did the 21 not get one of these bullshit charters ?
And before you all start with the Waltrip was one of the greatest. NAAAAA, junior Johnson made Ole slap jaws. His winnings ways where never the same after he and Johnson split up.
That's their plan. If they can make the races. We'll have to see. I actually watched most of the 500 this year, and I haven't watched a nascrap race in a long time.
My dad drove late models in the early 70's at North Hills, Butler, Mercer, Blanket Hill, and occasionally Tri City. We won the last late model track championship at Blanket Hill.
#68
Posted 23 February 2016 - 02:50 PM
I remember often hearing in the race about the 21 being the closest Ford to the front. For that alone I'd think Ford would help them with the cash to get a charter. There must be more then just money involved for them not having a charter. Might even be the team and Ford trying to explain by keeping funds away from NASCAR because they feel the charter thing is Bull Shil. Maybe in the near future NASCAR will offer a bargain basement charter to them. I see the possibility of Ford leaving opening up the door for a Red China commie pinko car to compete.
Your next new car company to buy a charter and race: https://www.google.c...pwWiPVxZ8gSqZM:
#69
Posted 23 February 2016 - 09:36 PM
From what I've read, Wood Bros. didn't even attempt to buy a charter, as they were being sold in the 10 million dollar range from Waltrip Racing. Don't know if it's true or not, just what I read.
And here's a really funny tidbit I just read... there's only 39 cars entered in the next race. Everybody races! Seems like the charters are not worth nearly as much now! At least at this point.
#70
Posted 23 February 2016 - 11:48 PM
Only 39 cars on the Atlanta entry list per Jayeski. Bet a couple more show up as post entries when the word gets out!!
Walt
#71
Posted 24 February 2016 - 06:08 AM
Yea, you would think the low budget teams are loading up to get to Atlanta. It's also going to be really interesting to see the grandstands. I've always thought that Atlanta gets the short end of the stick because everyone heads to Daytona. You would think it would make much more common sense to do there West coast run. I realize that years ago many northerners would stay south and make Atlanta there second stop going home. But, those days are long gone. It's been reported that the reasoning is Mother's day. I don't see where that comes into play. As everyone knows, that is a legal holiday in nascar land. Times change, maybe nascar should too. I am not saying race on Mothers day. I am saying why should Atlanta follow there super bowl of racing.
#72
Posted 24 February 2016 - 09:51 AM
Wood Brothers DID NOT attempt to purchase a charter due to the $10 million projected price tag....
The Waltrip charters were sold to Stewart-Haas and Joe Gibbs...
They are going to run a full schedule this year, however, they will be competing for the four available open spots...
They did not get awarded a charter because they did not attempt to qualify for every race last year, therefore no charter...
The only way that the Wood Brothers can get a charter now is either: buy one from someone willing to sell, OR hope that NASCAR deems a team not up to par, pulls that charter, and someone the Wood Brothers can get that charter...
Either way in my opinion, charters are not a good deal, my biggest problem is that it will eliminate new teams trying to break into the sport..that's my biggest complaint about it.
#73
Posted 24 February 2016 - 10:23 AM
I don't follow NASCAR and watched the race pretty much following Ryan and his efforts. I wholly enjoyed watching his driving and consistency. Until today when I read on another site that Tony's team is going Ford next year I gave no more thoughts to what I posted earlier. Not following NASCAR, all the hype on TV about the Toyota's and not really knowing who was driving what at the end of the race, I was surprised how well the Chevy's and Ford's did with the Toyota's now -8 in manufacturing points. I had not clue as I have no clue on most of what I write on here about Fords and NASCAR. Because of how well he drove at least in my opinion, I'm now looking forward to watching Ryan in the next race.
Someone brought up Atlanta and how it's crowds are down, unless things have changed I think part of why fans might stay away from Atlanta Speedway is because of how hard it is to get out of the place after the race. I was in Atlanta one time for a race and had several offers to join in with tailgating and watching. But after hearing about how hard it was to get in and out of the place, I went and visited with other internet friends at Airport Mini Speedway north of Atlanta. .
#74
Posted 24 February 2016 - 10:39 AM
gary loves guys like kelly and flinner, and he lets them do whatever they want, so some people will be more even than others.
How cheap will it be to have to buy not only a new motor, but a whole new car to go with it, because the car you've been running for years is too heavy for the gutless motors? What's the cost of ownership when you can't fix the motor and the few things you can fix you have to buy from a monopoly? What's in the fuel that you have to buy from the people who make more money the more motors that burn up?
Ever since the announement about the crate only rule came out late last summer, myself and others took up for those guys. How it wasn't fair, and blah, blah, blah. Many of them were on here and Facebook whining about it. Now, my understanding is that a lot of those same guys have bought crate motors and are going to run there anyway. AFAIC, they can all go pound sand out of their asses. Every damn one of them. If they aren't willing to stand up for themselves, then they deserved to get reemed by Risch and Emig.
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#75
Posted 24 February 2016 - 11:32 AM
The year before last I started to most always stay and watch the Stocks, because of the great racing. Last year I stayed almost every time there. I hope the racing still keeps me there weather cold or tired. I really think the reduced weight IS the only thing which makes them competitive. Other tracks will be in the same situation if they give the crate cars weight break. Like it or not weather I'm stupid on it or not, lighter can go faster around an oval then heavier, because of being able to better maintain momentum. I think that's cut and dry physics. I've been to an indoor kart race where the Rookie's were the fastest thing on the track and hp ranged from 5 to 60 hp.
#76
Posted 24 February 2016 - 03:20 PM
Do NASCAR charter teams have to pay a fee each year to NASCAR to keep their charter active?
Aren't current WoO and Allstar join my club provisional's a charter system, except for being able to sell the right to be an insider.
Aren't the right to buy Steelers season tickets a charter system for fans?
It cost some teams near $1000 a night just to pull into Lernerville for a chance at just 20 spots. I don't see where teams who see themselves as having a chance to win the points, could stay away from buying a charter, especially if they sold a limited amount of charters.
#77
Posted 24 February 2016 - 04:28 PM
At Heinz field you buy a SEAT LICENSE. They range in price from 1500 to 3500 per seat. You as a holder can hold that seat license forever. It can be passed on to your siblings. FOREVER. Getting on the waiting list no longer means anything. Chances are virtually impossible for most on that list today. ALL types of sports, stadiums and team owners, are creating a new system that virtually closes the door on individuals trying to enter that very very limited few. There will never be nascar as we no it. Gone is USAC, as far as big car racing. NHRA, can barely get 16 quality cars in any of there pro divisions. Fans, yes the paying public, are disappearing also in every form of motorsports...
#78
Posted 25 February 2016 - 08:00 AM
You can buy Heinz field seat licenses , they are on sale in the post gazette classifieds
#79
Posted 25 February 2016 - 02:19 PM
Only 38 Drivers on this weeks Entry List per Nascar's website.
#80
Posted 25 February 2016 - 03:16 PM
now 39
http://www.jayski.co...ms2016entry.pdf
last year 48
http://www.jayski.co...ms2016entry.pdf
Could teams be no show in protest, possibly with the season ending racing 35 cars or less, if and when those now racing for a position join in?
Edited by dirtstudent2, 25 February 2016 - 03:22 PM.
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